Forum Groups

 

Forums / Talking it Over / Trayvon Martin death

Trayvon Martin death

32 posts
  1. Jon Gansen
    Jon Gansen avatar
    1 posts
    4/1/2012 10:04 AM
    http://www.mrctv.org/videos/bozell-hann ... ve-editing

    I believe this clip says alot about the media we have today and also the leaders we have. A very tragic story that has turned into a political tool and has black against "white hispanic". Why couldnt POTUS have just said we will look into this and not given his skewed opinion. Why is it when it becomes national news do we see Sharpton and Jackson become involved? The new black panthers inciting violence, congressmen on capital hill addressing it inappropriately and the very next night six murders happen in his own district.



  2. Steven Kurta
    Steven Kurta avatar
    2 posts
  3. Steven Kurta
    Steven Kurta avatar
    2 posts
    4/1/2012 1:04 PM
    Jon Gansen said: http://www.mrctv.org/videos/bozell-hannity-media-mash-nbc-deliberately-skewed-travyvon-martin-story-selective-editing

    I believe this clip says alot about the media we have today and also the leaders we have.



    I BELIEVE...I can fly.

    ..says nothing about whether I can fly or how I plan on flying. Could be magic. Could be helicopter.

    Beliefs are a problem, Jon. All beliefs are empty. They're what you wish to be true. What you hope for.
    They're best intentions. Fantasies. Useless and a dime a dozen in the actual world.

    "Belief is only knowledge if the belief is true" - Plato


    ..and at the point of a belief being true, it no longer is a belief - it's then a fact.

    Peace, Brother.



  4. Melvin Waldron
    Melvin Waldron avatar
    43 posts
    4/1/2012 3:04 PM
    Jon Gansen said: http://www.mrctv.org/videos/bozell-hannity-media-mash-nbc-deliberately-skewed-travyvon-martin-story-selective-editing

    I believe this clip says alot about the media we have today and also the leaders we have. A very tragic story that has turned into a political tool and has black against "white hispanic". Why couldnt POTUS have just said we will look into this and not given his skewed opinion. Why is it when it becomes national news do we see Sharpton and Jackson become involved? The new black panthers inciting violence, congressmen on capital hill addressing it inappropriately and the very next night six murders happen in his own district.


    Jon, who is turning this into a political tool? While I do have a problem with Rev. Sharpton leading rallies and also working for MSNBC on his show, I thought if he was going to be leading rallies he should not appear on his show, but that's me. Why does Rev. Sharpton and Jackson get involved with national news? I believe that is part of their identities or business, the organizations they run or belong to get involved to help bring out what they believe are injustices. I don't want to be the justice system and neither should they, but from what it sounds like, if the police department might have done things a little differently, it might not be the story it is now where we are all getting involved in the story.

    On the president, I did not see anything wrong with his comments, please explain to me what problem you had with them.

    I will agree with your issue with the new Black Panthers, their talks of violence do not help anything.

    I do not have a problem with what the congressman did on capital hill, I am sure there have been plenty of statements made from both sides of the aisle done to the extreme like his. On the six murders in his district while tragic (and I admit I haven't read any stories to see what ties they might or might not have in this Martin case), but were they committed because of the congressman's appearance? What is he suppose to do to prevent murders in his district? Maybe he can lobby for some grant money for more police, but to tie the congressman's action to the murders is irresponsible in my opinion.

    Honestly Jon, I didn't watch the whole video, Hannity makes me want to throw-up and the segment was slow loading onto my computer and the starting and stopping did not hold my interest. But I did cut and past the following that was below the video clip. I don't get quite their issue with the editing they are complaining about, it could have been done for time, maybe they could have left it in to show he was answering the 911 operator, but that wasn't what I remember the most about the 911 call, what I remember most was when Mr. Zimmerman was telling the dispatcher that he was following Mr. Martin, the dispatcher told him not to do it, yet he continued to follow Mr. Martin, and from that point forward who really knows what occurred, you only have one side of the story since the other side can not be told.

    [quote">Reacting angrily to selective editing by NBC that suggested racial animus by George Zimmerman, NewsBusters publisher Brent Bozell complained to Fox News's Sean Hannity last night that NBC News was engaged in an "all-out falsehood." The story in question was a March 27 Ron Allen report on NBC's 'Today' in which 911 audio was edited to make it sound like George Zimmerman said "he looks black" immediately after saying "this guy looks like he's up to no good."

    In the actual 911 audio, Zimmerman only described Martin's race after the dispatcher asked, "And this guy: is he white, black, or Hispanic?" "To edit that out is so distorting," Hannity complained. "Sean, it's not distorting, it's advancing a falsehood, it's worse," Bozell corrected the Fox News anchor.


    I do have to give props to (and I can't believe I am saying it) to Ann Coulter, when this morning on "This Week" while I guess trying to defend the "Stand Your Ground Law", she said that if Mr. Zimmerman followed Mr. Martin, then he was basically breaking that law, if he was attacked by Mr. Martin as Mr. Zimmerman says, then he was protecting himself, which is part of the law.

    Also the best commenting on the hoodie issue was on Colbert's program last week, if I can find the clip and link it later I'll try.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  5. Jon Gansen
    Jon Gansen avatar
    1 posts
    4/1/2012 7:04 PM
    Steve,If you mean I am baiting you into a conversation so as to side with Zimmerman, no. I merely want to have everyone look without taking sides.. Red Black White whatever. Its human killing human. If the evidence comes out he had no right to shoot put him in jail and throw the key. But if he is found innocent then what ? This guy will never be able to live in that area again because of the persecution he is given on TV.

    I am still trying to figure you out.. (steve) Ive become to know you are in make believe sometimes but you do make me think. About what? I have no flipping idea.

    Mel on the President. " If I had a son he would look like Trayvon." We are going to put together local, state, and federal and look into this. Make sure all of us take this in the seriousness this deserves..
    Fine and dandy right? Like I said how many other youth are killed each day by drive bys, gang related murders.
    The media had this for what a month, then stuff hit the fan. He is the President no comment is necessary. Let local take care of it and on up the ladder if need be. It has been politicized. Tweet tuesday Obama campaign Obama Hoodies on sale. Coincidence? Sure who knows.

    And Mel come on Hannity is maybe just a little conservative for you but unless you watch it I dont think youll get the full effect. Other congressmen and women are on there and I consider it inciting



  6. Melvin Waldron
    Melvin Waldron avatar
    43 posts
    4/1/2012 8:04 PM
    Jon Gansen said:

    Mel on the President. " If I had a son he would look like Trayvon." We are going to put together local, state, and federal and look into this. Make sure all of us take this in the seriousness this deserves..
    Fine and dandy right? Like I said how many other youth are killed each day by drive bys, gang related murders.
    The media had this for what a month, then stuff hit the fan. He is the President no comment is necessary. Let local take care of it and on up the ladder if need be. It has been politicized. Tweet tuesday Obama campaign Obama Hoodies on sale. Coincidence? Sure who knows.


    The president is correct that if he had a son he would look like Trayvon, that is just a fact. As for the comment of local, state and federal looking into this, that is the government's prerogative when they feel things have not been investigated as it should have. Maybe if justice had been served back in the 1960's down south, the federal government wouldn't have to get involved but since there are instances of it still possibly happening, they should get involved. As for the other issues of drive-by's and gang related murders you mention, while tragic, they have nothing to do with this case. In some of those cases people do get charged and brought to justice, in other cases, people do get away, but if there were more resources available to those areas, maybe that doesn't happen, also those communities do need to step up to help stop it.

    I have heard many African-Americans make the comment that they are afraid to have their kids wear hoodies, something I do at work all the time in spring and fall, I don't think I have to worry about getting shot for that, now some of my pin placements might be another story. I think a lot of that is we not being African-American can really understand this unfortunate dilemma. Same goes for whatever comments "we" make on women's issues, until African-American and women start participating on the forums, we really won't understand what they go through.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  7. Peter Bowman
    Peter Bowman avatar
    11 posts
    4/1/2012 8:04 PM
    I think if the President had a son he would look more like Erkel.



  8. Jon Gansen
    Jon Gansen avatar
    1 posts
    4/1/2012 11:04 PM
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:
    Jon Gansen said:

    Mel on the President. " If I had a son he would look like Trayvon." We are going to put together local, state, and federal and look into this. Make sure all of us take this in the seriousness this deserves..
    Fine and dandy right? Like I said how many other youth are killed each day by drive bys, gang related murders.
    The media had this for what a month, then stuff hit the fan. He is the President no comment is necessary. Let local take care of it and on up the ladder if need be. It has been politicized. Tweet tuesday Obama campaign Obama Hoodies on sale. Coincidence? Sure who knows.


    The president is correct that if he had a son he would look like Trayvon, that is just a fact. As for the comment of local, state and federal looking into this, that is the government's prerogative when they feel things have not been investigated as it should have. Maybe if justice had been served back in the 1960's down south, the federal government wouldn't have to get involved but since there are instances of it still possibly happening, they should get involved. As for the other issues of drive-by's and gang related murders you mention, while tragic, they have nothing to do with this case. In some of those cases people do get charged and brought to justice, in other cases, people do get away, but if there were more resources available to those areas, maybe that doesn't happen, also those communities do need to step up to help stop it.

    I have heard many African-Americans make the comment that they are afraid to have their kids wear hoodies, something I do at work all the time in spring and fall, I don't think I have to worry about getting shot for that, now some of my pin placements might be another story. I think a lot of that is we not being African-American can really understand this unfortunate dilemma. Same goes for whatever comments "we" make on women's issues, until African-American and women start participating on the forums, we really won't understand what they go through.

    Mel



    We always keep reliving the past. Why dredge up what happened in the past if not to just keep it a reference to not go back. We are not in the sixties and how do we know justice will or wont be served? Maybe Sharpton and Jackson and other prominent black Americans should get more involved and just not when there is perceived racial violence. Where is Holder and investigations into the New Black Panthers (trying to get 1 million dollars to give to whomever gives up Zimmerman) Sharpton calling for an escalation. Spike Lee giving out the address of an elderly couple thinking it was Zimmermans. T shirts with Zimmermans face and P---y A-- Cracker produced by Florida rapper Plies. Wearing a hoodie had nothing to do with it. Tragically poor judgement, scared kid who knows?
    we dont



  9. Wahlin Scott B
    Wahlin Scott B avatar
    4/2/2012 5:04 PM
    *WARNING: VIDEO* (The following video might offend watchers of Fox News and Hannity - You have been WARNED!)

    [youtube">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeOaTpYl8mE[/youtube">



  10. Clay Putnam
    Clay Putnam avatar
    33 posts
    4/2/2012 7:04 PM
    Every bit of this is speculation by everyone. None of us or the media were there. We don't know if the shooting was justified or not. The law as it stands, as I understand, requires a grand jury to indite Zimmerman. The prosecutor will present his case to the grand jury and the grand jury, if enough evidence is introduced, will indite Zimmerman. This is out of the hands of the police. Hence, Zimmerman not being in jail. The Florida justice system must run its course. If Zimmerman is guilty then he's off to jail. The facts we do know of are:
    - Several media outlets bastardized footage and auto, thus making Zimmerman appear guilty.
    - The Sharptons and Jacksons of the world are stirring the racial flames.
    - The New bLack Panthers have placed a bounty on Zimmerman.
    - Some politicians are capitalizing on this case to further their cause.
    What I also know is this case is the gazzilionth example of why the identity of the accused should not be made public until that person is found guilty. Publicizing the name of the accused only serves to enrage to general public and make most people look like fools.



  11. Kim Brock
    Kim Brock avatar
    3 posts
    4/2/2012 8:04 PM
    Scott,
    Michael Moore is an idiot.



  12. Melvin Waldron
    Melvin Waldron avatar
    43 posts
    4/2/2012 9:04 PM
    Kathleen Parker had a good article which I think looked at both sides of this issue and I am going to defer to her column for now until all the authorities conclude their investigations.

    I'll post the link, but be forewarned, every time I tried to hit the back button to get back to GCSAA's forum page, I could not get it to work.

    http://www.news-leader.com/article/2012 ... RONTPAGE|s

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  13. McCallum David K
    McCallum David K avatar
    4/3/2012 7:04 AM
    Mel I thought our president was half white? The Martin kid was black correct? Why would he neccessarily look like him? Thought that was a bit weird when he said it but we all say weird stuff from time to time.....the Prez included.



  14. Sandy Clark
    Sandy Clark avatar
    0 posts
    4/3/2012 2:04 PM
    It is a case of a guy with a gun shooting another individual in what appear to be confusing circumstances. It is not a race issue but the usual hucksters are out in full force because it is the only way they make a living and feel relevant. If it isn't being exploited, why are voter registrations being held to encourage democrat registration? MSNBC commentators have blamed the Republican Party for kids death. Just like it isn't racial, it isn't political. It is a tragic death of a 17 year old by a guy that will probably be indicted. If he wrongly shot the kid, he will be justly punished. If it turns out the kid really did beat the snot out of him, he might walk or be convicted on involuntary manslaughter. The law will play out based on the evidence and rightly so. I am not on anyone's side because as others have said, none of us were there. The judicial system and our law enforcement people should be allowed to do there jobs without all of this nonsense from Jackson, Sharpton and the Black Panthers. Each case must be decided on the merit or lack of for the case. People have a right to be upset that a kid was shot and killed but like all other tragedies, nobody has the right to prejudge. Justice will prevail in a unbiased fashion. In the mean time, Jackson and Sharpton should just shut their ignorant pie holes!



  15. Clay Putnam
    Clay Putnam avatar
    33 posts
    4/3/2012 8:04 PM
    Hopefully the rhetoric will subside as the evidence comes to light, but I doubt it.


    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/trayvon-martin-police-report-reveals-crime-scene-details-175656087.html



  16. Bowden Max
    Bowden Max avatar
    4/4/2012 7:04 AM
    Anyone remember the Duke Lacross Rape case???



  17. Sandy Clark
    Sandy Clark avatar
    0 posts
    4/4/2012 8:04 AM
    How about Sharpton's famous Tawana Brawley buffoonery!



  18. McCallum David K
    McCallum David K avatar
    4/4/2012 10:04 AM
    Lets not bring up any bad memories from the past guys........Twana and the Duke hooker were someone's daughters.......as hard as that may be to believe.



  19. Melvin Waldron
    Melvin Waldron avatar
    43 posts
    4/15/2012 6:04 PM
    http://presspass.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20 ... bcpolitics

    Great comments about the Trayvon Martin case by Dr. Cosby, for those that might not want to click on the link or watch, he basically comments that race is not the issue, the gun is the issue. I know he also commented the same thing in a CNN interview. I don't know if Fox interviewed him, the interviews were to promote the restoration and opening of the Howard Theater in DC.

    Well said Dr. Cosby, well said.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  20. Dennis Cook
    Dennis Cook avatar
    1 posts
    4/16/2012 5:04 AM
    Yep the gun is definitely the issue, we need to teach them guns to more respectful of people and quit killin. Kind of sounds like those stories about SUV's where they say "SUV mowed down three pedestrians today on 5th street" instead of saying a motorist mowed down three pedestrians. Blame it on the gun instead of the individual



  21. Melvin Waldron
    Melvin Waldron avatar
    43 posts
    4/16/2012 4:04 PM
    What the heck, here you guys complain about people making out to be a race thing and here a black man tells people not to look at it as a race thing, it was the gun, open up your dang minds.

    I think if you would also see the interview and when Dr. Cosby talks about the gun, it is the situation Mr. Zimmerman was carrying it, (and I think he was meaning, here Zimmerman was just watching out in the neighborhood, his duty would be to report suspicious behavior and that's it, having the gun changed all that, if he didn't have the gun on him, he was pretty sure Zimmerman wouldn't have left the safety of his vehicle and just reported). I also give Dr. Cosby a little leeway on gun issues because of what happened to his son.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  22. Andrew Cross
    Andrew Cross avatar
    5 posts
    4/16/2012 11:04 PM
    Mel,

    Everyone made it out to be a race issue including Mr Obama. I believe he said if he had a son he would look just like Trayvon. When Jesse Jackson comes to the party its a race issue, there is footage of all kinds of "important people" (read our elected officials) making this a race issue.

    The thing I find funny is that with the prostitution scandal in Columbia the president is very quick to say lets investigate to find all the facts before a make a comment on it one way or the other, yet he and many other folks were very quick to judge on the Trayvon case even though all the facts are still not known. Thats my biggest issue with the whole case.

    And last I checked a gun has never gone off and killed someone on its own, guns don't kill people, people kill people.



  23. Dennis Cook
    Dennis Cook avatar
    1 posts
    4/17/2012 5:04 AM
    Thank you Andrew, my point exactly. Regardless of what Cosby said, Zimmerman killed the boy. Doesn't matter what instrument it was that he used. If he ran him over with his car, would Cosby say the car is the issue?



  24. Peter Bowman
    Peter Bowman avatar
    11 posts
    4/17/2012 6:04 AM
    I have a dark blue, zip-up sweatshirt with a hood that I bought a few years ago, mostly to keep my head and ears warm when it's cold out. I didn't know it was a "hoodie" when I bought it.

    I'm afraid to wear it now.



  25. Steve Nelson
    Steve Nelson avatar
    0 posts
    4/17/2012 7:04 AM
    Peter Bowman, CGCS said: I have a dark blue, zip-up sweatshirt with a hood that I bought a few years ago, mostly to keep my head and ears warm when it's cold out. I didn't know it was a "hoodie" when I bought it.

    I'm afraid to wear it now.


    I'd be afraid too Pete. This weekend my daughter came home from college and was horsing around with her hoodie on and tried to sneak up on me while I was cat napping. My trusty dog LeeRoy went ape-#$@% and took a while to settle down even after she took off the hoodie.

    Just say no to hoodies.



  26. Wahlin Scott B
    Wahlin Scott B avatar
    5/3/2012 3:05 PM
    (Jacksonville, FL) This 5'2" woman with a 9-day old baby will get 20 years for shooting a hole in her ceiling. She was backed into a corner in her house by a man who said he was going to kill her.

    A judge rejected (her) Stand Your Ground defense, saying that she could have escaped her attacker "through the front or back door," court records say.

    Isn't the point of "Stand Your Ground" that you do not have an obligation to retreat?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/02/marissa-alexander-florida-stand-your-ground_n_1472647.html

    Woman? Race? Elected Judges? Jacksonville, Florida? I get it.



  27. Dennis Cook
    Dennis Cook avatar
    1 posts
    5/4/2012 5:05 AM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: (Jacksonville, FL) This 5'2" woman with a 9-day old baby will get 20 years for shooting a hole in her ceiling. She was backed into a corner in her house by a man who said he was going to kill her.

    A judge rejected (her) Stand Your Ground defense, saying that she could have escaped her attacker "through the front or back door," court records say.

    Isn't the point of "Stand Your Ground" that you do not have an obligation to retreat?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/02/marissa-alexander-florida-stand-your-ground_n_1472647.html

    Woman? Race? Elected Judges? Jacksonville, Florida? I get it.


    Scott, although I dont necessarily jump to the conclusion that woman, race, elected judges and location meant she was not going to be acquitted, I think its a travesty. You cant say it was because of elected judges, because she had a jury. You can't say it was because of race, because this was two people of the same race. You can't say it was because she was a woman, because under most circumstances the woman being attacked is given the benefit of the doubt. And what does Jacksonville, Florida have anything to do with it?

    What stands out to me in this case is that she was previously hospitalized because he beat her. He also stated in his deposition that he said he would kill her and that he changed his story twice. He also said he had five baby-mamas, I wonder who the cheater was? He said he laid a hand on all those baby mamas except one. Talk about a winner. This guy should be behind bars and this gal should be keeping her kids as far away from him as possible. I dont know what this jury was thinking, she didnt even shoot the man. Just scared the crap outta him so she could get away. I hope she gets a fair appeal and justice is served.



  28. Wahlin Scott B
    Wahlin Scott B avatar
    5/4/2012 6:05 AM
    Jacksonville is conservative. They are more like Mississippi than Florida. She is black, who cares if she spends her life in prison or her babies have a mother; they are all going to end up on welfare anyway. (She has an MBA.) White makes a difference to police and prosecutors it seems. The judge negated the stand your ground defense. The jury could not consider that. Our justice system may be good, but it is flawed just ask OJ or Casey Anthony.



  29. Jon Gansen
    Jon Gansen avatar
    1 posts
    5/4/2012 11:05 AM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: Jacksonville is conservative. They are more like Mississippi than Florida. She is black, who cares if she spends her life in prison or her babies have a mother; they are all going to end up on welfare anyway. (She has an MBA.) White makes a difference to police and prosecutors it seems. The judge negated the stand your ground defense. The jury could not consider that. Our justice system may be good, but it is flawed just ask OJ or Casey Anthony.



    I hope conservative is not "CODE" for racist!!



  30. Dennis Cook
    Dennis Cook avatar
    1 posts
    5/4/2012 2:05 PM
    Jon Gansen said:
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: Jacksonville is conservative. They are more like Mississippi than Florida. She is black, who cares if she spends her life in prison or her babies have a mother; they are all going to end up on welfare anyway. (She has an MBA.) White makes a difference to police and prosecutors it seems. The judge negated the stand your ground defense. The jury could not consider that. Our justice system may be good, but it is flawed just ask OJ or Casey Anthony.



    I hope conservative is not "CODE" for racist!!


    Thats the way I read Scotts reply as well. Love how he said they are conservative and then he went into the stereotypical rant about welfare and such. Liberals always see people as a color or a group, instead of just people. I dont care what color you are, I want a fair justice system for everyone and I want everyone to have the same opportunities to prosper in this country.

    Maybe there is a reason the judge threw the stand your ground defense out based on the law? Maybe because she went, got the gun and came back, he felt that there was ample time to get herself out of danger, instead of going back into it (although that doesn't make his behavior OK). We werent sitting there in that court room and we did not hear all the evidence. Two reporters can write the story two different ways and make opposite sides the villian. Maybe they both committed a crime and he needs to be charged next and maybe the Florida legislature needs to revisit this law and fine tune it a bit. Maybe it is their fault for the way the law is written. A judge is supposed to rule on law, not make up their own. Its too easy to call racism nowadays because then no one wants to touch it with a ten foot pole.



View or change your forums profile here.