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Are you lads and lasies tired of the BS about Russia??

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  1. Ronald Kirkman
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    40 posts
    12/12/2016 4:12 PM
    Greetings;

    Hope everyone is well for the Holidays. I'm tired about all the fanfare about Russia and Mr. Trump. The CIA and FBI have a little disagreement about this.

    Remember the "Weapons of Mass Destruction?" How many years ago was that and we are still over there. Russia warned the U.S. about the two brothers that were in Boston. I don't think we paid much attention and look at what happened.

    We've been hacked by North Korea, China and other countries but they went into stores like Target etc.

    To all you Democrats and others that don't like Mr. Trump - you lost the race so get over it. How about Mrs. Pelosi being elected to Speaker of the house again! Oh my goodness.

    What say you out there - your thoughts about Russia and hacking so Mr. Trump can win the nominee as Republican President.

    Lets all wish a former superintendent from Arkansas all the best as he just had a Double By-Pass. None other than our old friend Tracy "Peaches" Neeves.

    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA



  2. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    12/12/2016 8:12 PM
    Yes old Peach is doing well after, has to still stay in the hospital for a few more days. We believe it was the prayer chain in our fantasy hockey league that pulled him through.

    As far as the Russians, no because I don't consider it BS. I would think regardless of your party we need to know everything to prevent it from happening again. We need to know that we can trust our election system and our institutions. That is why no one should be afraid of any recounts. So far those that have occurred have shown the process has been correct, there has been no fraud. Showing that despite Mr. Trump's claims, the election process wasn't flawed, and hopefully people will start to have faith in the system again.

    As far as the outcomes, that issue was the fact that people did not get out and vote, so the results stand. We need to be taught our lesson for not performing our civic duty, hopefully we don't revisit the Bush years. I will support the new president when he does something positive, I will criticize him when he doesn't, but when you tell me to get over it, because he won, just let me remind what was said 8 years ago by one Senator McConnell "Our goal is to make him a one term President" And it lasted for 8 years of obstruction and failing to do their jobs. So I don't want to hear "Get over it" The GOP never did.

    The next target we need to go after is proving the fake news sites for being wrong, we all need to do our due diligence to find the truth, or we are going to continue to be divided. That is their goal.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  3. David Brandenburg
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    12/12/2016 9:12 PM
    Yes and no.

    Yes because it had little effect on the election. Trump was more appealing to the average person than Clinton.

    No because no matter who was being hacked technology has to be improved to control the hacking.

    What I am more concerned with is what the hacking showed about the DNC leaders and how they felt about the working class Americans.



  4. Ronald Kirkman
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    12/12/2016 9:12 PM
    Greetings:

    Mel; My understanding is Mr. McConnell is going to move to Missouri and run for Senate as an Independent. In another post to answer your question, I was going to stay at Mar - a -Lago and take a Helicopter back and forth but my girl friend Hillary might get mad cause I don't think she likes Mr. Trump.

    After golf, on Tuesday my wife and I will be going to the show for the day. Hopefully we will see you.

    David, You are right. It seems the DNC leaders could care less about the working class Americans.

    It is not everyone that can claim to be part of a basket of DEPLORABLES. We have to give the lady credit she was really cool when she made those remarks.

    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA



  5. Andrew Cross
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    5 posts
    12/13/2016 8:12 AM
    Wasn't Jill Stein claiming the voting machines themselves were hacked? Only way to do this is in person, they are not connected to the internet ever. I read an article the other night about a former NSA agent saying he believes the email hacks (that supposedly influenced the election) were actually leaked by the NSA. One thing he points to is that the White House screamed loudly when North Korea and China have hacked or attempted to hack US Servers in the past yet remained silent about these "Russian Hacks"

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-22/nsa-whistleblower-us-intelligence-worker-likely-behind-dnc-leaks-not-russia

    I have to agree with Capt Kirk here, its crying over spilled milk.



  6. William Murphy
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    8 posts
    12/13/2016 10:12 AM
    "What I am more concerned with is what the hacking showed about the DNC leaders and how they felt about the working class Americans"

    I agree with you David



  7. Keith Lamb
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    3 posts
    12/13/2016 1:12 PM
    Captain..... The Dunning-Kruger effect is one you cannot escape.



  8. Steven Huffstutler
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    11 posts
    12/14/2016 9:12 AM
    "To all you Democrats and others that don't like Mr. Trump - you lost the race so get over it"

    Interesting how you cried about Obama for 8 years but now that your guy is in, everybody else is supposed to just shut up, right?



  9. Melvin Waldron
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    12/14/2016 2:12 PM
    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said: "To all you Democrats and others that don't like Mr. Trump - you lost the race so get over it"

    Interesting how you cried about Obama for 8 years but now that your guy is in, everybody else is supposed to just shut up, right?


    It's like they have forgotten the last 8 years. I love ;) this comment as well, "Obama (or various versions of malicious spellings) has ruined this country", like really it's worse than in 2008? And then we are supposed to kiss Trump's ring? I'll give him credit when he deserves it, but I will criticize him when he earns that as well.

    I just hope people really read into all these stories about the new jobs being created. Much of them were already in the works before they knew who was winning the election.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  10. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    12/14/2016 2:12 PM
    Ronald Kirkman said: Greetings:

    Mel; My understanding is Mr. McConnell is going to move to Missouri and run for Senate as an Independent. In another post to answer your question, I was going to stay at Mar - a -Lago and take a Helicopter back and forth but my girl friend Hillary might get mad cause I don't think she likes Mr. Trump. Are you sure? Heck he isn't even going to prosecute her now, they used to be good friends. Maybe Peach can patch up their friendship?

    After golf, on Tuesday my wife and I will be going to the show for the day. Hopefully we will see you. I'll be there this year, I hope so too

    David, You are right. It seems the DNC leaders could care less about the working class Americans. Actually I don't think either side really cares as a group about working class Americans, it might seem like the Republicans care more, when it comes to maybe making themselves more money, which is ok, until you get sick and don't have decent healthcare anymore.

    It is not everyone that can claim to be part of a basket of DEPLORABLES. We have to give the lady credit she was really cool when she made those remarks. Remember it was only half of you, do you all have a card or something to identify yourselves?

    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA


    No one runs in Missouri as an independent, usually anyone wanting to run for office around here needs an R behind their name including rocks. What gets me about voters here is when they put the "liberal" tag on democrats, they don't realize a Missouri Democrat is different than a east or west coast democrat. When our current Senators get scored our Democratic Senator sits right in the middle at 50.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  11. Stephen Okula
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    3 posts
    12/15/2016 1:12 AM
    David Brandenburg, CGCS said: Yes and no.

    Yes because it had little effect on the election. Trump was more appealing to the average person than Clinton.

    Popular vote totals by http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php

    Hillary Clinton: 65,818,318
    Donald Trump: 62,958,211


    No because no matter who was being hacked technology has to be improved to control the hacking.

    What I am more concerned with is what the hacking showed about the DNC leaders and how they felt about the working class Americans.



  12. Peter Bowman
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    12/15/2016 7:12 AM
    Keith Lamb said: Captain..... The Dunning-Kruger effect is one you cannot escape.

    Quite a charge there, Dr. Keith.



  13. Clay Putnam
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    33 posts
    12/15/2016 8:12 AM
    Peter Bowman, CGCS said:
    Keith Lamb said: Captain..... The Dunning-Kruger effect is one you cannot escape.

    Quite a charge there, Dr. Keith.


    I'm going to keep my fingers crossed and give Keith the benefit of doubt to speaking in jest.



  14. Larry Allan
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    12/15/2016 11:12 AM
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said:
    Peter Bowman, CGCS said:
    Keith Lamb said: Captain..... The Dunning-Kruger effect is one you cannot escape.

    Quite a charge there, Dr. Keith.


    I'm going to keep my fingers crossed and give Keith the benefit of doubt to speaking in jest.

    I had to look up the term just like everyone other than Keith. It seems fairly fitting



  15. Melvin Waldron
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    12/15/2016 11:12 AM
    Larry Allan said:
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said:
    Peter Bowman, CGCS said:
    Keith Lamb said: Captain..... The Dunning-Kruger effect is one you cannot escape.

    Quite a charge there, Dr. Keith.


    I'm going to keep my fingers crossed and give Keith the benefit of doubt to speaking in jest.

    I had to look up the term just like everyone other than Keith. It seems fairly fitting


    Yea, you made me look up the term, and all I can say is WOW!

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  16. Clay Putnam
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    33 posts
    12/15/2016 11:12 AM
    Larry Allan said:
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said:
    Peter Bowman, CGCS said:
    Keith Lamb said: Captain..... The Dunning-Kruger effect is one you cannot escape.

    Quite a charge there, Dr. Keith.


    I'm going to keep my fingers crossed and give Keith the benefit of doubt to speaking in jest.

    I had to look up the term just like everyone other than Keith. It seems fairly fitting


    This is exactly why your candidate of choice (mother from another country) lost. Although the coastal democrats fail to recognize the obvious.



  17. Peter Bowman
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    12/15/2016 12:12 PM
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said:
    Larry Allan said:
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said:
    Peter Bowman, CGCS said:
    Keith Lamb said: Captain..... The Dunning-Kruger effect is one you cannot escape.

    Quite a charge there, Dr. Keith.


    I'm going to keep my fingers crossed and give Keith the benefit of doubt to speaking in jest.

    I had to look up the term just like everyone other than Keith. It seems fairly fitting


    This is exactly why your candidate of choice (mother from another country) lost. Although the coastal democrats fail to recognize the obvious.


    I can't even imagine what this world would be like if we didn't have people smarter than us available to tell us just how stupid we are.



  18. Keith Lamb
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    12/15/2016 4:12 PM
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said:
    Peter Bowman, CGCS said:
    Keith Lamb said: Captain..... The Dunning-Kruger effect is one you cannot escape.

    Quite a charge there, Dr. Keith.


    I'm going to keep my fingers crossed and give Keith the benefit of doubt to speaking in jest.



    I'm always speaking in jest.......or am I? :roll:



  19. Peter Bowman
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    11 posts
    12/15/2016 4:12 PM
    Keith Lamb said:
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said:
    Peter Bowman, CGCS said:
    Keith Lamb said: Captain..... The Dunning-Kruger effect is one you cannot escape.

    Quite a charge there, Dr. Keith.


    I'm going to keep my fingers crossed and give Keith the benefit of doubt to speaking in jest.



    I'm always speaking in jest.......or am I? :roll:


    Since you asked, I would say not, in this case.



  20. David Brandenburg
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    12/15/2016 7:12 PM
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said:
    David Brandenburg, CGCS said: Yes and no.

    Yes because it had little effect on the election. Trump was more appealing to the average person than Clinton.

    Popular vote totals by http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php

    Hillary Clinton: 65,818,318
    Donald Trump: 62,958,211


    No because no matter who was being hacked technology has to be improved to control the hacking.

    What I am more concerned with is what the hacking showed about the DNC leaders and how they felt about the working class Americans.


    Stephen, Thank you for sharing. Most of us are aware Clinton led the popular vote. But that is not how elections are decided. Let me rephrase my answer..... [u">Trump was more appealing to the average person not living in a big city than Clinton.[/u">



  21. Stephen Okula
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    3 posts
    12/16/2016 1:12 AM
    David Brandenburg, CGCS said:
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said:
    David Brandenburg, CGCS said: Yes and no.

    Yes because it had little effect on the election. Trump was more appealing to the average person than Clinton.

    Popular vote totals by http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php

    Hillary Clinton: 65,818,318
    Donald Trump: 62,958,211


    No because no matter who was being hacked technology has to be improved to control the hacking.

    What I am more concerned with is what the hacking showed about the DNC leaders and how they felt about the working class Americans.


    Stephen, Thank you for sharing. Most of us are aware Clinton led the popular vote. But that is not how elections are decided. Let me rephrase my answer..... [u">Trump was more appealing to the average person not living in a big city than Clinton.[/u">


    More precisely, that's not how presidential elections are decided in the United States. Any other level of U.S election or any other democratic country and Hillary wins the office. If by "average person" you mean white, uneducated voters, there are a lot of those, obviously.



  22. Peter Bowman
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    12/16/2016 7:12 AM
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said:
    David Brandenburg, CGCS said:
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said:
    David Brandenburg, CGCS said: Yes and no.

    Yes because it had little effect on the election. Trump was more appealing to the average person than Clinton.

    Popular vote totals by http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php

    Hillary Clinton: 65,818,318
    Donald Trump: 62,958,211


    No because no matter who was being hacked technology has to be improved to control the hacking.

    What I am more concerned with is what the hacking showed about the DNC leaders and how they felt about the working class Americans.


    Stephen, Thank you for sharing. Most of us are aware Clinton led the popular vote. But that is not how elections are decided. Let me rephrase my answer..... [u">Trump was more appealing to the average person not living in a big city than Clinton.[/u">


    More precisely, that's not how presidential elections are decided in the United States. Any other level of U.S election or any other democratic country and Hillary wins the office. If by "average person" you mean white, uneducated voters, there are a lot of those, obviously.


    So there you go. There's one right there. Someone smarter than us all telling us how stupid we are. And here I thought they were only in America. They're all over the world. Brilliant people, they are.



  23. Stephen Okula
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    12/16/2016 7:12 AM
    I didn't say stupid, I said uneducated. There's a difference, I've learned.

    And I'm not making it up, Pew Research statistics on voters overall show college educated voters went for Hillary by a 9% margin, and those without a college degree went for Trump by 8%, but white voters with less than a college degree went for Trump by 39%.

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... education/

    Trump won the election, now just wait and watch what happens once he's in office.



  24. William Murphy
    William Murphy avatar
    8 posts
    12/16/2016 8:12 AM
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said:
    David Brandenburg, CGCS said:
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said:
    David Brandenburg, CGCS said: Yes and no.

    Yes because it had little effect on the election. Trump was more appealing to the average person than Clinton.

    Popular vote totals by http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php

    Hillary Clinton: 65,818,318
    Donald Trump: 62,958,211


    No because no matter who was being hacked technology has to be improved to control the hacking.

    What I am more concerned with is what the hacking showed about the DNC leaders and how they felt about the working class Americans.


    Stephen, Thank you for sharing. Most of us are aware Clinton led the popular vote. But that is not how elections are decided. Let me rephrase my answer..... [u">Trump was more appealing to the average person not living in a big city than Clinton.[/u">


    More precisely, that's not how presidential elections are decided in the United States. Any other level of U.S election or any other democratic country and Hillary wins the office. If by "average person" you mean white, uneducated voters, there are a lot of those, obviously.


    Wow, how offensive and what a broad brush you are using. Thank you for clearing something up for me.



  25. Stephen Okula
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    3 posts
    12/16/2016 8:12 AM
    William Murphy said:
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said:
    David Brandenburg, CGCS said:
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said:
    David Brandenburg, CGCS said: Yes and no.

    Yes because it had little effect on the election. Trump was more appealing to the average person than Clinton.

    Popular vote totals by http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php

    Hillary Clinton: 65,818,318
    Donald Trump: 62,958,211


    No because no matter who was being hacked technology has to be improved to control the hacking.

    What I am more concerned with is what the hacking showed about the DNC leaders and how they felt about the working class Americans.


    Stephen, Thank you for sharing. Most of us are aware Clinton led the popular vote. But that is not how elections are decided. Let me rephrase my answer..... [u">Trump was more appealing to the average person not living in a big city than Clinton.[/u">


    More precisely, that's not how presidential elections are decided in the United States. Any other level of U.S election or any other democratic country and Hillary wins the office. If by "average person" you mean white, uneducated voters, there are a lot of those, obviously.


    Wow, how offensive and what a broad brush you are using. Thank you for clearing something up for me.


    Politically correct people are offended by facts.



  26. Peter Bowman
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    11 posts
    12/16/2016 9:12 AM
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said: I didn't say stupid, I said uneducated. There's a difference, I've learned.......


    You haven't learned very well, I'd say. Especially since we all know what you mean.

    You must have a Master's or PhD in something, since you're obviously more educated than me.



  27. Sandy Clark
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    12/16/2016 10:12 AM
    We do know a few facts for sure. When you look at a red and blue map of the election, Hillary only won some big cities around the country. The democrat vote in New York alone was nearly enough to give her the popular vote difference. The map is almost totally red. We know all the big countries have been hacking each other for years, no surprise there. We messed with Israel's election and did everything possible to help defeat the Prime Minister and we had our people working in that Brexit deal. We aren't pure! Julian Assange stated yesterday, wikileaks did not get the information due to any foreign government. The damaging material by way of Podesta clearly came from one of our own agencies who held grudges against Clinton either over the Bernie treatment or some other major policy related event and they didn't want to see her as President. I think all these adds trying to overturn the electoral vote and all the blaming of Russia and everyone else is laughable. The electoral system worked out as it was designed, giving small states an equal chance to count. Many of us that didn't trust Obama's politics when he ran the first time voiced our disagreements but no marching in the streets or lunatic reactions to change it. We respected the process. I thought Liberal meant you were open minded. My feeling is so called liberals only want things there way! Speech is only free if it agrees with them! All that matters is power and they see it slipping away. Heaven forbid Trump does well like all of us hoped with Obama. The liberal mantras may never work again if he succeeds.



  28. Stephen Okula
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    3 posts
    12/16/2016 10:12 AM
    Peter Bowman, CGCS said:
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said: I didn't say stupid, I said uneducated. There's a difference, I've learned.......


    You haven't learned very well, I'd say. Especially since we all know what you mean.

    You must have a Master's or PhD in something, since you're obviously more educated than me.


    What I mean is exactly what I said. Uneducated does not necessarily mean stupid. A person can be one or the other or both or neither.

    Of course, not everybody who voted for Trump was uneducated, but without them he wouldn't have won the election, and there are too many such people in the U.S, in my opinion.



  29. Keith Fellenstein
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    12/16/2016 11:12 AM
    What I mean is exactly what I said. Uneducated does not necessarily mean stupid. A person can be one or the other or both or neither.

    Of course, not everybody who voted for Trump was uneducated, but without them he wouldn't have won the election, and there are too many such people in the U.S, in my opinion.

    by your own admission, "educated" people can be stupid and "uneducated" people can be not stupid so the only conclusion I can draw from your opinion that there are too many uneducated people that voted for Trump is you are upset things didn't go your way and none of this has anything to do with being stupid or not ...or you think anyone that disagrees with you is stupid?...typical. By the way, from reading this thread, it seems the U.S. may not have the monopoly on stupidity, in my opinion.



  30. David Brandenburg
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    12/16/2016 11:12 AM
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said:
    David Brandenburg, CGCS said:
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said:
    David Brandenburg, CGCS said: Yes and no.

    Yes because it had little effect on the election. Trump was more appealing to the average person than Clinton.

    Popular vote totals by http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php

    Hillary Clinton: 65,818,318
    Donald Trump: 62,958,211


    No because no matter who was being hacked technology has to be improved to control the hacking.

    What I am more concerned with is what the hacking showed about the DNC leaders and how they felt about the working class Americans.


    Stephen, Thank you for sharing. Most of us are aware Clinton led the popular vote. But that is not how elections are decided. Let me rephrase my answer..... [u">Trump was more appealing to the average person not living in a big city than Clinton.[/u">


    More precisely, that's not how presidential elections are decided in the United States. Any other level of U.S election or any other democratic country and Hillary wins the office. If by "average person" you mean white, uneducated voters, there are a lot of those, obviously.


    Wow, no reason to beat around the bush on how you feel Stephen. IMHO, that thinking is how Clinton and many of her supporters feel, and that is why she lost.
    If we are deplorable to you, we are proudly deplorable.
    Merry Christmas to you sir,



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