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  1. Wahlin Scott B
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    4/6/2012 7:04 PM
    There is a field next to my house where the neighborhood kids play ball. My neighborhood is a pretty evenly split between blacks, whites and Hispanics. I watch the children play. They have been playing together for so long they do not understand the color thing. The parents understand racism, but it is behind them as far as where they live is concerned. The neighborhood priority is keeping these kids safe, off drugs and moving in the right direction. I know the kids and I know the parents. Those kids know if they mess up and I tell their parents there will be hell to pay. Study, watch your mouth and don't dis the old white dude.

    The racial issues in this country need to end before we can realize our ultimate greatness.



  2. Dennis Cook
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    4/7/2012 7:04 AM
    They wont end as long as you keep saying comments like dont dis the old white dude :D

    They also wont know racism until its introduced to them. I know the left does a pretty good job of pointing out different races and keeps the race card goin, where as the right is the one who always has to defend against it when in reality we are looking out for everyone and dont see color as a problem.



  3. Larry Allan
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    4/7/2012 10:04 AM
    Wow Dennis, you continue to amaze!



  4. Steven Kurta
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    4/8/2012 7:04 AM
    [quote">"Looking out for everyone"

    CODE?

    If I didn't think you were serious, Dennis, I would've believed you were making a clever pun.
    But, nah. Unfortunately you were serious. Awesome, and as Pale mentions, amazing.



  5. Dennis Cook
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    4/9/2012 5:04 AM
    Steven Kurta said: [quote">"Looking out for everyone"


    CODE?

    If I didn't think you were serious, Dennis, I would've believed you were making a clever pun.
    But, nah. Unfortunately you were serious. Awesome, and as Pale mentions, amazing.

    Well guys,

    Unfortunately I am serious and you lefties have such a great way to turn that around as racism. Scott's post started off so nice talking about the kids, but turned to pure identity based on color by the end. I didnt say it, he did. He said dont dis the old white dude. What difference does the color of his skin make? Answer me that question. You can't. Why did he bring skin color into the mix? He talked about how kids dont recognize it, but then he totally blows it by saying dont dis the white dude. Thats where the race card comes from, from seeing them as black and white instead of just people, as kids playing. Who cares what color there skin is, they are people. Who cares what color Scott's skin is. How about don't dis Mr. Wahlin? You guys amaze me that you try to turn this around on me when I point something out that is blatantly obvious, but you guys are blind to it. The left is so good at playing identity politics, that when they do it, its ok, and they look to call conservatives racist as often as they can. Im clearly pointing out that Scott said we need to get past all this, but yet he said dont dis the old white dude. How can you get past it, when you clearly throw race right back into the mix with a comment like that.



  6. Larry Allan
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    4/9/2012 7:04 AM
    Wow Dennis, you continue to amaze!



  7. Sandy Clark
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    4/9/2012 10:04 AM
    Larry, for historical purposes it should be noted that the so-called tolerant left were the politicians that fought hardest against integration. At the time, southern democrats had far more KKK members than the republicans. It took heavy republican voting to get LBJ's integration efforts through congress. Good old Robert Byrd and Al Gore's dad and others fought against equality tooth and nail! It is funny that you hear about a couple of the old long gone republicans being racists early in their careers but Bryd was always held in high esteem when he supposedly rejected segregation. The press and the democrat party is always the first to play the race card when in fact, the republicans offer equal opportunity to succeed. Remember, Lincoln was a republican.



  8. Dennis Cook
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    4/9/2012 12:04 PM
    Larry Allan said: Wow Dennis, you continue to amaze!


    Yes i should continue to amaze, my analysis of Scotts post is brilliant, but the thing that should amaze you the most, is that I have the cahoneys to point it out. The simple fact is, Scott said we need to get past all this and then injected color back into the mix by saying what he said. Just the facts. Just saying



  9. Larry Allan
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    4/9/2012 1:04 PM
    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: Larry, for historical purposes it should be noted that the so-called tolerant left were the politicians that fought hardest against integration. At the time, southern democrats had far more KKK members than the republicans. It took heavy republican voting to get LBJ's integration efforts through congress. Good old Robert Byrd and Al Gore's dad and others fought against equality tooth and nail! It is funny that you hear about a couple of the old long gone republicans being racists early in their careers but Bryd was always held in high esteem when he supposedly rejected segregation. The press and the democrat party is always the first to play the race card when in fact, the republicans offer equal opportunity to succeed. Remember, Lincoln was a republican.

    As my buddy D=Mc2 pointed out to me once, his parents used to be Democrats (may have been grandparents) but ya political parties do change. From what I read, (and that may say more about what I read than what is necessarily the case)it looks to me that the conservatives are the ones who lack tolerance of others with an opposing view, be it race related or women's reproductive rights.
    Hey, I don't live down there so I can only go by what I read, that is how it looks. To be honest I'm not overly impressed with Obama. His leadership skills don't seem to come close to his campaigning skills. Leadership is a lot more than making things happen. Leadership is about making a nation feel good about itself and I don't see that has happened
    Like, it seems that the only way to power down there these days is to have the money, not the ideas. That to me is the biggest shame. Instead of running these high cost, most money wins, republican primaries (or whatever you call them)why don't they just say, we are holding our convention on such and such a date at this town. People say they are going to run for leader and you have a vote after seeing them speak. Last man standing gets the job.
    That is how our parties elect a leader and we end up with normal humans who may be accountants or plumbers or farmers as leaders. The kind of money it takes in your system means you have eliminated just about all except the outrageously wealthy.... and their perspective may be completely out of whack with who they govern
    I've wondered way off topic, so to some it up, to me it "looks" like democrats are more tolerant than republicans



  10. Dennis Cook
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    4/9/2012 3:04 PM
    If leadership was making a nation feel good about itself, we are in huge trouble.

    Sure Johnny 2+2 is 5, wow you did such a great job, you should feel so good about yourself :lol:

    If i did that with the crew, no one would learn how to do anything right, but we would all feel good about ourselves and maybe sing koombya at lunch and we would have the happiest members on the planet



  11. Sandy Clark
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    4/9/2012 4:04 PM
    Larry, the press and Obama are trying to make a women's issue out of this thing. George Stephanopolus (or however you spell his name?) brought up birth control as an issue in a GOP debate. Romney rightfully looked at him like he was an idiot wondering what that had to do with anything. Rowe v Wade can only be over turned by the Supreme Court but people are allowed to have opinions about it. Personally, I think killing an unborn child is a pretty extreme form of birth control. If you are going to have sex, get on the pill and the guys should buy condoms! Pregnancy is pretty easy to avoid. If you want to abort a child due to health issues, that is between you and God, not me. I think it is the wrong choice but that is up to the individual according to the court. I admire the Santorum's and Palin's that have the strength to deal with challenges they new were coming. Santorum spoke of birth control from a personal religious belief. He clearly stated he would not impose his belief on others. Funny how the press missed that part of his comments. Republican men do not hold views that are harmful to women. That is a myth. Would it be better for the wife to stay home with the kids? Absolutely, but that doesn't make it economically feasible. I think the republican women are probably more in the main stream of overall thinking as are the men. Obama has nothing to run on and the press is willing to play lead blocker for him by trying to create non issues. The war on women is on the top of the phony list!



  12. Wahlin Scott B
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    4/9/2012 7:04 PM
    Dennis Cook said: They wont end as long as you keep saying comments like dont dis the old white dude :D

    They also wont know racism until its introduced to them. I know the left does a pretty good job of pointing out different races and keeps the race card goin, where as the right is the one who always has to defend against it when in reality we are looking out for everyone and dont see color as a problem.


    I am an old white man. That is just a fact. How can that be construed as being a racist comment? I think most conservatives have just agreed to be disagreeable.



  13. Melvin Waldron
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    4/9/2012 9:04 PM
    Sandy,

    I was down south in 78-79 when I first registered to vote, I registered republican only because I liked Nixon (heck I wasn't even a teenager at the time) because he said he would bring the guys home from Vietnam, then I liked Ford. I don't even remember if I voted for Carter or Regan, I was heavy into local politics because kids I went to school with had their father running for Sheriff, at that time everyone ran as a democrat, hardly anyone ran as a republican, (sort of the opposite here in the Ozarks). Well, since I was a registered republican, I couldn't vote in the primary and our man lost. I couldn't participate so I switched parties. It stayed like that until I left for NJ in 88, it was after that when it switched down south. I have heard a couple of reasons why, but I don't remember the reason at the moment.

    I like your stance on abortion, so why do most republicans what to pass laws against it? They want government to force people to not make that choice. Yet when the government wants to mandate health care, they blow a gasket. Let people make their choice and then let them live with it. Just my opinion.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  14. Jon Gansen
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    4/9/2012 11:04 PM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said:
    Dennis Cook said: They wont end as long as you keep saying comments like dont dis the old white dude :D

    They also wont know racism until its introduced to them. I know the left does a pretty good job of pointing out different races and keeps the race card goin, where as the right is the one who always has to defend against it when in reality we are looking out for everyone and dont see color as a problem.


    I am an old white man. That is just a fact. How can that be construed as being a racist comment? I think most conservatives have just agreed to be disagreeable.


    I agree with you Scott there is nothing racist about your post, but in a room full of different races you being the only white man it would be. ( old white dude demanding respect from you people)



  15. Dennis Cook
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    4/10/2012 5:04 AM
    Scott, if you didnt bring racial mix into the issue at first and say we need to get past all the color issues, you simply cannot inject it back in with your comment and expect your original point to have credibility. It is rather hypocritical



  16. Larry Allan
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    4/10/2012 6:04 AM
    Dennis Cook said: If leadership was making a nation feel good about itself, we are in huge trouble.

    Sure Johnny 2+2 is 5, wow you did such a great job, you should feel so good about yourself :lol:

    If i did that with the crew, no one would learn how to do anything right, but we would all feel good about ourselves and maybe sing koombya at lunch and we would have the happiest members on the planet


    Regan made your nation feel good about itself. I don't think Obama is doing a good job at it.
    I try to make my crew feel good about themselves. I'm quite proud of the number of people who return year after year because they enjoy working here. It has nothing to do with a group hug at lunch time. It has solely to do with motivating employees by explaining how their work affects the enjoyment of the game for the people who employ them. Certain people may not respond so you weed them out. Those who get it appreciate it
    If leadership to you is barking out orders and chastising every little error, go for it



  17. Larry Allan
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    4/10/2012 6:04 AM
    "If you want to abort a child due to health issues, that is between you and God, not me. I think it is the wrong choice but that is up to the individual according to the court."

    Sandy, on that we can agree.



  18. McCallum David K
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    4/10/2012 10:04 AM
    Red.......thanks for the buddy comment.....makes me feel like a democrat all warm and fuzzy inside.......just kidding Sgt Preston of the Yukon..........it was my parents. Dad told me once he was born a democrat but would die a republican and he did. Have always been a Republican in a state that for years it was useless to be one. No republicans ever ran for anything. The change began in the mid to late 80's. Stevie O and I have had a running debate for years about both the death penalty and abortion ( I call it was it is, not a nicey term like choice). I would gladly give up the death penalty for legalized abortion without a doubt. The dp eats up more money in appeals than the guy is worth and just as soon leave him with life + 99 yrs.........I can live with that. As a catholic I oppose abortion. We all know what sex is, how it occurs and the consquences of sex.......or should anyway, a law student at Georgetown seems to be confused but I digress...........though I oppose it it should not ever been a deal breaker for republicans, the party or it's platform. In the long run as Sandy said its between you and your god if you believe.......if not just a bady killer I guess like the left called us coming home from Vietnam.
    I am still confused since this topic is racial mix why we got on abortion but we often hijack threads......it's fun. But back on racial mix, why is the press wants to call Zimmerman a white (father) hispanic (mother).......have never ever hear that term used anywhere. If that is the case why is our president not called a black (father) white (mother) man. If one can be a white hispanic it makes sense the other is a black white man right?



  19. Wahlin Scott B
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    4/10/2012 10:04 AM
    In Cuba they have white Cubans and Afro Cubans. The leaders and wealthy tended to be the white Cubans.

    Racism in my mind is discrimination against someone because of their race and/or culture, not acknowledging that different races and/or cultures exist. Employees with the City of Boynton Beach are required to take a seminar in Cultural Competency. I was shocked at how they pointed out that there are differences in races and cultures. It seemed like sterotyping to me, but hey if that is what they call Cultural Diversity I will take their word for it.

    The seminar director was black and asked a white guy to shake hands. They did. A short time later he asked a black guy to shake hands. They shook hands but they also embraced. Then the director made the point that, "I knew he was going to do that. It is our culture." Then he told a story about how he coached a baseball team and there were three black coaches and one white. The white coach finally asked why they didn't embrace him that way, so after that they did.

    He also told a story about how his next door neighbor installed a pool in his yard. The white neighbor kept telling the black director how he should do like he did, take out a second mortgage and buy a pool. To that the director said that black people do not want unsolicited advice. It offends them. I did not grow up in his culture, so I will take his word for it.

    So the point is, it is not racist to be aware that and tolerant of other people who do not see the world the same as you do.



  20. Dennis Cook
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    4/11/2012 5:04 AM
    Larry Allan said:
    Dennis Cook said: If leadership was making a nation feel good about itself, we are in huge trouble.

    Sure Johnny 2+2 is 5, wow you did such a great job, you should feel so good about yourself :lol:

    If i did that with the crew, no one would learn how to do anything right, but we would all feel good about ourselves and maybe sing koombya at lunch and we would have the happiest members on the planet


    Regan made your nation feel good about itself. I don't think Obama is doing a good job at it.
    I try to make my crew feel good about themselves. I'm quite proud of the number of people who return year after year because they enjoy working here. It has nothing to do with a group hug at lunch time. It has solely to do with motivating employees by explaining how their work affects the enjoyment of the game for the people who employ them. Certain people may not respond so you weed them out. Those who get it appreciate it
    If leadership to you is barking out orders and chastising every little error, go for it


    Larry,

    Leadership is about guidance and motivation towards a common goal. Where did I say its about barking orders and chastising every little error? In actuallity, im very easy going, I never yell at people, but I teach them. I teach them how to do the job correctly and then applaud them. For most employees, the good feelings come from achieving the task and doing it well and providing a great overall product as a team. If all a person had to do to be a good leader was make someone feel good, we would have rampant lying and manipulation going on everywhere, because the goal would be to make them feel good rather than help them be accomplished and acquire their positive feelings through their own doing and performance. A leader helps them to achieve the task, not just make them feel good about themselves.

    You ever see that woman on the beach who should just not wear a bikini? Well some well to do boyfriend or husband is probably telling her she looks great and making her feel good about herself, instead of leading her toward a suit that accents her better qualities and detracts from the not so good ones. In the first situation he made her feel good about herself, but there was absolutely no leadership. The second scenario, without chastising her, achieved a better result for them and the feeling that woman had was much more positive. The leadership here would be subtle, but the results are far better and the goal up front wasnt to just make her feel good. You can end up with a lot of poor results if you just want to make people feel good. Leadership is about motivation and teaching so we can achieve a common goal.



  21. Wahlin Scott B
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    4/11/2012 6:04 AM
    Dennis Cook said: You ever see that woman on the beach who should just not wear a bikini? Well some well to do boyfriend or husband is probably telling her she looks great and making her feel good about herself, instead of leading her toward a suit that accents her better qualities and detracts from the not so good ones. In the first situation he made her feel good about herself, but there was absolutely no leadership. The second scenario, without chastising her, achieved a better result for them and the feeling that woman had was much more positive. The leadership here would be subtle, but the results are far better and the goal up front wasnt to just make her feel good. You can end up with a lot of poor results if you just want to make people feel good. Leadership is about motivation and teaching so we can achieve a common goal.


    I do not mean to be controversial, but that is without a doubt the very worst example of leadership I have ever read.



  22. Clay Putnam
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    4/11/2012 6:04 AM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said:
    Dennis Cook said: You ever see that woman on the beach who should just not wear a bikini? Well some well to do boyfriend or husband is probably telling her she looks great and making her feel good about herself, instead of leading her toward a suit that accents her better qualities and detracts from the not so good ones. In the first situation he made her feel good about herself, but there was absolutely no leadership. The second scenario, without chastising her, achieved a better result for them and the feeling that woman had was much more positive. The leadership here would be subtle, but the results are far better and the goal up front wasnt to just make her feel good. You can end up with a lot of poor results if you just want to make people feel good. Leadership is about motivation and teaching so we can achieve a common goal.


    I do not mean to be controversial,..."


    Say wha?



  23. Melvin Waldron
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    4/11/2012 9:04 PM
    Dennis Cook said:
    You ever see that woman on the beach who should just not wear a bikini? Well some well to do boyfriend or husband is probably telling her she looks great and making her feel good about herself, instead of leading her toward a suit that accents her better qualities and detracts from the not so good ones. In the first situation he made her feel good about herself, but there was absolutely no leadership. The second scenario, without chastising her, achieved a better result for them and the feeling that woman had was much more positive. The leadership here would be subtle, but the results are far better and the goal up front wasnt to just make her feel good. You can end up with a lot of poor results if you just want to make people feel good. Leadership is about motivation and teaching so we can achieve a common goal.


    1. I thought beauty is in the eye of the beholder?
    2. Dennis your not married are you?

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  24. Dennis Cook
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    4/12/2012 5:04 AM
    I am married and the reason I chose that as an example is because more often than not leadership starts at home. If you dont have the ability to be a leader in the area where you are the most and all you want to do is make everyone feel good, your results are going to have a direct impact on those you love. Then its going to carry over into your employment and the other areas of your life. I said in my previous post that if we want to make people feel good, there would be a bunch of lying and such and that is a perfect example of how making someone feel good is a detriment to the overall situation. You think its a horrible example of leadership because it may be to simple for you to understand. Just making someone feel good is possibly the worst example of leadership that could ever grace these pages.



  25. Larry Allan
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    4/12/2012 6:04 AM
    Denise.....ummm, well no...ok hold back, take a deep breath...push delete



  26. Dennis Cook
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    4/12/2012 12:04 PM
    it was also an example of how our male population have lost a lot of their manhood and run around basing their life on "FEELINGS" and being in touch with their feminine side. A true example of reduction of leadership



  27. Wahlin Scott B
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    4/12/2012 12:04 PM
    Dennis Cook said: it was also an example of how our male population have lost a lot of their manhood and run around basing their life on "FEELINGS" and being in touch with their feminine side. A true example of reduction of leadership


    I have two failed marriages, so who am I to talk, but I have never known a woman who would have responded well to, "You don't look good in a bikini."



  28. Melvin Waldron
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    4/12/2012 12:04 PM
    Dennis Cook said: it was also an example of how our male population have lost a lot of their manhood and run around basing their life on "FEELINGS" and being in touch with their feminine side. A true example of reduction of leadership


    Dennis,

    What does manhood, or loss there of, have to do with a reduction of leadership? By your logic, a women could never be president? A women can't even lead a company? Maybe a women shouldn't be a superintendent?

    Let me tell you this Dennis, I know a few women superintendents and I have the utmost respect for their leadership skills, I would have to say they are better leaders then I am, and better superintendents as well.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  29. Jon Gansen
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    4/12/2012 3:04 PM
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:
    Dennis Cook said: it was also an example of how our male population have lost a lot of their manhood and run around basing their life on "FEELINGS" and being in touch with their feminine side. A true example of reduction of leadership


    Dennis,

    What does manhood, or loss there of, have to do with a reduction of leadership? By your logic, a women could never be president? A women can't even lead a company? Maybe a women shouldn't be a superintendent?

    Let me tell you this Dennis, I know a few women superintendents and I have the utmost respect for their leadership skills, I would have to say they are better leaders then I am, and better superintendents as well.

    Mel



    Men are becoming less manly and women less feminine. Women are doing like you said Mel working just as hard as a man and doing what use to be mans work. Unfortunately men are being feminized more and more. For years the feminist movement has seen to that. Obama has stirred up racial, feminist, as in the latest that republicans have a war on women. And in my opinion he has shown very little leadership. (Always Bushes fault)



  30. Dennis Cook
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    4/12/2012 4:04 PM
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:
    Dennis Cook said: it was also an example of how our male population have lost a lot of their manhood and run around basing their life on "FEELINGS" and being in touch with their feminine side. A true example of reduction of leadership


    Dennis,

    What does manhood, or loss there of, have to do with a reduction of leadership? By your logic, a women could never be president? A women can't even lead a company? Maybe a women shouldn't be a superintendent?

    Let me tell you this Dennis, I know a few women superintendents and I have the utmost respect for their leadership skills, I would have to say they are better leaders then I am, and better superintendents as well.

    Mel


    I agree with you 100% Mel, there are a lot of great women leaders. Geez I didnt say anything about a woman not being able to lead. A lot of woman in this country have more cahoneys than a lot of men do. How about Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachman? Oooh thats a sore spot with you guys. At least one woman will tell the other woman that she looks like shit in a particular swimsuit. But a lot of men wont, because they are all about making people feel good about themselves. See my example was so good, that its got you guys all in a tif. it just shows where america is going as long as we dont teach people to be leaders and we worry about everyones feelings all the time



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