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  1. Steven Kurta
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    4/12/2012 10:04 PM
    Well, Dennis, I'm glad you're getting things all figured out. You must be pleased with yourself. Nice job.



  2. Dennis Cook
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    4/13/2012 5:04 AM
    Steven Kurta said: Well, Dennis, I'm glad you're getting things all figured out. You must be pleased with yourself. Nice job.


    Well thanks Steve, I'll take the praise cuz its well deserved. Its not too often you get spot on analysis when all you watch is MSNBC or NBC news, so i will be glad to give you some once in a while :D



  3. McCallum David K
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    4/13/2012 6:04 AM
    Wow that thread certainly took a turn for the worse................perhaps all of you should read a book called " In Fifty Years We'll All Be Chicks" by Adam Corralla.........funny read and it will clear all of this up for you guys.



  4. Melvin Waldron
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    4/13/2012 7:04 AM
    Dennis, you left out Secretary of State Clinton, I would suggest that she is a better leader then the two you mention. Heck Condi Rice is a better leader, at least she worked in the White House for 8 years, Clinton seems that she will bow out at the end of this year, your Gov. Palin couldn't even complete one term as Gov. in a state with it seems very little budget problems.

    I know you think you didn't suggest that women can't lead, you were suggestion that men can't because they lost their "manhood", well answer me this question, how can women lead when they don't have "manhood" to begin with? I guess that is my issue, define what manhood is and how it affects leadership.

    Now if you want to say Obama is a poor leader and point to some of his skills, such as "Congress I am wanting to create a health care law that will help out the citizens, and I think it will help our economy as well, since 17% of it is based on health care" Now go to it, compared to "Congress, people are hurting because of the health care cost, this is how I would like to fix it, if something isn't working for you, let me know and lets get together and work out a deal" (I know we can talk about how that whole process worked at another time) That can be a legitimate complaint, but to say the President has lost his manhood? Ask Osama Bin Laden about that, I'm sure Saddam wouldn't question Bush's manhood either, although I would question his leadership (Bush's).

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  5. Andrew Cross
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    4/13/2012 12:04 PM
    Mel,

    It doesn't take a lot of man hood to say kill on sight. Last I checked neither Bush, nor Obama were the ones capturing or executing Saddam or Osama. Their lives weren't at risk like the millions of soldiers in the field. In all honesty I think the easiest decision for those two presidents in their entire political careers was to say kill those two evil men.

    And I think Obama is a terrible leader, he talks about uniting America in his speeches then everything he does is vilify the Republicans. This war on women does not exist, I believe there is a prominent female democratic senator, from Missouri I believe, that even went on record stating that exact thing and that the democrats need to stop it.

    Just my 2 cents, and with inflation may not be worth anything at all.



  6. Melvin Waldron
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    4/13/2012 1:04 PM
    Andrew Cross said: Mel,

    It doesn't take a lot of man hood to say kill on sight. Last I checked neither Bush, nor Obama were the ones capturing or executing Saddam or Osama. Their lives weren't at risk like the millions of soldiers in the field. In all honesty I think the easiest decision for those two presidents in their entire political careers was to say kill those two evil men.

    And I think Obama is a terrible leader, he talks about uniting America in his speeches then everything he does is vilify the Republicans. This war on women does not exist, I believe there is a prominent female democratic senator, from Missouri I believe, that even went on record stating that exact thing and that the democrats need to stop it.

    Just my 2 cents, and with inflation may not be worth anything at all.


    Andrew, I will give you your opinion on my example of showing manhood of the last two presidents, and I concur it is the soldiers out in the field risking everything, (although has it been millions? Maybe over the 10+ years they have been fighting, but such a small percentage of our population.)

    You can have your opinion on President Obama as a leader. I think he has a different leadership style that was more like, "this is what I think we need to accomplish as a country, congress it is your job to come up with something the American people will accept and improves the country." I think his style of leadership would have worked many years ago, as there were many moderates on both sides of the aisles that would have come together. I do think at times I wish he would have stepped up more and delivered his message better and maybe told what he might have been doing behind the scenes.

    In this political climate, we almost need a leader to micromanage things, and even then it will be a tough road. As far as vilifying republicans, that is your opinion, and I do start to see him lay out the choices we get with a republican leading the country compared to him, he is now in campaign mode. But when we want to talk about vilifying people, just look back to when the president took office, from day one republicans were out to make him a one term president. There were many instances that the president I feel caved into the republicans when he was trying to work with them, he extended the Bush, now Obama tax cuts for all, (I personally would have just ended them for everyone, if we are so concerned about debt.) He gave the republicans a lot of what they wanted with the health care reform. The individual mandate (which as history has shown was a republican idea) didn't really become an issue until the tea party jumped on it, then many republicans saw that as a way to align themselves with the base, (my opinion). I understand that with the debt ceiling crisis, it did sound like the president would give into some republican issues, but from reporting I remember he would not follow through to help his base.

    As for my one senator, I think she says some of that about war on women, just to help her re-election chances here in this state. I do agree that the democrats should concentrate more on what they have accomplished on the economy. I do think there is a war on women in some states (my opinion again), they are trying to roll back legislation that had been law for equal pay for equal work? Maybe Wisconsin? But how is it our place to comment on that actually, we should be asking women that question, how do they feel about legislation that forces ultra sounds on someone thinking about an abortion, or not allowing abortions, as Sandy said earlier I believe in another post, that is between her and her god, why is government (led by republicans) interfering with what they might want to consider? And also on that issue, why aren't they doing something about jobs, that's what they ran on in 2010. It is those issues that are being legislated that are aimed directly at women, (well men don't get abortions, or have other such issues) that is being declared as the war on women, maybe that term "war" is the wrong term. Maybe discrimination against women would be more appropriate, but let's hear from the women on the issue.

    And don't forget what started this, someone tied manhood into leadership abilities, I still haven't heard the explanation on that.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  7. Dennis Cook
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    4/13/2012 2:04 PM
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:
    Andrew Cross said: Mel,

    It doesn't take a lot of man hood to say kill on sight. Last I checked neither Bush, nor Obama were the ones capturing or executing Saddam or Osama. Their lives weren't at risk like the millions of soldiers in the field. In all honesty I think the easiest decision for those two presidents in their entire political careers was to say kill those two evil men.

    And I think Obama is a terrible leader, he talks about uniting America in his speeches then everything he does is vilify the Republicans. This war on women does not exist, I believe there is a prominent female democratic senator, from Missouri I believe, that even went on record stating that exact thing and that the democrats need to stop it.

    Just my 2 cents, and with inflation may not be worth anything at all.


    Andrew, I will give you your opinion on my example of showing manhood of the last two presidents, and I concur it is the soldiers out in the field risking everything, (although has it been millions? Maybe over the 10+ years they have been fighting, but such a small percentage of our population.)

    You can have your opinion on President Obama as a leader. I think he has a different leadership style that was more like, "this is what I think we need to accomplish as a country, congress it is your job to come up with something the American people will accept and improves the country." I think his style of leadership would have worked many years ago, as there were many moderates on both sides of the aisles that would have come together. I do think at times I wish he would have stepped up more and delivered his message better and maybe told what he might have been doing behind the scenes.

    In this political climate, we almost need a leader to micromanage things, and even then it will be a tough road. As far as vilifying republicans, that is your opinion, and I do start to see him lay out the choices we get with a republican leading the country compared to him, he is now in campaign mode. But when we want to talk about vilifying people, just look back to when the president took office, from day one republicans were out to make him a one term president. There were many instances that the president I feel caved into the republicans when he was trying to work with them, he extended the Bush, now Obama tax cuts for all, (I personally would have just ended them for everyone, if we are so concerned about debt.) He gave the republicans a lot of what they wanted with the health care reform. The individual mandate (which as history has shown was a republican idea) didn't really become an issue until the tea party jumped on it, then many republicans saw that as a way to align themselves with the base, (my opinion). I understand that with the debt ceiling crisis, it did sound like the president would give into some republican issues, but from reporting I remember he would not follow through to help his base.

    As for my one senator, I think she says some of that about war on women, just to help her re-election chances here in this state. I do agree that the democrats should concentrate more on what they have accomplished on the economy. I do think there is a war on women in some states (my opinion again), they are trying to roll back legislation that had been law for equal pay for equal work? Maybe Wisconsin? But how is it our place to comment on that actually, we should be asking women that question, how do they feel about legislation that forces ultra sounds on someone thinking about an abortion, or not allowing abortions, as Sandy said earlier I believe in another post, that is between her and her god, why is government (led by republicans) interfering with what they might want to consider? And also on that issue, why aren't they doing something about jobs, that's what they ran on in 2010. It is those issues that are being legislated that are aimed directly at women, (well men don't get abortions, or have other such issues) that is being declared as the war on women, maybe that term "war" is the wrong term. Maybe discrimination against women would be more appropriate, but let's hear from the women on the issue.

    And don't forget what started this, someone tied manhood into leadership abilities, I still haven't heard the explanation on that.

    Mel


    Mel,
    The reason manhood got tied into this was because someone on your side of the argument brought up leadership and said leadership is making people feel good. So i brought up a few examples how that gets men into trouble when they try to make everyone feel good. Its not leading to just make people feel good. It wasnt a sexist comment at all, it was simply describing what is happening to a lot of men these days and it inhibits their ability to lead. i didnt say Obama lost his manhood. I actually said in another thread that i praise him for his stance he took in the middle east, to continue the Bush policies. No where did i question his manhood or did I question a womans ability lead. Now i will give you props on one thing, Alaska did not have many budget problems. Sarah Palin was part of the reason for that and she had a lot to do with getting things back in order in that state. So she was a brilliant example of leadership by a woman. Another thing you were right on is that Hillary has more cahoneys than most men :shock:



  8. Stephen Okula
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    4/15/2012 1:04 PM
    *cojones

    From Spanish, an informal word referring to testicles.



  9. Melvin Waldron
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    4/15/2012 5:04 PM
    Dennis Cook said:

    Mel,
    The reason manhood got tied into this was because someone on your side of the argument brought up leadership and said leadership is making people feel good. So i brought up a few examples how that gets men into trouble when they try to make everyone feel good. Its not leading to just make people feel good. It wasnt a sexist comment at all, it was simply describing what is happening to a lot of men these days and it inhibits their ability to lead. i didnt say Obama lost his manhood. I actually said in another thread that i praise him for his stance he took in the middle east, to continue the Bush policies. No where did i question his manhood or did I question a womans ability lead. Now i will give you props on one thing, Alaska did not have many budget problems. Sarah Palin was part of the reason for that and she had a lot to do with getting things back in order in that state. So she was a brilliant example of leadership by a woman. Another thing you were right on is that Hillary has more cahoneys than most men :shock:


    Dennis, I still don't think you have got my point, manhood has nothing to do with leadership, and your example describing what is happening to men and their ability to lead because they are trying to make people feel good is not leadership, is not a sexist comment? Then why make it a point to only accuse men of this problem and how it leads to a lack of leadership? Why didn't you just say, "leadership ability is inhibited by the leader's attempt to just make people feel good"? Take the gender out of it......of course I would still disagree with you in a blanket remark, because there are many effective leaders out there and they all do not subscribe to the same management or leadership style, but that is my opinion.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  10. Dennis Cook
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    4/16/2012 5:04 AM
    Mel,
    Because it was an example that a lot of men can relate to. By trying to make someone feel good it makes the situation worse. Its just a simple example that making someone feel good is not leadership. I didnt bring up the fact that "leadership is making people feel good". I just debunked it and hit it out of the park when i did



  11. Larry Allan
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    4/16/2012 5:04 AM
    Dennis Cook said: Mel,
    Because it was an example that a lot of men can relate to. By trying to make someone feel good it makes the situation worse. Its just a simple example that making someone feel good is not leadership. I didnt bring up the fact that "leadership is making people feel good". I just debunked it and hit it out of the park when i did

    Denise, for the record, it wasn't Mel who said leadership is making people feel good. It was me. I stand by it. May good wasn't the right term. Maybe confident and competent are better terms but in the end if they feel those things they feel good about themselves and in general preform their duties better



  12. McCallum David K
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    4/16/2012 10:04 AM
    I only thought the other day when I made comment about the change in direction of the thread......it has really taken a turn for the worse.....geez. South Fla racial mix and we go from fat broads on the beach to which prez has the biggest gonads..............and Mel you might want to check history but EVERY party out of office immediately says we want to make the guy that just got elected a one term president. This is not headline news.

    Authors footnote: gonads is actually a reference to animal reproductive organs, either testicles or ovaries....jsut for clarification



  13. Melvin Waldron
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    4/16/2012 11:04 AM
    David McCallum said: I only thought the other day when I made comment about the change in direction of the thread......it has really taken a turn for the worse.....geez. South Fla racial mix and we go from fat broads on the beach to which prez has the biggest gonads..............and Mel you might want to check history but EVERY party out of office immediately says we want to make the guy that just got elected a one term president. This is not headline news.

    Authors footnote: gonads is actually a reference to animal reproductive organs, either testicles or ovaries....jsut for clarification


    David, you are probably right about that, but it didn't stop congress from doing their jobs, I'm not the brightest history major, but it would be interesting to compare how much obstruction there has been in the recent congresses compared to others back through history. Heck even Newt's congress got more done working with Slick Willie all the time they were trying to impeach him. I think Speaker Boehner wanted to work with the president, heard on a morning show Sunday that both Boehner and Obama blame it on Cantor (the panel chuckled so I don't know it they were telling the truth or trying to be funny).

    And I guess I didn't help get the thread back on track.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  14. Melvin Waldron
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    4/16/2012 11:04 AM
    Dennis Cook said: Mel,
    Because it was an example that a lot of men can relate to. By trying to make someone feel good it makes the situation worse. Its just a simple example that making someone feel good is not leadership. I didnt bring up the fact that "leadership is making people feel good". I just debunked it and hit it out of the park when i did


    Dennis what did you debunk and foul balls out of play do not count as hitting one out of the park.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  15. Dennis Cook
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    4/16/2012 3:04 PM
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:
    Dennis Cook said: Mel,
    Because it was an example that a lot of men can relate to. By trying to make someone feel good it makes the situation worse. Its just a simple example that making someone feel good is not leadership. I didnt bring up the fact that "leadership is making people feel good". I just debunked it and hit it out of the park when i did


    Dennis what did you debunk and foul balls out of play do not count as hitting one out of the park.

    Mel

    I debunked the fact that I did not attribute men as the only ones who can lead. i was getting the runaround that I was making a sexist type of comment and it was never said that way. That was debunked with several prolific woman leaders and I also stated i used that example specifically because a lot of men could probably relate to that situation and by making there significant other just feel better it did not make the situation any better. Larry said leadership is making people feel better. i said no way and gave this example. You may make your girlfriend feel better, but where in the hell is the leadership in that, there is none. Debunked his theory as well that making people feel better is leadership



  16. McCallum David K
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    4/17/2012 7:04 AM
    One of the better hijackings in recent memory.....now we have baseball analogies, foul balls and balls hit out the park........this has a life of its own..........thanks Scott for starting it.......like the Everyready bunny it keeps going and going. And I keep adding fuel to the fire.



  17. Dennis Cook
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    4/17/2012 8:04 AM
    I know, isn't fun David? Even with all my grammatical errors and emoticons :D



  18. Sandy Clark
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    4/17/2012 9:04 AM
    Someone still has to tell certain women they must not wear a bikini just like any guy should tell a friend that if he dared step out in public wearing a speedo, he should be shot on sight or immediately arrested! Where is the leadership I ask?



  19. Peter Bowman
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    4/17/2012 10:04 AM
    Stand up comedian Sinbad was the greatest at that

    "Honey, does this bikini make me look fat?"

    Never answer that question. You can't win.



  20. Dennis Cook
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    4/17/2012 12:04 PM
    Peter Bowman, CGCS said: Stand up comedian Sinbad was the greatest at that

    "Honey, does this bikini make me look fat?"

    Never answer that question. You can't win.


    Uh No, its your fat that makes you look fat, has nuttin to do with your bikini



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