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1. Steven Kurta

   

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   6/25/2012 11:06 PM

   Here. It goes like this..

   
   
   
   
2. Steven Kurta

   

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   6/25/2012 11:06 PM

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3. McCallum David K

   
   6/26/2012 9:06 AM

   Thanks Daniel for enlightening me on the email address for everyone that makes a post on the forum. I can bug some in two places at once.

   
   
   
   
4. James Schmid

   

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   6/27/2012 11:06 AM

   Daniel Baker said: Check out the 2nd law of thermodynamics (Law of Entropy) and tell me how evolution fits in with that.

   
   
   Huh?

   
   
   
   
5. Keith Lamb

   

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   6/27/2012 11:06 AM

   James Schmid said:

   Daniel Baker said: Check out the 2nd law of thermodynamics (Law of Entropy) and tell me how evolution fits in with that.

   
   
   Huh?

   
   
   "Evolution violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics."
   
   This shows more a misconception about thermodynamics than about evolution. The second law of thermodynamics says, "No process is possible in which the sole result is the transfer of energy from a cooler to a hotter body." [Atkins, 1984, The Second Law, pg. 25] Now you may be scratching your head wondering what this has to do with evolution. The confusion arises when the 2nd law is phrased in another equivalent way, "The entropy of a closed system cannot decrease." Entropy is an indication of unusable energy and often (but not always!) corresponds to intuitive notions of disorder or randomness. Creationists thus misinterpret the 2nd law to say that things invariably progress from order to disorder.
   
   However, they neglect the fact that life is not a closed system. The sun provides more than enough energy to drive things. If a mature tomato plant can have more usable energy than the seed it grew from, why should anyone expect that the next generation of tomatoes can't have more usable energy still? Creationists sometimes try to get around this by claiming that the information carried by living things lets them create order. However, not only is life irrelevant to the 2nd law, but order from disorder is common in nonliving systems, too. Snowflakes, sand dunes, tornadoes, stalactites, graded river beds, and lightning are just a few examples of order coming from disorder in nature; none require an intelligent program to achieve that order. In any nontrivial system with lots of energy flowing through it, you are almost certain to find order arising somewhere in the system. If order from disorder is supposed to violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics, why is it ubiquitous in nature?
   
   The thermodynamics argument against evolution displays a misconception about evolution as well as about thermodynamics, since a clear understanding of how evolution works should reveal major flaws in the argument. Evolution says that organisms reproduce with only small changes between generations (after their own kind, so to speak). For example, animals might have appendages which are longer or shorter, thicker or flatter, lighter or darker than their parents. Occasionally, a change might be on the order of having four or six fingers instead of five. Once the differences appear, the theory of evolution calls for differential reproductive success. For example, maybe the animals with longer appendages survive to have more offspring than short-appendaged ones. All of these processes can be observed today. They obviously don't violate any physical laws.
   
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6. Thomas Brown

   

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   6/27/2012 1:06 PM

   Larry Allan said: Robert, near death experience does not prove an afterlife. The term near is the key word. I have no doubt people in a situation where they are near death still at the point of going brain dead or recovering from near brain death still have a functioning brain producing all sorts of endorphins and other neurological chemicals that put them into a dream state. When we sleep each night we might as well be dead other than the fact we remember to various extents that we have dreamed.
   The question of why they report similar "dreams" could be two fold. The chemicals the brain produces may be similar, but more likely it is based on religious beliefs rather strong or just background. Other religions have near death experiences and they report "dreams" that better fit their upbringing of what to expect in death, such as 70 virgins awaiting their arrival.
   Bring back someone who has been dead for a couple of years relating heavenly experience and I shall be more likely to beleive

   
   
   Hey Larry,
   
   Your last sentence reminded me of a story,( in a Book I like to read a lot), about a rich man and poor man named Lazarus. Lazarus would have been happy to eat what fell to the floor at the rich man's table and was covered with sores that the dogs licked. When they both died Lazarus went to a happy place and the rich man went to a very bad place. When the rich man saw Lazarus being comforted in the happy place he asked the comforter if he might send Lazarus down to him with a touch of water, as he was feeling the heat. The comforter told him it was impossible, so the rich man said "can you please send Lazarus back from the dead to warn my five brothers so they can avoid this very bad place." (Heavily, paraphrased by yours truly)
   
   The comforter, named Abraham said "They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them"
   
   "No, father Abraham," he said, "but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent."
   
   "He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.'"
   
   I'm reluctant to quote scripture because my post has been deleted in the past so I'll give no reference and see if that works.
   
   In regard to Richard Dawkins and his atheistic beliefs, I believe Ravi Zacharias has addressed all his arguments quite well in his book "Beyond Opinion". It still revolves around faith in God or faith in man.

   
   
   
   
7. Baker Daniel

   
   6/27/2012 3:06 PM

   Keith Lamb said: The thermodynamics argument against evolution displays a misconception about evolution as well as about thermodynamics, since a clear understanding of how evolution works should reveal major flaws in the argument. Evolution says that organisms reproduce with only small changes between generations (after their own kind, so to speak). For example, animals might have appendages which are longer or shorter, thicker or flatter, lighter or darker than their parents. Occasionally, a change might be on the order of having four or six fingers instead of five. Once the differences appear, the theory of evolution calls for differential reproductive success. For example, maybe the animals with longer appendages survive to have more offspring than short-appendaged ones. All of these processes can be observed today. They obviously don't violate any physical laws.
   
   [size=85">http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-misconceptions.html#thermo[/size">

   
   
   For the text in blue - is this what happened to the "missing link" I dont see any almost humans walking around. If these small changes were better than their predecessor, why did they not persist like their predecessor?
   
   For the text in red - i'd love an example
   
   While we are at it, how about the origin of life itself? Life from non-life..... Thats backward
   Also, where did the plants diverge from the animals?
   
   http://io9.com/5899331/humans-could-hav ... m-dolphins
   Much of this takes more faith to believe than a belief in a divine creator

   
   
   
   
8. Ronald Conard

   

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   6/27/2012 4:06 PM

   It's not getting any better out west. From the fire west of Colorado Springs.

   
   
   
   
9. Wallace Jeffrey V

   
   6/27/2012 4:06 PM

   Keith Lamb said: Cooling....warming...whatever. My main concern is that we (humans) continue to crap where we sleep. Does that make any sense?

   
   
   Yes. If you sleep in your bathroom. I mean as a normal habit, not those rare occasions of waking up in there on a Saturday morning. I have "heard" of that happening, usually when I'm hearing confessions. Did you know that I'm an ordained minstrel? The soothing sound of a hirtenschalmei seems to allow people to open up and really trash their friends. And believe that I'm not recording every word.

   
   
   
   
10. Wahlin Scott B

    
    6/27/2012 4:06 PM

    Ronald Conard, CGCS said: It's not getting any better out west. From the fire west of Colorado Springs.

    
    
    I did not intend to, but I bought a townhouse that is all poured concrete including all walls, stairs, second floor and roof. After three hurricanes, one tornado and pictures like this I think I am going to stay here.

    
    
    
    
11. Keith Lamb

    

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    6/27/2012 5:06 PM

    Daniel Baker said:

    Keith Lamb said: The thermodynamics argument against evolution displays a misconception about evolution as well as about thermodynamics, since a clear understanding of how evolution works should reveal major flaws in the argument. Evolution says that organisms reproduce with only small changes between generations (after their own kind, so to speak). For example, animals might have appendages which are longer or shorter, thicker or flatter, lighter or darker than their parents. Occasionally, a change might be on the order of having four or six fingers instead of five. Once the differences appear, the theory of evolution calls for differential reproductive success. For example, maybe the animals with longer appendages survive to have more offspring than short-appendaged ones. All of these processes can be observed today. They obviously don't violate any physical laws.
    
    [size=85">http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-misconceptions.html#thermo[/size">

    
    
    For the text in blue - is this what happened to the "missing link" I dont see any almost humans walking around.[u">Try WalMart?[/u"> If these small changes were better than their predecessor, why did they not persist like their predecessor?
    
    For the text in red - i'd love an example [u">Mole Crickets compared to other crickets?[/u">
    
    While we are at it, how about the origin of life itself? Life from non-life..... Thats backward
    Also, where did the plants diverge from the animals?
    
    http://io9.com/5899331/humans-could-hav ... m-dolphins
    Much of this takes more faith to believe than a belief in a divine creator

    
    
    
    You're definitely the number one contender for me and Jwall's Thursday talk.

    
    
    
    
12. Wallace Jeffrey V

    
    6/27/2012 6:06 PM

    Keith Lamb said:

    Daniel Baker said:

    Keith Lamb said: The thermodynamics argument against evolution displays a misconception about evolution as well as about thermodynamics, since a clear understanding of how evolution works should reveal major flaws in the argument. Evolution says that organisms reproduce with only small changes between generations (after their own kind, so to speak). For example, animals might have appendages which are longer or shorter, thicker or flatter, lighter or darker than their parents. Occasionally, a change might be on the order of having four or six fingers instead of five. Once the differences appear, the theory of evolution calls for differential reproductive success. For example, maybe the animals with longer appendages survive to have more offspring than short-appendaged ones. All of these processes can be observed today. They obviously don't violate any physical laws.
    
    [size=85">http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-misconceptions.html#thermo[/size">

    
    
    For the text in blue - is this what happened to the "missing link" I dont see any almost humans walking around.[u">Try WalMart?[/u"> If these small changes were better than their predecessor, why did they not persist like their predecessor?
    
    For the text in red - i'd love an example [u">Mole Crickets compared to other crickets?[/u">
    
    While we are at it, how about the origin of life itself? Life from non-life..... Thats backward
    Also, where did the plants diverge from the animals?
    
    http://io9.com/5899331/humans-could-hav ... m-dolphins
    Much of this takes more faith to believe than a belief in a divine creator

    
    
    
    You're definitely the number one contender for me and Jwall's Thursday talk.

    
    
    My proxy vote is on the way.

    
    
    
    
13. Steven Kurta

    

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    6/27/2012 8:06 PM

    Can I get some Leviticus up in here just to keep it real?

    
    
    
    
14. Wallace Jeffrey V

    
    6/27/2012 9:06 PM

    Steven Kurta said: Can I get some Leviticus up in here just to keep it real?

    
    
    "I will let loose among you the beasts of the field, which will bereave you of your children and destroy your cattle and reduce your number so that your roads lie deserted." (Leviticus 26:22)
    
    "For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him." (Leviticus 20:9)
    
    This what you're looking for? I can find more. It's a long book. Sounds like Stephen King wrote it.....

    
    
    
    
15. Ashton Alan W

    
    6/28/2012 10:06 AM

    Jeffrey Wallace, CGCS said:

    Steven Kurta said: Can I get some Leviticus up in here just to keep it real?

    
    
    "I will let loose among you the beasts of the field, which will bereave you of your children and destroy your cattle and reduce your number so that your roads lie deserted." (Leviticus 26:22)
    
    "For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him." (Leviticus 20:9)
    
    This what you're looking for? I can find more. It's a long book. Sounds like Stephen King wrote it.....

    
    
    This is the "Random Picture Thread 2", so...
    
    [img">http://www.vibblespace.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Leviticus2.jpg[/img">

    
    
    
    
16. Baker Daniel

    
    6/28/2012 2:06 PM

    I feel like I have been dragged down to your level and beaten with your ignorance

    
    
    
    
17. Steven Kurta

    

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    6/28/2012 3:06 PM

    [quote">Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might ~ Eccl.
    
    I just noticed that tag, Dan.
    Is that some sort of sick masturbation joke?
    Because I love it if it is.
    Good one.

    
    
    
    
18. Ronald Conard

    

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    6/28/2012 4:06 PM

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19. Steven Kurta

    

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    6/28/2012 7:06 PM

    JEBUS

    
    
    
    
20. Steve Nelson

    

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    6/29/2012 9:06 AM

    Daniel Baker said:

    Keith Lamb said: The thermodynamics argument against evolution displays a misconception about evolution as well as about thermodynamics, since a clear understanding of how evolution works should reveal major flaws in the argument. Evolution says that organisms reproduce with only small changes between generations (after their own kind, so to speak). For example, animals might have appendages which are longer or shorter, thicker or flatter, lighter or darker than their parents. Occasionally, a change might be on the order of having four or six fingers instead of five. Once the differences appear, the theory of evolution calls for differential reproductive success. For example, maybe the animals with longer appendages survive to have more offspring than short-appendaged ones. All of these processes can be observed today. They obviously don't violate any physical laws.
    
    [size=85">http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-misconceptions.html#thermo[/size">

    
    
    For the text in blue - is this what happened to the "missing link" I dont see any almost humans walking around. If these small changes were better than their predecessor, why did they not persist like their predecessor?
    
    For the text in red - i'd love an example
    
    While we are at it, how about the origin of life itself? Life from non-life..... Thats backward
    Also, where did the plants diverge from the animals?
    
    http://io9.com/5899331/humans-could-hav ... m-dolphins
    Much of this takes more faith to believe than a belief in a divine creator

    
    
    Let me explain this to all of you so we can all get back to cutting grass. It's simple. Yes, evolution is a naturally occurring process that has happened since time began. However, evolution cannont explain us- mankinds ability to rationalize, imagine, create etc.
    
    The aliens that visited this planet long ago created us to serve them. They altered the DNA of pre humanoids a few thousand years ago to improve us. Simple. For proof, simply study the ancient Sumerian writings that describe how the star people created the 'Adamu' (first man) to work for them. They describe it in pretty plain language.
    
    That should answer all your questions. Now go back to work.

    
    
    
    
21. Stephen Okula

    

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    6/29/2012 2:06 PM

    The aliens that visited this planet long ago created us to serve them. They altered the DNA of pre humanoids a few thousand years ago to improve us. Simple. For proof, simply study the ancient Sumerian writings that describe how the star people created the 'Adamu' (first man) to work for them. They describe it in pretty plain language.
    
    
    
    Exactly! Thank you! Finally, another rational mind on this website! I was beginning to think I was all alone.
    
    Those aliens came from the distant future, and were actually highly evolved humans, who realized they had to travel back in time to initaite the very process that would lead to their own existence.
    
    It all makes perfect sence, when you think about it.

    
    
    
    
22. Wahlin Scott B

    
    6/29/2012 3:06 PM

    From the infamous GCSAA video guy: (You are not required to watch!)
    
    [youtube">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7EEOMbBIO8[/youtube">

    
    
    
    
23. Larry Allan

    

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    6/30/2012 4:06 AM

    Stephen Okula, CGCS said: The aliens that visited this planet long ago created us to serve them. They altered the DNA of pre humanoids a few thousand years ago to improve us. Simple. For proof, simply study the ancient Sumerian writings that describe how the star people created the 'Adamu' (first man) to work for them. They describe it in pretty plain language.
    
    

    
    
    Exactly! Thank you! Finally, another rational mind on this website! I was beginning to think I was all alone.
    
    Those aliens came from the distant future, and were actually highly evolved humans, who realized they had to travel back in time to initaite the very process that would lead to their own existence.
    
    It all makes perfect sence, when you think about it.
    
    
    The Sumerian writings may explain a lot but they certainly don't explain away the Reptilians and the Greys.Watch George W Bush speaking in slow motion and you will see a reptilian in action. How do we understand the action of the old Queen Mom chowing down on new born babies. We are only just scraping the surface of religion and Evolution. Steve, sorry but I had to correct your spelling of sense before The God of Grammar gets involved
    
    According to British writer David Icke, 5- to 12-foot (1.5–3.7 m) tall, blood-drinking, shape-shifting reptilian humanoids from the Alpha Draconis star system, now hiding in underground bases, are the force behind a worldwide conspiracy against humanity.[7] He contends that most of the world's leaders are related to these reptilians, including George W Bush of the United States, and Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom.[8] Icke's conspiracy theories now have supporters in 47 countries and he frequently gives lectures to crowds of 2,500 or more.[9] American writer Vicki Santillano ranked the notion that "Reptilian humanoids control all of us" as one of the 10 most popular conspiracy theories.

    
    
    
    
24. Wallace Jeffrey V

    
    6/30/2012 11:06 AM

    Gus wrote, and I'm paraphrasing here, "The ancient Sumerians described 'something' in a very plain language."
    
    Gus can read Sumerian? Seriously? Someone needs to call one of those government agencies that use 3 letter abbreviations/acronyms (your homework tonight is to describe the difference between the two) and report him.
    
    Well.....okay, not "report" him, but at least make them aware of his working with the Sumeristinians (sp?) to overthrow Liechtenstein (sp?). And by someone, I mean anyone other than me. Those guys have caller ID.
    
    SteveO, what is "sence", other than a river in Leicestershire, England? Just askin'.....

    
    
    
    
25. Wallace Jeffrey V

    
    6/30/2012 8:06 PM

    May have posted this before, but it's worth a second look. Go full screen and turn up the volume.
    
    http://www.youtube.com/v/EEu42L0ufBY%26 ... ersion%3d3

    
    
    
    
26. Robert Crockett

    

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    7/1/2012 7:07 AM

    Jeffrey Wallace, CGCS said: May have posted this before, but it's worth a second look. Go full screen and turn up the volume.
    
    http://www.youtube.com/v/EEu42L0ufBY%26 ... ersion%3d3

    
    OUTSTANDING!!!

    
    
    
    
27. Steven Kurta

    

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    7/1/2012 12:07 PM

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28. Steve Nelson

    

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    7/2/2012 7:07 AM

    Stephen Okula, CGCS said:
    
    

    
    
    Exactly! Thank you! Finally, another rational mind on this website! I was beginning to think I was all alone.
    
    Those aliens came from the distant future, and were actually highly evolved humans, who realized they had to travel back in time to initaite the very process that would lead to their own existence.
    
    It all makes perfect sence, when you think about it.
    
    
    Steve, I'm glad somebody else gets it. It's time the mother ship beamed us up. There's very little other intelligent life here.
    
    Red- the reptilian thing sounds very interesting. Are they related to the Sleestaks from land of the lost? could they be the other ancient alien race that waged nuclear war with our creators long ago, as described in the ancient Indian texts?
    
    Jeff- they didn't teach ancient Sumerian at your turf school? How do you do your spray calcs without it? I'm kind of surprised actually, since so many others on this board accuse you of being a know it all.

    
    
    
    
29. Wallace Jeffrey V

    
    7/2/2012 1:07 PM

    Steve Nelson, CGCS said:

    Stephen Okula, CGCS said:
    
    Exactly! Thank you! Finally, another rational mind on this website! I was beginning to think I was all alone.
    
    Those aliens came from the distant future, and were actually highly evolved humans, who realized they had to travel back in time to initaite the very process that would lead to their own existence.
    
    It all makes perfect sence, when you think about it.
    
    Steve, I'm glad somebody else gets it. It's time the mother ship beamed us up. There's very little other intelligent life here.
    
    Red- the reptilian thing sounds very interesting. Are they related to the Sleestaks from land of the lost? could they be the other ancient alien race that waged nuclear war with our creators long ago, as described in the ancient Indian texts?
    
    Jeff- they didn't teach ancient Sumerian at your turf school? How do you do your spray calcs without it? I'm kind of surprised actually, since so many others on this board accuse you of being a know it all.

    
    
    Gus,
    
    I learned Sumerian in kindergarten, but that was when I was living with my Inuit aunt in Greenland after being abandoned by my parents at the age of, I believe, one week. Hard to remember what happened 22 years ago. I never knew my real parents, and if anyone does, please tell them to call me.They owe me a boatload of allowance.
    
    Anyway, then the Vikings came and..........well, it's a long story. I was simply surprised that anyone else had lived with Inuits and learned Sumerian. I wasn't serious about turning you in. Okay, I was.
    
    I've never calculated spray rates in my entire life. That's what assistants are for. And other stuff. (Note to self: Prepare for massive volumes of hate mail.)
    
    I am extremely hurt that any member of this forum, that I have always treated as a brother, or a sister (some of the names are hard to figure out), has accused me of being a know it all. "Know it all". What does that mean? Do I know all about "it"? If so, what is "it" that I know everything about?
    
    I was starting to feel bad about ridiculing Steve for his misspelling of "sense", but I just realized that he misspelled "initiate" as well. Should I send him a private email, rather than torture him on an international forum? Nah....he's French. I'm just using him as a metaphorical replacement for that taxi driver in Paris that pretended not to understand my Mandarin. Buddha teaches us not to hate taxi drivers, but he obviously never traveled to France.
    
    And by the way, you should capitalize any letter that begins a sentence. For example, "could they", should be written as "Could they". Just giving you a heads up. Or, as some would think, just being a world-class jerk.
    
    Wow, I just had an epiphany! I'm beginning to understand the hatred now. I'm going to work on that, because I'm sure that consistently obnoxious sarcasm is a curable disease.
    
    Is anyone following my train of thought? Any suggestions? If so, please find my email. Hint: It's under my name on the right side of this page. It looks like an envelope.

    
    
    
    
30. Steve Nelson

    

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    7/3/2012 9:07 AM

    Well, that explains a great deal Jeff. And here I thought Steve Martin's character in "The Jerk" had a rough start in life.
    
    Don't worry about having your assistant do the spray calcs for you. The northern Innuit dialect of ancient Sumerian diverges a great deal from the original. I mean, you could probably order a beer and ask where the bathroom is, but anything more comlplex is probably out of the question. And of course, the curvature of the earth in the northern latitudes would play havoc with your ground speed computations anyway. Well, unless of course in your travels you happened to come across an African Dogon Shaman, then you could use his staff to triangulate your coordinates with Sirius C.... nevermind, just let your assistant do it.