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  1. Wahlin Scott B
    Wahlin Scott B avatar
    6/13/2012 2:06 PM
    Fox host Patti Ann Browne said of the Fed report: "A stunning new report finds that Americans' average [u">net worth is down a whopping 40 percent in just the past three years[/u">." Graphics aired during the segment correctly noted that the decline occurred between 2007 and 2010. [Fox News, Fox & Friends First, 6/12/12]

    2007-2010 is four years
    Bush was President 2 of 4 of those years
    This was before the stimulus
    The economy has improved since 2010

    http://mediamatters.org/research/201206120016

    Karl Rove blames Obama and Karl was there; this is propaganda pure and simple.

    http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201206120018



  2. Wahlin Scott B
    Wahlin Scott B avatar
    6/13/2012 4:06 PM
    Let's build an embassy in Iraq the size of the Vatican and put the expense on the backs of our great-grandchildren (along with two unfunded wars and big tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans), yet ignore our roads and bridges with the construction work and all of the supply chain that goes along with it in our country. [u">The Senate voted 74-100 yes on a bipartisan roads bill and the House has refused to discuss it[/u">. The Tea Party will fail.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/ns/msnbc_tv-hardball_with_chris_matthews/#47788703



  3. Peter Bowman
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    11 posts
    6/13/2012 4:06 PM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said:
    The Tea Party will fail.


    And the Occupy Movement will succeed.



  4. Wahlin Scott B
    Wahlin Scott B avatar
    6/13/2012 5:06 PM
    Peter Bowman, CGCS said:
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said:
    The Tea Party will fail.


    And the Occupy Movement will succeed.


    Hopefully we will have a government of consensus again.



  5. Jon Gansen
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    1 posts
    6/13/2012 5:06 PM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said:
    Peter Bowman, CGCS said:
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said:
    The Tea Party will fail.


    And the Occupy Movement will succeed.


    Hopefully we will have a government of consensus again.


    SOURCE: TWO CRITICAL OBAMA BOOKS WILL TOP NYT BESTSELLERS LIST...

    #1 THE AMATEUR, BY ED KLEIN

    #2 THE GREAT DESTROYER, BY DAVID LIMBAUGH

    Wonder why??



  6. Wahlin Scott B
    Wahlin Scott B avatar
    6/13/2012 7:06 PM
    Jon Gansen said:
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said:
    Peter Bowman, CGCS said:
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said:
    The Tea Party will fail.


    And the Occupy Movement will succeed.


    Hopefully we will have a government of consensus again.


    SOURCE: TWO CRITICAL OBAMA BOOKS WILL TOP NYT BESTSELLERS LIST...

    #1 THE AMATEUR, BY ED KLEIN

    #2 THE GREAT DESTROYER, BY DAVID LIMBAUGH

    Wonder why??


    I don't wonder why at all. High dollar propaganda and a misguided populace leads to idiocy and unprovoked violence.



  7. Clay Putnam
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    33 posts
    6/13/2012 7:06 PM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said:
    Jon Gansen said:
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said:
    Peter Bowman, CGCS said:
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said:
    The Tea Party will fail.


    And the Occupy Movement will succeed.


    Hopefully we will have a government of consensus again.


    SOURCE: TWO CRITICAL OBAMA BOOKS WILL TOP NYT BESTSELLERS LIST...

    #1 THE AMATEUR, BY ED KLEIN

    #2 THE GREAT DESTROYER, BY DAVID LIMBAUGH

    Wonder why??


    I don't wonder why at all. High dollar propaganda and a misguided populace leads to idiocy and unprovoked violence.


    Yeah, the misguided occupiers are a perfect example of unprovoked violence. Thanks for keeping the balance Scott.



  8. Wahlin Scott B
    Wahlin Scott B avatar
    6/13/2012 8:06 PM
    The occupiers are unprovoked? They just appeared out of nowhere? With the war on drugs and the war on terrorism, all of a sudden we don't need first responders, cops and teachers. The people like Clay who got theirs are more than happy to throw those who come next under the bus.



  9. Peter Bowman
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    11 posts
    6/14/2012 7:06 AM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: The people like Clay who got theirs are more than happy to throw those who come next under the bus.


    I think you've gone nuts. You should cancel your free subscriptions to liberal websites. Keep the paid ones.



  10. Jon Gansen
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    1 posts
    6/14/2012 8:06 AM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: The occupiers are unprovoked? They just appeared out of nowhere? With the war on drugs and the war on terrorism, all of a sudden we don't need first responders, cops and teachers. The people like Clay who got theirs are more than happy to throw those who come next under the bus.


    What???



  11. Ashton Alan W
    Ashton Alan W avatar
    6/14/2012 9:06 AM
    Jon Gansen said:

    SOURCE: TWO CRITICAL OBAMA BOOKS WILL TOP NYT BESTSELLERS LIST...

    #1 THE AMATEUR, BY ED KLEIN

    #2 THE GREAT DESTROYER, BY DAVID LIMBAUGH

    Wonder why??


    For the same reason any book gets on the list...



  12. McCallum David K
    McCallum David K avatar
    6/14/2012 10:06 AM
    The only cases of unprovoked violence has been by occupiers..........no such animal with Tea Party members. Yesterday the occupiers were in Texas protesting a bunch of KIDS ( children) selling lemonade to raise money to feed homeless. Those damn corporate kids................just like their damn parents.......trying to help someone less fortunate. At least they didn't poop on the lemonade stand.



  13. Peter Bowman
    Peter Bowman avatar
    11 posts
    6/15/2012 12:06 AM
    I got an email from David Axelrod today, wanting to know if I heard the Presidents speech.

    --- On Thu, 6/14/12, David Axelrod <info@barackobama.com> wrote:


    From: David Axelrod <info@barackobama.com>
    Subject: Did you hear the President today?
    To: p_bowman@sbcglobal.net
    Date: Thursday, June 14, 2012, 2:51 PM


    Friend --

    This is a make-or-break moment for middle-class Americans -- and anyone who cares needs to watch the speech President Obama made in Cleveland today.

    In this election, we face a choice between two fundamentally different visions of how to grow the economy. The path Mitt Romney and his Republican allies want to take us down is exactly the one that led us to the 2008 crisis. We have to reject those policies and embrace the President's vision of growing the economy, not from the top down, but from the middle class out.

    Hear from President Obama in his own words, and sign on to the principles he laid out.

    The choice couldn't be clearer on the issues most important to ordinary Americans:

    - Better Education: We need to invest in good teachers and help more students go to college and get job training -- not pack kids into classrooms and slash scholarships.

    - More, Cleaner Energy: We need to invest in promising new sources of energy to create a market for innovation and good jobs of the future -- not go back to relying on foreign oil.

    - Leading Through Innovation: We need to invest in our best scientists, researchers, and entrepreneurs so they innovate here -- not cede new ideas to countries like China and India.

    - Job-Creating Infrastructure: We need roads, bridges, ports, and broadband technology that attract businesses that will create jobs here -- not more pet projects and bridges to nowhere.

    - Fair, Simple Tax Reform: We need to reward businesses that create jobs here instead of rewarding outsourcing, and must ask the wealthiest to pay their fair share again -- not sacrifice investments critical to the middle class.

    This economic crisis didn't start in 2008. For more than a decade before, we knew things weren't working the way they should. We saw costs for everything from health care to education rising faster than wages. Good-paying, middle-class jobs were becoming harder to find, as more and more companies moved production overseas.

    The other side's solution was the same then as it is now -- massive tax cuts benefiting mainly the wealthy, rolling back regulations on risky behavior for Wall Street and banks, and slashes to services that the middle class depends on, like Medicare, education, and job training. A decade ago, Bill Clinton left a record surplus. But the last administration put two wars, two huge tax cuts, and the Medicare prescription program on a credit card, and handed President Obama a trillion dollar deficit and a raging economic crisis.

    Incredibly, Romney and his allies want to go back to those same, disastrous policies: budget-busting tax cuts for the wealthy and free rein for Wall Street to write its own rules. We tried Mitt Romney's failed formula for most of the last decade. It benefitted a few, but exploded the deficit, crashed our economy, and devastated the middle class. It didn't grow our economy, create good jobs, or pay down our debt -- it did the opposite. And it won't work this time around either: Independent economists confirm that Romney's plan wouldn't cut the deficit, or even create a single job now -- in fact, it could slow growth and push us back into recession.

    Today the President laid out a very different vision, one where everyone -- no matter who you are, where you're from, or how big your bank account is -- pitches in together to rebuild the foundations of our country and economy. Instead of another $250,000 tax cut for millionaires, Obama believes we should pay down our debt and invest in the things we know we need to grow the economy and strengthen the middle class. That means restoring and upgrading our crumbling infrastructure, investing in education, paying down our debt responsibly, and yes, asking the wealthiest Americans to pay a little more. This approach requires tough choices and shared sacrifice -- exactly how we built the American economy in the first place.

    As supporters, it's on us to get this message out there.

    Watch the President's speech, and share it with your friends, family -- heck, share it with everyone you know. There's even a helpful printout you can download and pass around:

    http://my.barackobama.com/The-Presidents-Vision

    Thanks,

    David


    -----
    More than 2 million people like you power this campaign. If you can, please donate today.



    I wrote Mr. Axelrod back, telling him, "no, I did not hear the President today. I was working. Does that surprise you?"

    We'll see if he answers back.



  14. Steven Kurta
    Steven Kurta avatar
    2 posts
    6/15/2012 4:06 AM
    tina turner



  15. Peter Bowman
    Peter Bowman avatar
    11 posts
    6/15/2012 7:06 AM
    You sure that's her? Not much leg showing.



  16. McCallum David K
    McCallum David K avatar
    6/15/2012 9:06 AM
    Also in the presidents own words........."if I cannot cut the deficit in half I should not get a second term"...........Jan 09 ......."unemployment will be below 8%".......has exceeded 8% for 40 consecuetive months........."will decrease poverty in this country"........more on food stamps now than any time in our history........and the kicker the average americans net worth has declined 39% since 2008........maybe in the next 4 years.........HOPE and CHANGE ain't the answer.........maybe FORWARD is it.



  17. Peter Bowman
    Peter Bowman avatar
    11 posts
    6/15/2012 10:06 AM
    FORWARD is already behind them. I don't think we'll hear that again from them. It lasted about two days.



  18. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    6/15/2012 10:06 AM
    David McCallum said: Also in the presidents own words........."if I cannot cut the deficit in half I should not get a second term"...........Jan 09 ......."unemployment will be below 8%".......has exceeded 8% for 40 consecuetive months........."will decrease poverty in this country"........more on food stamps now than any time in our history........and the kicker the average americans net worth has declined 39% since 2008........maybe in the next 4 years.........HOPE and CHANGE ain't the answer.........maybe FORWARD is it.


    David, good reasons to look for someone else, but when that someone else is proposing going back to what got us in that mess in 2008, why would we do that?

    While the growth certainly isn't what we had all hoped, and I believe the president should have been a little more forceful with congress and tried to lead them a little more, (although I don't think that is much the president's style, and there are many styles of leadership, just look at how all of us do things differently and still get the job done), I do believe congress especially those on the right should take blame as well. When they wouldn't approve of some of the president's plans they slowed a lot of the recovery as well. And why did they do that? Pure plan and simple, to make the president a one term president. Heck if it was because they didn't believe the policies, and it was me, I would have gone ahead and pushed them through, try to make some changes that I would feel make the plan better, when the policies failed, it would just make it easier to vote him out. That's just my opinion and way of thinking.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  19. Wahlin Scott B
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    6/15/2012 2:06 PM
    [img">http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll284/scottcgcs/gophanger.jpg[/img">



  20. Baker Daniel
    Baker Daniel avatar
    6/22/2012 12:06 PM
    So I'm late arriving to this thread. Here's my $.02

    Gay Marriage -
    Sure why not. Lets try it and if it is true that it is a genetic condition and not a choice then gentics will take care of itself. Gay and Lesbian couples do not procreate and therefore the gene will be bred out of existance.

    Politics -
    Both parties suck. I'll vote for the guy who believes you should get paid what your worth and you should get a job, not get a from the government. The current president got everything he wanted for two years and all we are doing is borrowing more money and handing out more checks than ever before. He called his predecessor "unpatriotic" for $4,000,000,000,000 in debt over eight years and had run up a tab of more than $5.100,000,000,000 in less than four years. Yes, I now believe it is time to Hope for Change.



  21. Wahlin Scott B
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  22. Ronald Conard
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    4 posts
    6/22/2012 4:06 PM
    Daniel Baker said:
    Gay Marriage -
    Sure why not. Lets try it and if it is true that it is a genetic condition and not a choice then gentics will take care of itself. Gay and Lesbian couples do not procreate and therefore the gene will be bred out of existance.




  23. James Schmid
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    1 posts
    6/23/2012 7:06 AM
    Daniel Baker said: So I'm late arriving to this thread. Here's my $.02

    Gay Marriage -
    Sure why not. Lets try it and if it is true that it is a genetic condition and not a choice then gentics will take care of itself. Gay and Lesbian couples do not procreate I think a lot of them actually do procreate. Aritficial insemination, sperm banks, stuff like that and therefore the gene will be bred out of existance.

    Politics -
    Both parties suck. I'll vote for the guy who believes you should get paid what your worth and you should get a job, not get a from the government. The current president got everything he wanted for two years and all we are doing is borrowing more money and handing out more checks than ever before. He called his predecessor "unpatriotic" for $4,000,000,000,000 in debt over eight years and had run up a tab of more than $5.100,000,000,000 in less than four years. Yes, I now believe it is time to Hope for Change.



  24. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    6/24/2012 1:06 PM

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  25. Baker Daniel
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    6/25/2012 4:06 PM
    Thanks for the re-direct Mel,

    Now on to the important stuff
    [img">http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii616/Grassmasterful/a_aaa-Grass-men.jpg[/img">



  26. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    6/25/2012 5:06 PM
    Daniel, reminds me of the Zits cartoon of last week, might have to pull that up and post too.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  27. Wahlin Scott B
    Wahlin Scott B avatar
    6/26/2012 8:06 PM
    This ought to bust some cerebral arteries on the right!

    [youtube">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd_U2mnHqMU[/youtube">



  28. Baker Daniel
    Baker Daniel avatar
    6/27/2012 11:06 AM
    Why not? It's kind of a long read but it should stir the pot sufficiently

    A science professor begins his school year with a lecture to the students, "Let me explain the problem science has with religion." The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand.

    "You're a Christian, aren't you, son?"
    "Yes sir," the student says.

    "So you believe in God?"
    "Absolutely."

    "Is God good?"
    "Sure! God's good."

    "Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?"
    "Yes."

    "Are you good or evil?"
    "The Bible says I'm evil."

    The professor grins knowingly. "Aha! The Bible!" He considers for a moment. "Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?"
    "Yes sir, I would."

    "So you're good...!"
    "I wouldn't say that."

    "But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't."

    The student does not answer, so the professor continues. "He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?"

    The student remains silent.

    "No, you can't, can you?" the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.

    "Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?"
    "Er...yes," the student says.

    "Is Satan good?"
    The student doesn't hesitate on this one. "No."

    "Then where does Satan come from?"
    The student falters. "From God"

    "That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?"
    "Yes, sir."

    "Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?"
    "Yes."

    "So who created evil?" The professor continued, "If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil."

    Again, the student has no answer.
    "Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?"

    The student squirms on his feet. "Yes."

    "So who created them?"

    The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. "Who created them?" There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized. "Tell me," he continues onto another student. "Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?"

    The student's voice betrays him and cracks. "Yes, professor, I do."

    The old man stops pacing. "Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?"
    "No sir. I've never seen Him."

    "Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?"
    "No, sir, I have not."

    "Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?"
    "No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't."

    "Yet you still believe in him?"
    "Yes."

    "According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?"
    "Nothing," the student replies. "I only have my faith."

    "Yes, faith," the professor repeats. "And that is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith."

    The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of His own. "Professor, is there such thing as heat?"
    "Yes," the professor replies. "There's heat."

    "And is there such a thing as cold?"
    "Yes, son, there's cold too."

    "No sir, there isn't."

    The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet.
    The student begins to explain. "You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees."

    "Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it."

    Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer.

    "What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?"
    "Yes," the professor replies without hesitation. "What is night if it isn't darkness?"

    "You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word."

    "In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?"

    The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester. "So what point are you making, young man?"

    "Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed."

    The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. "Flawed? Can you explain how?"

    "You are working on the premise of duality," the student explains. "You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought."

    "It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it."

    "Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?"
    "If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do."

    "Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?"

    The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.

    "Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?"

    The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided.

    "To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean."

    The student looks around the room. "Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?" The class breaks out into laughter.

    "Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir."

    "So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?"

    Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable.

    Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. "I guess you'll have to take them on faith."

    "Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life," the student continues. "Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?"

    Now uncertain, the professor responds, "Of course, there is. We see it everyday. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil."

    To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light."

    The professor sat down.



  29. Ronald Conard
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    4 posts
    6/27/2012 11:06 AM
    Interesting Daniel... so following your logic how is it that Christians can condemn other religions, be it Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, or whatnot, to Hell for worshipping false Gods? I don't think you can have it both ways, right?



  30. James Schmid
    James Schmid avatar
    1 posts
    6/27/2012 11:06 AM
    Daniel Baker said: Why not? It's kind of a long read but it should stir the pot sufficiently

    A science professor begins his school year with a lecture to the students, "Let me explain the problem science has with religion." The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand.

    "You're a Christian, aren't you, son?"
    "Yes sir," the student says.

    "So you believe in God?"
    "Absolutely."

    "Is God good?"
    "Sure! God's good."

    "Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?"
    "Yes."

    "Are you good or evil?"
    "The Bible says I'm evil."

    The professor grins knowingly. "Aha! The Bible!" He considers for a moment. "Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?"
    "Yes sir, I would."

    "So you're good...!"
    "I wouldn't say that."

    "But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't."

    The student does not answer, so the professor continues. "He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?"

    The student remains silent.

    "No, you can't, can you?" the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.

    "Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?"
    "Er...yes," the student says.

    "Is Satan good?"
    The student doesn't hesitate on this one. "No."

    "Then where does Satan come from?"
    The student falters. "From God"

    "That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?"
    "Yes, sir."

    "Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?"
    "Yes."

    "So who created evil?" The professor continued, "If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil."

    Again, the student has no answer.
    "Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?"

    The student squirms on his feet. "Yes."

    "So who created them?"

    The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. "Who created them?" There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized. "Tell me," he continues onto another student. "Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?"

    The student's voice betrays him and cracks. "Yes, professor, I do."

    The old man stops pacing. "Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?"
    "No sir. I've never seen Him."

    "Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?"
    "No, sir, I have not."

    "Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?"
    "No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't."

    "Yet you still believe in him?"
    "Yes."

    "According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?"
    "Nothing," the student replies. "I only have my faith."

    "Yes, faith," the professor repeats. "And that is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith."

    The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of His own. "Professor, is there such thing as heat?"
    "Yes," the professor replies. "There's heat."

    "And is there such a thing as cold?"
    "Yes, son, there's cold too."

    "No sir, there isn't."

    The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet.
    The student begins to explain. "You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees."

    "Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it."

    Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer.

    "What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?"
    "Yes," the professor replies without hesitation. "What is night if it isn't darkness?"

    "You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word."

    "In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?"

    The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester. "So what point are you making, young man?"

    "Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed."

    The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. "Flawed? Can you explain how?"

    "You are working on the premise of duality," the student explains. "You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought."

    "It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it."

    "Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?"
    "If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do."

    "Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?"

    The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.

    "Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?"

    The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided.

    "To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean."

    The student looks around the room. "Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?" The class breaks out into laughter.

    "Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir."

    "So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?"

    Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable.

    Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. "I guess you'll have to take them on faith."

    "Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life," the student continues. "Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?"

    Now uncertain, the professor responds, "Of course, there is. We see it everyday. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil."

    To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light."

    The professor sat down.


    Is that a true story? It sounds made up



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