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1. Niemier Rick A

   
   7/26/2012 6:07 PM

   Hey, that was pretty funny! I knew you would be a chicken ---- David.

   
   
   
   
2. Larry Allan

   

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   7/27/2012 4:07 AM

   The US has always had a gun mentality. It is your right and everyone, it seems, owns at least one gun if not a collection.
   
   Up here guns were never a right or part of our "constitution" so the people who own are farmers and hunters.(and bad guys) Other than the "Secret Sam" shooting brief case I had as a kid, I have never actually seen or handled a gun of any sort and I live in a rural area.
   
   I have never locked my doors, never taken the keys out of my truck, and never worried about it
   
   Even in an almost gun free environment, we still have the odd massacre and gang gun warfare.
   
   If you look at gun deaths on a per capita basis, gun control does work
   
   We have under 5 gun deaths per 100000, you have almost 11, South Africa 75
   
   I don't think gun control would have had much of a bearing on what happened in Colorado. It might be easier to guns and ammo down there but if a Mentally Ill person wants to kill, they will find a way to do it

   
   
   
   
3. Steve Nelson

   

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   7/27/2012 7:07 AM

   James Schmid said: .

   
   
   So you're saying that if he had only had a 10 shot clip or 20 shot clip and had only killed 6 and injured 12 that would have been fine?
   
   What did body armor have to do with it? Sure he was wearing it, but nobody shot at him anyway, It didn't enable him to kill any more or fewer people.
   
   I don't know if 'fine' is the word I would use, but half the dead and 60 less wounded would certainly be better. Also, if he has to stop and reload, somebody would have had the opportunity to stop him. There was no shortage of bravery there, we know that several young men died while shielding their girlfriends.
   
   Keep trying to rationalize that it's perfectly ok for everyone to have assault gear. Today's law abiding citizen is tomorrow's wacko. Some reasonable controls (waiting periods, clip size, munition type, etc) would be ok.

   
   
   
   
4. McCallum David K

   
   7/27/2012 9:07 AM

   First of all I have no idea what you are referring to except my comment about Andy's post........which referenced something I had posted earlier. I do not send you emails of any kind..........you are not on my email list since you seemed to take last football season so poorly.
   
   You really do need to lighten up Rick. I am sure you are a fine husband, father, superintendent, the list is endless. Don;t take yourself or comments on here so seriously. This is an outlet to enjoy ourselves......... for most of us anyway. You can take 90% of what I post as definitely tongue in cheek.............it's fun to get a rise out of some of you guys that actually think what is posted on these forums are important in the overall scheme of life............except all post by D. Lusional, MD and his weird friend from New Guinea with the Gulfstream.
   
   PS I really should have sent you that bottle of whine last year after the BCS........you might have chilled out some.
   
   PSS I only shoot at targets now, but they are silhouettes of bad guys.

   
   
   
   
5. Niemier Rick A

   
   7/27/2012 10:07 AM

   David McCallum said: First of all I have no idea what you are referring to except my comment about Andy's post........which referenced something I had posted earlier. I do not send you emails of any kind..........you are not on my email list since you seemed to take last football season so poorly.
   
   You really do need to lighten up Rick. I am sure you are a fine husband, father, superintendent, the list is endless. Don;t take yourself or comments on here so seriously. This is an outlet to enjoy ourselves......... for most of us anyway. You can take 90% of what I post as definitely tongue in cheek.............it's fun to get a rise out of some of you guys that actually think what is posted on these forums are important in the overall scheme of life............except all post by D. Lusional, MD and his weird friend from New Guinea with the Gulfstream.
   
   PS I really should have sent you that bottle of whine last year after the BCS........you might have chilled out some.
   
   PSS I only shoot at targets now, but they are silhouettes of bad guys.

   
   
   David,
   
   I have as good a sense of humor as anyone. Unfortunately you think your opinion is the only one that counts. I also love getting a rise out of you, as you call it. I also do not drink whine, or wine. I was aware you Cajuns were whine connoisseurs. I seem to remember a football game the last time we played, Tate to Holloway, TOUCHDOWN! Then lots of whine! I am surprised you still shoot at targets. That means you have more guns for the criminals to steal from you?

   
   
   
   
6. Steven Huffstutler

   

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   7/27/2012 4:07 PM

   Larry Allan said: The US has always had a gun mentality. It is your right and everyone, it seems, owns at least one gun if not a collection.
   
   Up here guns were never a right or part of our "constitution" so the people who own are farmers and hunters.(and bad guys) Other than the "Secret Sam" shooting brief case I had as a kid, I have never actually seen or handled a gun of any sort and I live in a rural area.
   
   I have never locked my doors, never taken the keys out of my truck, and never worried about it
   
   Even in an almost gun free environment, we still have the odd massacre and gang gun warfare.
   
   If you look at gun deaths on a per capita basis, gun control does work
   
   We have under 5 gun deaths per 100000, you have almost 11, South Africa 75
   
   I don't think gun control would have had much of a bearing on what happened in Colorado. It might be easier to guns and ammo down there but if a Mentally Ill person wants to kill, they will find a way to do it

   
   
   
   
   I've got to take issue with your statements. Both the CDC and the AMA have done study after study and the results prove, over and over again that the results of gun control laws are inconclusive at best. There are statistical analysis that show that states that issue concealed weapons permits have experienced a decline in robbery, rape and murder.
   
   More kids in this country are killed every year playing football than are killed by gun violence, I don't hear any clamor to shut Pop Warner down, though.
   
   As a gun owner, shooter and hunter I would tend to agree that there is no need for high capacity magazines, but the public has a basic misunderstanding of what constitutes an "assault weapon". a semi automatic rifle of any design is NOT an assault weapon. Maybe if they were painted pink instead of black, they would be more acceptable.
   
   The problem that gun owners in this country have with more and more restrictive laws is that we see that they don't work and the people who are pushing them are pretty transparent in their belief that none of us should have any guns at all.
   
   Regards,
   
   Steve

   
   
   
   
7. Wallace Jeffrey V

   
   7/27/2012 5:07 PM

   David McCallum said: You can take 90% of what I post as definitely tongue in cheek.............it's fun to get a rise out of some of you guys that actually think what is posted on these forums are important in the overall scheme of life............except all posts by D. Lusional, MD......

   
   
   Dave, you need to ignore that D. Lusional guy. I know him. He's an idiot.

   
   
   
   
8. Andy Jorgensen

   

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   7/27/2012 5:07 PM

   Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said:
   
   a semi automatic rifle of any design is NOT an assault weapon. Maybe if they were painted pink instead of black, they would be more acceptable.
   
   
   Regards,
   
   Steve

   
   
   
   I think the "Hello Kitty" is to influence the kids to pester their parents to buy them one for that retail, I mean, religious holiday you all celebrate.
   
   [img">http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r143/andyjorg/Hellokitty.jpg[/img">

   
   
   
   
9. Steven Kurta

   

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   7/27/2012 7:07 PM

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10. Steven Huffstutler

    

    11 posts
    
    7/28/2012 5:07 AM

    So, according to your standard, the framers of the Constitution, while wise enough to look into the past and try to foresee the future with regard to every other aspect of its creation, could not foresee a technological advance in firearms or weaponry?
    Again, by your standard we should never have abolished slavery and women would not be able to vote.
    I understand and respect your opinion, but don't you think our money and time would be better spent addressing the mental health crises that this country finds itself in due to myopic money saving policies rather than trying to implement laws that we know don't work?
    The current home of the Olympic games, England, has strict gun control laws yet you are 7 times more likely to be a victim of crime in London than you would be in New York City.
    
    Regards,
    
    Steve

    
    
    
    
11. Larry Allan

    

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    7/28/2012 6:07 AM

    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said:

    Larry Allan said: The US has always had a gun mentality. It is your right and everyone, it seems, owns at least one gun if not a collection.
    
    Up here guns were never a right or part of our "constitution" so the people who own are farmers and hunters.(and bad guys) Other than the "Secret Sam" shooting brief case I had as a kid, I have never actually seen or handled a gun of any sort and I live in a rural area.
    
    I have never locked my doors, never taken the keys out of my truck, and never worried about it
    
    Even in an almost gun free environment, we still have the odd massacre and gang gun warfare.
    
    If you look at gun deaths on a per capita basis, gun control does work
    
    We have under 5 gun deaths per 100000, you have almost 11, South Africa 75
    
    I don't think gun control would have had much of a bearing on what happened in Colorado. It might be easier to guns and ammo down there but if a Mentally Ill person wants to kill, they will find a way to do it

    
    
    
    
    I've got to take issue with your statements. Both the CDC and the AMA have done study after study and the results prove, over and over again that the results of gun control laws are inconclusive at best. There are statistical analysis that show that states that issue concealed weapons permits have experienced a decline in robbery, rape and murder.
    
    More kids in this country are killed every year playing football than are killed by gun violence, I don't hear any clamor to shut Pop Warner down, though.
    
    As a gun owner, shooter and hunter I would tend to agree that there is no need for high capacity magazines, but the public has a basic misunderstanding of what constitutes an "assault weapon". a semi automatic rifle of any design is NOT an assault weapon. Maybe if they were painted pink instead of black, they would be more acceptable.
    
    The problem that gun owners in this country have with more and more restrictive laws is that we see that they don't work and the people who are pushing them are pretty transparent in their belief that none of us should have any guns at all.
    
    Regards,
    
    Steve

    
    You talking to me?
    I never said that!
    
    America has a gun mentality. We don't. I have no issue with either. My only point is that with more guns comes more gun deaths. It is inevitable. I was very surprised that the stats showed that you only have twice as many gun deaths as we do. Based on the fact that very few up here own guns, your record is actually far and away superior to ours.

    
    
    
    
12. Melvin Waldron

    

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    7/28/2012 8:07 AM

    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said: So, according to your standard, the framers of the Constitution, while wise enough to look into the past and try to foresee the future with regard to every other aspect of its creation, could not foresee a technological advance in firearms or weaponry?
    Again, by your standard we should never have abolished slavery and women would not be able to vote.
    I understand and respect your opinion, but don't you think our money and time would be better spent addressing the mental health crises that this country finds itself in due to myopic money saving policies rather than trying to implement laws that we know don't work?
    The current home of the Olympic games, England, has strict gun control laws yet you are 7 times more likely to be a victim of crime in London than you would be in New York City.
    
    Regards,
    
    Steve

    
    
    I think Steve makes the point very well. Of course where do all the cuts to budgets come from? The exact areas that could help maybe address these issues. The children's mental health system is so overwhelmed here in our area that it could take months just to get an appointment and treatment, and the facilities are just overwhelmed.
    
    I do see where we could look at some common sense restrictions such as no 100 round clips and the like. Just my opinion.
    
    Mel

    
    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
    
    
13. Niemier Rick A

    
    7/28/2012 8:07 AM

    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said:
    The current home of the Olympic games, England, has strict gun control laws yet you are 7 times more likely to be a victim of crime in London than you would be in New York City.
    
    Regards,
    
    Steve

    
    
    
    Murders by firearms in UK.... 14 Murders by firearms in US.... 9,369 (year 2002)
    I know, more people live in the US than the UK. Ok, so there are 5 times as many people that live in the US than the UK. The numbers are still way out of proportion.

    
    
    
    
14. Steven Kurta

    

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    7/28/2012 9:07 AM

    I was being a wise acre, huff.
    Whatever with gun laws. They're not changing. But the NRA hardkors that say ownership hasn't run amok with allowing assault weapons are lying. But I imagine it's a lie worth keeping because the alternative is seen as too slippery a slope to cave in on. It's that old patriotic trope of first they came for our guns, blah blah.
    It's a farce - a joke, this right to own assault weapons. It's a chess piece.

    
    
    
    
15. McCallum David K

    
    7/28/2012 10:07 AM

    Rick my opinion is no more important than anyones on here.......in fact it may we worth less but I still have one. Glad you still enjoying memories from the past (2004) perhaps in the near future the Hawkeyes will field a competitive team again.

    
    
    
    
16. Niemier Rick A

    
    7/28/2012 10:07 AM

    David McCallum said: Rick my opinion is no more important than anyones on here.......in fact it may we worth less but I still have one. Glad you still enjoying memories from the past (2004) perhaps in the near future the Hawkeyes will field a competitive team again.

    
    
    
    They always field a competitive team. Up here in Iowa we don't live, die or cheat at football like they do down there. Sorry, but 2004 was the last time we played. It might even surprise you to know that I am not that big of college football fan. My day is not changed if Iowa wins or loses. I do not place bets on any games. Some games I do not even watch. Not life or death here, like it is at your house. Sorry to disappoint you.

    
    
    
    
17. McCallum David K

    
    7/29/2012 6:07 AM

    Believe me..............you never disappoint me.