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1. Larry Stowell

   

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   1/15/2014 4:01 PM

   David,
   
   Poa Cure has been tested in many university trials in a lot of states for a few of years. I have seen a number of university trials and presentations. The current Poa Cure sales/research program is something that does not normally happen in turf because large scale EUP (experimental use permit) trials are more common in agriculture than turf. Under a marketing EUP, you can sell the product on a limited number of acres per state and a limited number of total acres (limited can sometimes be in the thousands of acres - not a big deal for agriculture, but significant for turf). I don't recall a similar program in turf because most of our products come from agriculture where the large scale marketing EUP programs were conducted. Poa Cure is coming directly to turf, not from Ag. The direct marketing approach is also unusual for our industry, but we are seeing more direct marketing of a variety of products, this thread provides an example of a variety of marketing strategies. As long as the data supports the product claims, I don't care how the product is marketed. I can help sort out the data and product claims. You guys need to determine if the price and performance match your management goals.
   
   I have reviewed a number of the Poa Cure research trials and I have discussed the product with leading weed researchers. Poa Cure will be interesting, pricing will be interesting, we know nothing about resistance management. Here are a few additional resources I found on Poa Cure with a simple Google search. TGIF will provide more articles, but for some reason, I can't log into the system.
   
   Weed Science article:
   http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.1614/WS-D-12-00128.1
   
   Washington State report:
   http://turf.wsu.edu/Documents/Research% ... SU2011.pdf
   
   Purdue summary:
   http://www.agry.purdue.edu/turf/report/ ... 0Green.pdf
   
   U Mass report - use recommendations, not original data:
   http://extension.umass.edu/turf/sites/t ... n_2012.pdf

   
   
   
   
2. Canedo Alberto J

   
   1/16/2014 8:01 AM

   I personally do not rely on research unless I am testing a new product on my own and I will ask for a sample of the product to test on my putting green. I will spray mark the putting green in half and spray my normal fertilizers on one half and then spray the new product on the other side to make a comparison. The next time I fertilize the greens I do the same except on the test site, I mix the product in with my normal cocktail mix I use on the greens. If I see that it looks better on the test site, I will continue testing it and then added to the rest of the greens. But I am not changing my High usage of NPK's and Fe for something new. What is not broken why fix it. I am not going to have a vendor tell me what I need to use, I use the products I want to and the companies I want to use. If they don't like that and get upset, I will not use them. It is nice to have an Organization/Ownership that does not micro manage my maintenance program and allows me to use any vendor or company I wish to use.

   
   
   
   
3. Timothy Connolly

   

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   1/25/2014 9:01 AM

   I was asked to try this particular product and my first question was "can you send me university research from my region that backs up your in-house results?" Once I have that information, it becomes a simple cost-benefit analysis.

   
   
   
   
4. Noy Sparks

   

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   12/18/2014 9:12 AM

   So it has been almost a year since anyone has posted any updates to this thread. For all you supts who have been using GenNext are you still seeing positive results? Have any of you quit using it? Just looking for more recent feedback.
   
   Thanks!

   
   
   
   
5. Hardy Andrew

   
   12/19/2014 7:12 AM

   I used A and B this year after being a sceptic much like everyone else. I have signed on for next year to continue with A and B being a "part" of my greens program. What did I see? Color was great, reduced Poa seed head (we don't have a suppressant up here in Canada), 4-5 inch Poa roots in mid-July and we increased our bent populations.
   
   Just as a disclaimer, we have switched to smooth rollers on greens. We have also removed thousands of trees from around greens, a weekly dusting of sand and implemented an inter-seeding program. I am also using a few of the Redox line products as a supplement to A and B.
   
   Perhaps our choice to promote bent vs. nurturing the mixed stand are why our program is showing what we want and where we want to go. Lots of check plots help too!!
   
   There's no better applicable research, than your own.

   
   
   
   
6. Joe Wachter

   

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   12/19/2014 9:12 AM

   Research is great for a guide and I depend upon it a great deal but first hand experience is best for me. Did 4 greens one season, Survived hottest year on record and have not looked back. Continued with 4 greens next season. Was looking at my 18th green which was not on the program and PG which was about 2 weeks before my member/guest. Overall difference was noticeable, not just in color but in health of turf. 18th green had that ugly, shiny look that we sometimes thump our chest about. Lean and mean and that's the way I like it. Well, I did not like it and placed all of them on the program that season and last year as well. No anthracnose, very little disease pressure. Did have some take-all last season but think that was from spring app brfeak or lack of ph adjusting injection last season. Good ball roll, nice growth all season but it was milder, mixture of bent and poa is good. Still have some strong poa populations that I'm gong to use Paclo on this season. Nothing like testing material yourself like others have. Its like anything, you might have something that works, don't change it. You might try it and you think it does not work. Great, go back to what you've been doing. Might be too expensive, ok, dead grass is more expensive.
   
   I put about 1/4N down with 2 apps each month. Same in K. Use some Turfscreen, Signature program, Seasweed extract, fish meal and a couple of other products mixed in. Primo through the heat. A little N at the beginning/end of each season either organic and or AS at 1/2# . Older I've gotten, simpler its become. No more 8-10 product tank mixes. You could drive yourself crazy with all the products that folks want to sell.

   
   
   
   
7. Mark Dennison

   

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   1/4/2015 5:01 AM

   Started using the product last year on select troublesome greens. It was a mild season, so stress was minimal. I would say that the greens that were sprayed were as healthy or healthier than In years past and did have better rooting than non-sprayed greens. All the greens were 80% poa. I can't say at this time if poa was reduced.
   
   Mark Dennison
   Christiana Creek CC
   Elkhart, IN

   
   
   
   
8. Dalton Andrew

   
   1/23/2015 9:01 PM

   Like some, I like to do my own research. The problem I have with some research is are they applying to same soils, same turf type, same bio types, same environmental conditions as me and just as important same water type and sprayer? Chances are they are not. I have a nursery green and a practice green that see most unfamiliar products to conduct our own research on.
   
   I tried the Gen Next products, also with some skepticism, I tried both A and B. First spray was 16oz per 1,000 and next spray was 8oz per 1,000 every two weeks. I am located in South Eastern Michigan with Bent/Poa greens. I had some minor winter damage and tried everything to encourage growth knowing most crowns were still viable. Some greens received the Gen Next products. While others saw regular foliar sprays anywhere from 4-7 days apart. Some with more extensive damage and shade issues saw frequent foliar and soil sprays with some added sugar in the form of fructose (MSU Study on shaded greens). I had a lot of viable crowns, where some of my peers experienced complete plant death. With all that said, the greens that received the Gen Next sprays were always a step a head of the others. As summer approached and the greens were healthy I switched to all Gen Next sprays because it fit with my PGR sprays (Cutless MEC 12-14oz per acre, every two weeks). I plan on using the Gen Next products again this year but switching Cutless MEC with Trimmit on two week intervals.
   
   Andrew Dalton
   Metamora Golf and Country Club