Forum Groups

 

Forums / Talking it Over / Why I wish we would stop using the term: "Sustainability"

Why I wish we would stop using the term: "Sustainability"

33 posts
  1. Sean Remington
    Sean Remington avatar
    0 posts
    11/15/2012 9:11 AM
    It's the U N Agenda 21 and it's a VERY slippery slope.

    enjoy:
    http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/videos.html



  2. Tyler Daniels
    Tyler Daniels avatar
    1 posts
    11/15/2012 10:11 AM
    If you want your internet to freeze up click on this link.



  3. Larry Stowell
    Larry Stowell avatar
    0 posts
    11/15/2012 10:11 AM
    Here is another discussion of agenda 21:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21



  4. Ronald Conard
    Ronald Conard avatar
    4 posts
    11/15/2012 1:11 PM
    Tyler Daniels said: If you want your internet to freeze up click on this link.


    Sounds inviting. What paranoia are they schlepping on it?



  5. Steven Kurta
    Steven Kurta avatar
    2 posts
    11/15/2012 7:11 PM
    The Benghazi witch hunt is going nowhere..this is one of the few conspiracy theories left, Ron.
    Take it easy on 'em. They're still wound pretty tight.



  6. James Schmid
    James Schmid avatar
    1 posts
    11/15/2012 9:11 PM
    I totally agree. Working with other countries to make the world suck less is wack.



  7. Steven Kurta
    Steven Kurta avatar
    2 posts
    11/15/2012 9:11 PM
    James Schmid said: I totally agree. Working with other countries to make the world suck less is wack.


    Wait what? You mean work with like foreigners and stuff? NO WAY.
    That's just going to get people accepting the fact that we live on a finite piece of rock that is running out of space and usable water and that maybe there's a starting point to begin talking about how we'll be doing it over the next 200 years. Crazy talk!

    BUY RATIONS NOW
    http://www.foodinsurance.com/beck?gclid=CJP-9cfI0rMCFUKd4Aod82oAxQ

    PROTECT YOUR FAMILY - THE REST OF THE IDIOTS HAD THEIR CHANCE, NOW IT"S JUST YOU VERSUS THE WORLD!
    http://www.atlassurvivalshelters.com/



  8. Steven Kurta
    Steven Kurta avatar
    2 posts
    11/15/2012 10:11 PM
    This picture reminds me of how I feel the United States is becoming if we keep distancing ourselves from the rest of the world. And in a smaller sense, this is how I see the Tea Party/survivalist/militia-type/constitutionalist/ "patriot" who just can't see that the world is changing with or without their blessing. Eventually you'll have to swim with the rest of us -- else in the end, you'll just be in a prison of your own design.



  9. Steven Kurta
    Steven Kurta avatar
    2 posts
    11/16/2012 5:11 AM
    Back to your point though, Sean, I feel the exact opposite. I wish we'd use the term more.
    As for Agenda 21, we're *all* here together, that's everyone -- and will be in some way shape or form until the sun eats the earth. Better to learn to deal with each other peacefully sooner than violently later.



  10. Sandy Clark
    Sandy Clark avatar
    0 posts
    11/16/2012 11:11 AM
    When Yellowstone blows or we get hit by an asteroid, sustainability won't really matter. We will be back to only about 75,000 people who survive worldwide. That is when sustainability will really matter! I don't think the word is as important as our actions. If we all just make sure we do the right thing in every action we take, we will go a long way in cutting pollution, waste and reducing our over use of water and other natural resources. In some ways I think we have gone backward. I see more litter now than I did a few years ago. Everybody can control that! Thank goodness our water and air is cleaner than any point in the history of modern man and we can still do more. If we can finally become totally sustainable with our own power sources, we will be much better off. The all of the above choices on gas and oil, clean coal, solar, wind, nuclear, ocean waves and all the rest should be pursued. With a broad menu of sources, we will reduce dependence on any one of the natural resources. We may have a tough time going fully electric with vehicles but hybrids are getting tremendous mileage. If more individuals could afford solar on their houses, it would be a great drop in use of fossil fuels. These are all just common sense ways of practicing sustainability and probably millions more exist.



  11. Sean Remington
    Sean Remington avatar
    0 posts
    11/16/2012 1:11 PM
    I know I shouldn't be so alarmist. I'm sure if we were losing our individual rights and freedoms someone we could all trust would stand up and tell us. I'm sure if our Country was losing it sovereignty and letting more control go over to an organization like the United Nations somebody would stand up and tell about it before it was way to late. After all, you guys are right: we all just need to get along and share what we have with everyone. It's not right that we Americans live in such opulence while some people in the world still live in shacks. Besides if there was really anything bad I'm sure President Obama would be the one standing up and telling us the truth. After all he tells us that his is the most transparent administration ever. His is so transparent that I'm sure if the President enjoyed something like the game of golf he would be sure to tell us about it. He would tell everyone why he like the game and why he is able to schedule his time so that he can have time to play golf. Possibly golf helps him deal with the stress of being in his office? He would tell us, right? Surely something as healthy and harmless as the President playing golf would not be something to keep from the masses, would it? How many of you would be shocked to hear the President played well over 100 rounds of golf in his first term? Why won't he tell somebody about it? He could help our industry out. Unfortunately he won't and instead he keeps his interest in golf just a quiet as his interest in smoking. So there you go guys, he treats us the same as he does tobacco farmers. So maybe he is not the one to tell us all that is going on?



  12. Trevor Monreal
    Trevor Monreal avatar
    5 posts
    11/16/2012 2:11 PM
    What's this about Benghazi??
    I thought that whole thing was about some dumb video clip.
    Oh wait...no the President called it an act of terroism the very next day.
    But wait...now he says he, The White House, sent out Ambassador Rice (even though she had nothing to do with Benghazi) to make a presentation, based on intelligence, about the video...
    Oh well, that's all I could dig up in two seconds



  13. Sean Remington
    Sean Remington avatar
    0 posts
    11/16/2012 6:11 PM
    this is from Fox news and Dick Morris so I know that some of you will dismiss it off hand, as does the President. anyway here it is if you will read it? :

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/10/ ... Americans/



  14. Sean Remington
    Sean Remington avatar
    0 posts
    11/16/2012 6:11 PM
    Sorry that last link did not work. Try this:

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/10/ ... americans/



  15. Spotts David A
    Spotts David A avatar
    11/17/2012 8:11 AM
    Sean, that link did some crazy things to my computer. finally the story popped up and I am just wondering about where he got this idea. In Obama's first term everyone who stood by Fox news and Rush when they said he was gonna take away your guns, deliver control of our country to the UN, we would become Europe, on and on ad infinitum. Didn't the right learn anything about Fox news in this election? If you watched them exclusively for 2 months, Romney was gonna pull off the victory that Obama did. No wonder you were all amazed when that didn't happen. Most, I guess you would say "liberal media" because they are not Fox, had it close with Obama on top. In my opinion, many of these ideas are thrown out there for ratings and to sell books and it works for that, but as a real world view, I just don't see it. The only newscast that seems to actually be fair and balanced on Fox is Shepherd Smith. Just my opinion. Rove would have been better off paying all that super pac money to help the country. At least he would have gotten good publicity out of it. The Millionairs that contributed to that effort would have some money left over if they would have just gone along with paying a little more in taxes. Personally, I hope that if the tea party keeps influencing the GOP, and they will because the Koch brothers have plenty of $ left over,the party will become extinct as the the old white fatcats that run it. It looks however like most of the GOP has realized that they must change somewhat. That would be good for the two party system. It remains to be seen if that change in outlook is just words because their actions will speak louder.



  16. Ronald Conard
    Ronald Conard avatar
    4 posts
    11/17/2012 9:11 AM
    Sean Remington said: this is from Fox news and Dick Morris so I know that some of you will dismiss it off hand, as does the President. anyway here it is if you will read it? :

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/10/ ... Americans/


    Sounds like he is trying to sell his book. So you trust a guy trying to sell something?

    Here's another version of the issue. Who do you believe? As usually the truth probably resides somewhere in the middle.

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/10/11/why-is-the-hill-publishing-dick-morris-un-obama/190559



  17. Sean Remington
    Sean Remington avatar
    0 posts
    11/17/2012 12:11 PM
    You guys keep taking this into places I don't really want to get into, that's fine I guess. The primary objective was to bring up the existence of the United Nations Agenda 21. If you don't agree that it exists that's fine but it does. What it means and what it's doing is probably open to interpretation. I only used the Morris piece to show that those treaties exist that if ratified would hurt the USA, in my opinion. My comments about Obama and golf are a simple way of illustrating that even the President is not completely honest about what he does. If he can't be honest about a game then where does that leave us?



  18. Steven Kurta
    Steven Kurta avatar
    2 posts
    11/17/2012 7:11 PM
    Sean Remington said: You guys keep taking this into places I don't really want to get into, that's fine I guess.


    I think the more varied news and information sources we read and look for, the better informed we become.
    One-sided or agenda-driven sources cause us to be poorly-informed and risk us making poorly informed decisions, or worse, assumptions. See the Republicans during the presidential race. Blinders.

    I was reading about bias in the media (trying to understand why conservatives are having such a hard time and seem to blame everything but their own policies and prejudices) and how it affects public opinion -- found an interesting post on debate.org. It sheds more light on my point:

    [quote">"Bias" is such a biased term.

    If I can offer a new perspective, I often feel as if the media is not pursuing any particular political agenda. This goes for Fox NEWS and MSNBC, as well. (I said that on purpose.)

    I've worked with radio, television and film media, as well as print journalism – and I have come away with an even more depressing view of our information media: they are lazy.

    News and information media has become a for-profit enterprise, and has incorporated very large doses of corporate advertising and entertainment that it presents as "news." Most journalists copy and paste all their articles, virtually word for word, and nobody resists the will of advertisers or editors.

    The result: it starts to look as if the politics of advertisers has trumped all else. My take: Reporters are not doing their jobs as journalists; they are working for advertisers.

    Therefore, the "best" unbiased news and information sources are the ones that are barely funded, such as NPR, and PBS. I often trust Reuters, as well. Remember, blogs and podcasts answer to donors – and will inevitably treat these contributors in the same way that big outlets treat advertisers.

    Personally, I'd add Christian Science Monitor, Wall Street Journal (because "money has no master") to the list of trustable sources. Say what you want about NPR and PBS, they never run programs or hosts that have agendas. If you can find evidence of it, let me know. They just report what happened and leave the political innuendo out of it.



  19. James Prusa
    James Prusa avatar
    1 posts
    11/17/2012 9:11 PM
    Here is a link to an actual documented case claim by a golf course to be a "SUSTAINABLE" golf course here in Asia. You can read and review. Look at the data on nutrients and other claims to have achieved sustainable mitigation. To start with, has anyone ever heard, seen or been told of such "Recommended" fertilizer rates in the golf industry that appear in the section: "1.11 Fertilizer Application" and the associated graphs? I would love to hear comments from of a the group on the data contained in this document that claims great achievements in "sustainability." This is real life stuff. In all of my career I have never come across such data on application of chemicals etc. This document will now be viewed and used by national and regional governments in Asia and there is an effort afoot to stimulate regulation. What recommendation can you provide to me on dealing with it? Please appreciate that I have nothing to do with this claim, award or position paper and will keep my professional opinions embargoed for now. 8-)

    The 'sustainable' case document.
    http://prusaassociates.com/Sustainable/ ... e_Golf.doc
    And the author:
    http://law.nus.edu.sg/admissions/phd_st ... .asp?ID=10
    http://prusaassociates.com/Sustainable/ ... z_Pana.pdf
    And the new Award (See scheduled award at 09:00 AM):
    http://www.golfconference.org/programme/apgs-day-1/
    And a new sustainability declaration being promoted:
    http://prusaassociates.com/Sustainable/ ... roll-1.pdf

    I am only passing along information and am not advocating in this matter at all. I simply want to hear the opinions of industry professionals on this and your thoughts on its impacts to the game and business of golf. You may also privately email to: jgp@alumni-gsb.stanford.edu or jimprusa@hotmail.com
    Thank you,
    James Prusa

    To help in your analysis and review of the data, here is a quick conversion:
    Imperial / Metric Conversions:
    Pounds: per 1,000 square feet = Grams per square meter
    1.00 lbs / Kft2 = 4.88 grams / M2
    Grams: per square meter = Pounds: per 1,000 square feet
    1.00 grams / M2 = 0.20 lbs / Kft2



  20. Steve Nelson
    Steve Nelson avatar
    0 posts
    11/19/2012 9:11 AM
    I had never heard of Agenda 21 until this election season. Interestingly it was in our local city council race that a couple of tea party candidates were spouting off on it, claiming it would destroy our qualtiy of life in lovely suburbia (I live in tea party central). They were quite enthusiastic about it. They also ran on a term limits platform, presumably because it's tea party philosophy and also because our council incumbants have served a long time. Well, despite the demographics that I'm sure they thought would favor them, they got thumped in the election with most people thinking they were crazies.



  21. Steven Kurta
    Steven Kurta avatar
    2 posts
    11/19/2012 11:11 AM
    This is the danger the tea party faces going forward -- too extreme, too fringe. They end up so enraged over issues they've convinced themselves are important that they completely forget that they come off as paranoid delusionals.
    When you point out that they're being unreasonable they accuse you of being part of the problem instead of engaging with you or backing up their claims with evidence. When faced with lack of evidence, they blame media
    bias for not covering it. So, everyone's wrong but them because nobody agrees with them. It's comical. They'll kill themselves with their own venom and hate and everyone is just going to let them.
    But hey! Look who's got a new fiction 'novel' coming out today ON AGENDA 21...Glenn Beck! What a coincidence!
    Put on your best conspiracy-seeking, skeptics cap and ask yourself why would you be hearing so much about it
    on rightwing radio right now? Riiiight, because they care about Merka.
    No surprising, just hard to stomach people are actually hearing it and going "yeah, I can see that happening"



  22. Stephen Okula
    Stephen Okula avatar
    3 posts
    11/19/2012 1:11 PM
    Obama played golf 100 times in four years, that's an average of one round everyv two weeks. What's the problem with that?



  23. Melvin Waldron
    Melvin Waldron avatar
    43 posts
    11/19/2012 2:11 PM
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said: Obama played golf 100 times in four years, that's an average of one round everyv two weeks. What's the problem with that?


    Probably about average or even less then a lot of CEO's out there. How does that compare to many of everyone's members? I know we have some regulars that get in more rounds then that, and some are not seniors.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  24. Sean Remington
    Sean Remington avatar
    0 posts
    11/20/2012 6:11 AM
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said: Obama played golf 100 times in four years, that's an average of one round everyv two weeks. What's the problem with that?



    Stephen - There is absolutely zero problems with it and that is my point. But why won't he share his interest with the general public? That's why I say he treats golf the same as he treats his smoking habit. He enjoys both but keeps them from public view. Why ? Why can't he be honest on such simple things? The President could help us and the golf industry if he could be honest.



  25. Ashton Alan W
    Ashton Alan W avatar
    11/20/2012 3:11 PM
    Sean Remington said:
    Stephen Okula, CGCS said: Obama played golf 100 times in four years, that's an average of one round everyv two weeks. What's the problem with that?



    Stephen - There is absolutely zero problems with it and that is my point. But why won't he share his interest with the general public? That's why I say he treats golf the same as he treats his smoking habit. He enjoys both but keeps them from public view. Why ? Why can't he be honest on such simple things? The President could help us and the golf industry if he could be honest.


    Where exactly is the President not being honest about the number of times he has played? We're not going with the old "lies of omission" line again, are we?! There was a website dedicated to the President's golfing (which now redirects to Mitt Romney... go figure); FortyFore.com.

    Bush got hammered unnecessarily for the number of trips he made to his ranch... can't say that I blame Obama for not publicizing his golf.



  26. Brian Nettz
    Brian Nettz avatar
    0 posts
    11/20/2012 4:11 PM
    Sean Remington said: It's the U N Agenda 21 and it's a VERY slippery slope.

    enjoy:
    http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/videos.html


    The UN hasn't done/been able to do a damn thing since its inception. How, all of a sudden-like, is this thing going to get traction and lead anywhere in any fashion resembling the fears of these posts? The UN: a total ineffectual bunch of buffoons...



  27. Jon Gansen
    Jon Gansen avatar
    1 posts
    11/20/2012 4:11 PM
    Steven Kurta said: This is the danger the tea party faces going forward -- too extreme, too fringe. They end up so enraged over issues they've convinced themselves are important that they completely forget that they come off as paranoid delusionals.
    When you point out that they're being unreasonable they accuse you of being part of the problem instead of engaging with you or backing up their claims with evidence. When faced with lack of evidence, they blame media
    bias for not covering it. So, everyone's wrong but them because nobody agrees with them. It's comical. They'll kill themselves with their own venom and hate and everyone is just going to let them.
    But hey! Look who's got a new fiction 'novel' coming out today ON AGENDA 21...Glenn Beck! What a coincidence!
    Put on your best conspiracy-seeking, skeptics cap and ask yourself why would you be hearing so much about it
    on rightwing radio right now? Riiiight, because they care about Merka.
    No surprising, just hard to stomach people are actually hearing it and going "yeah, I can see that happening"


    For all that you have said, if you change tea party to occupy wall street crowd and Glenn Beck to Al Gore and global warming it completely reverses to the left. I myself prefer the cleaner tea partiers. And if Agenda 21 is a problem for both parties then dont fund the UN, that billions saved.



  28. Spotts David A
    Spotts David A avatar
    11/21/2012 5:11 AM
    [quote">
    For all that you have said, if you change tea party to occupy wall street crowd and Glenn Beck to Al Gore and global warming it completely reverses to the left. I myself prefer the cleaner tea partiers. And if Agenda 21 is a problem for both parties then dont fund the UN, that billions saved.

    I'm not a fan of Al gore but I think that Beck is certifiable. Look into his eyes, there is no soul there. As for Agenda 21, It will never happen, but I think we should send the UN somewhere else and spend less money funding it. Global warming? good possibility it is true.



  29. Sandy Clark
    Sandy Clark avatar
    0 posts
    11/21/2012 9:11 AM
    The nations of the planet could spend untold trillions of dollars and could not impact a change of anymore than a fraction of a degree! I heard that from a scientific study several years ago. Again, if all of us just take personal responsibility for our everyday actions, we can at least help to a small degree by not adding more to the equation. The planet will balance everything out in the end. We have had massive changes before and will again.



  30. Steven Kurta
    Steven Kurta avatar
    2 posts
    11/21/2012 9:11 AM
    Brian Nettz, CGCS said: How, all of a sudden-like, is this thing going to get traction and lead anywhere in any fashion resembling the fears of these posts? The UN: a total ineffectual bunch of buffoons...



    This.



View or change your forums profile here.