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1. Sandy Clark

   

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   2/20/2012 10:02 AM

   I paid $4.40 for premium when I filled up my sports car on Saturday. It made me think that we seem to be having very little outrage over this in the press. In 2006 when President Bush, the big oil president, was in office, the press was in hysterics over the fact it was going for $3.00 per gallon! Under President Obama, gas has gone up 92% in three years. Where is the outrage from the press? We had middle east problem during the 2006 period and we have it today with the Arab Spring, Syria and Iran. We only awarded something like 70% of the suspended leases in the Gulf of Mexico and have stepped on other oil opportunities, so why isn't the press in full frontal assault on President Obama? Just curious. Could it be political leanings?

   
   
   
   
2. James Schmid

   

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   2/20/2012 10:02 AM

   Sandy Clark, CGCS said: I paid $4.40 for premium when I filled up my sports car on Saturday. It made me think that we seem to be having very little outrage over this in the press. In 2006 when President Bush, the big oil president, was in office, the press was in hysterics over the fact it was going for $3.00 per gallon! Under President Obama, gas has gone up 92% in three years. Where is the outrage from the press? We had middle east problem during the 2006 period and we have it today with the Arab Spring, Syria and Iran. We only awarded something like 70% of the suspended leases in the Gulf of Mexico and have stepped on other oil opportunities, so why isn't the press in full frontal assault on President Obama? Just curious. Could it be political leanings?

   
   
   
   I'm sick of hearing about gas prices. Gas is expensive, we get it, we are used to it, it's going to keep getting more expensive, who wants to read about it?

   
   
   
   
3. Sandy Clark

   

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   2/20/2012 3:02 PM

   I thought I was talking more about the perception and the press than complaining about what I paid!

   
   
   
   
4. James Schmid

   

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   2/20/2012 5:02 PM

   Sandy Clark, CGCS said: I thought I was talking more about the perception and the press than complaining about what I paid!

   
   
   
   I didn't see your post as complaining. That was my opinion as to why the press is not covering it. I don't think that right now anyone wants to hear about it. For some reason way back in 2006 I did want to hear about it and bitch about it. But now I think that people are over it and don't want to hear about it in the press.

   
   
   
   
5. McCallum David K

   
   2/21/2012 9:02 AM

   That's why you can express your opinion one way or the other. Unfortunately it affects my golf course budget, my personal budget and so at times I may complain about it also. Highest price for a barrel of oil in 9 months and going higher. Iran just cut off the English and the French.

   
   
   
   
6. Melvin Waldron

   

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   2/21/2012 9:02 AM

   I heard the other day on Imus, which is on the Fox Business News Channel that Dagen McDowell, who does business reports on his show, reported that a big majority of Iran's oil goes to Asia, so cutting off Europe wasn't suppose to be a big deal.
   
   Mel

   
   Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
   
   
7. Sandy Clark

   

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   2/21/2012 2:02 PM

   I don't know if I heard this correctly but I was under the impression that several of the European countries began boycotting Iranian oil a few weeks ago. Not sure which is more accurate, them cutting back or the other countries cutting them off.

   
   
   
   
8. James Schmid

   

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   2/21/2012 2:02 PM

   Sandy Clark, CGCS said: I don't know if I heard this correctly but I was under the impression that several of the European countries began boycotting Iranian oil a few weeks ago. Not sure which is more accurate, them cutting back or the other countries cutting them off.

   
   
   European countries were planning to stop purchasing oil from Iran. I believe what happened is that Iran cut them off before they could implement their plans.

   
   
   
   
9. Wallace Jeffrey V

   
   2/21/2012 5:02 PM

   James Schmid said:

   Sandy Clark, CGCS said: I don't know if I heard this correctly but I was under the impression that several of the European countries began boycotting Iranian oil a few weeks ago. Not sure which is more accurate, them cutting back or the other countries cutting them off.

   
   
   European countries were planning to stop purchasing oil from Iran. I believe what happened is that Iran cut them off before they could implement their plans.

   
   
   Correct. And we'll see how long that lasts. They need the money, although not sure how much France and Britain were buying from them anyway. Iran is between a camel and a hard place.

   
   
   
   
10. Peter Bowman

    

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    2/21/2012 5:02 PM

    $4.12 today in Stockton. Obama and his oil buddies are up to no good again.

    
    
    
    
11. David Brandenburg

    

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    2/21/2012 8:02 PM

    What matters most is neither golf or any industries that rely on discretionary income are going to recover with gas prices this high because it takes too much money out of the economy.
    
    Is it a coincidence some conservatives were warning this would happen with Obama as President. The higher prices will force his goals of conservation, smaller cars, carpooling and less overall use of fossil fuels.
    
    The mainstream press chooses what topics to cover depending on who is in office and how they want to present a issue. So it comes down to which channel or publication you watch or read as to how big a issue is.

    
    
    
    
12. McCallum David K

    
    2/22/2012 6:02 AM

    I think the intent of Iran was to punish the English and French due to their recent sanctions they had placed on Iran...........Achmydinnerjacket just beat them to the punch.....before they could say "we've had enough" Iran said "you've had enough".
    
    Whether or not we enjoy talking about gas prices it affects us all in some way......through our work budgets and products other than just fuel, our personal lives.......it has far reaching consquences. Hovering around $3.55 locally for unleaded regular. Will find out what the wholesale prices are when ordering fuel next week.

    
    
    
    
13. Stephen Okula

    

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    2/22/2012 2:02 PM

    David Brandenburg, CGCS said: What matters most is neither golf or any industries that rely on discretionary income are going to recover with gas prices this high because it takes too much money out of the economy.
    
    Is it a coincidence some conservatives were warning this would happen with Obama as President. The higher prices will force his goals of conservation, smaller cars, carpooling and less overall use of fossil fuels.
    
    The mainstream press chooses what topics to cover depending on who is in office and how they want to present a issue. So it comes down to which channel or publication you watch or read as to how big a issue is.

    
    
    Yeah, conservation and less dependency on fossil fuels, what is he, a terrorist?

    
    
    
    
14. Clay Putnam

    

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    2/22/2012 4:02 PM

    Stephen Okula, CGCS said:

    David Brandenburg, CGCS said: What matters most is neither golf or any industries that rely on discretionary income are going to recover with gas prices this high because it takes too much money out of the economy.
    
    Is it a coincidence some conservatives were warning this would happen with Obama as President. The higher prices will force his goals of conservation, smaller cars, carpooling and less overall use of fossil fuels.
    
    The mainstream press chooses what topics to cover depending on who is in office and how they want to present a issue. So it comes down to which channel or publication you watch or read as to how big a issue is.

    
    
    Yeah, conservation and less dependency on fossil fuels, what is he, a terrorist?

    
    
    I could be wrong but I think you're missing the point. Nothing wrong with conservation but there is everything wrong with policies directly aimed to increase fuel prices for the sake of forwarding your agenda.

    
    
    
    
15. McCallum David K

    
    2/23/2012 6:02 AM

    Walking in yesterday afternoon just as the evening news was coming on. An ABC report from the streets of L.A. As the report gave her 2 minute sound bite the digital price sign behind her went up 10 cents. Earlier a customer had reported at the same station a price increase of .16 cents in a 3 hour period. Pretty large jump in one day even for the left coast.
    
    They broke down the profit on a $100 cost of oil as (this is from memory so give me a break) oil producer approx $47-50.......the service station $ 1..........credit card company's $1.25.........refiners $6 ..........distributors $4...........forgot the feds chunk for taxes as well as the states........they make up the difference.

    
    
    
    
16. Melvin Waldron

    

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    2/23/2012 7:02 AM

    They were nice to us here the past couple of weeks. Instead of the .15 to .20 one time jump, they did 4 different jumps, from $3.09 - $3.11 to $3.19, then $3.24, then $3.29, then yesterday it went to $3.39. This was over a two to maybe 3 week period.
    
    Mel

    
    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
    
    
17. Wahlin Scott B

    
    2/23/2012 7:02 AM

    Aren't gas prices determined by the global market? It seems to me that the only way the US Govt could reduce the price of gas for the US market would be to nationalize the oil industry AND produce 100% of what we consume.

    
    
    
    
18. McCallum David K

    
    2/23/2012 7:02 AM

    I think that assumption is correct. But I did hear a reporter saying in the drive to work this am that Obama had a plan to stablize gas prices. It is understandable because if they continue to rise.......$ 6/gallon in Alaska, the $ 5/gallon I mentioned in LA yesterday it will affect his ability to be re-elected. No idea what his plan is but I am all for hearing about it.

    
    
    
    
19. Larry Allan

    

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    2/23/2012 9:02 AM

    It's not just an Obama/Bush/Conservative thing....Our prices have gone up as well and we have so much oil we can hardly give it away
    I doubt opening all the gulf leases, drilling in Alaska and Montana would change the price of fuel one iota. Fuel prices are not driven by Governments. They are driven by speculators

    
    
    
    
20. Melvin Waldron

    

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    2/23/2012 9:02 AM

    Red,
    
    You answered the question I had thought of this morning to ask. What really could the government do? Do we even want the government to do anything, seeing that we want a free market, capitalistic society.
    
    Just wondering if the oil industry thinks about the entire economy it affects when they raise prices?
    
    Or is it the speculators that are really driving up the prices? Did see something and I don't remember where, maybe it was a suggestion, the speculators should be forced to actually take delivery of the oil they purchase, that might affect how much they tend to purchase? (Of course I'm not 100% or even 50% sure of my understanding on how the speculators operate and affect things.)
    
    Mel

    
    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
    
    
21. Steven Kurta

    

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    2/23/2012 10:02 AM

    Stephen Okula, CGCS said:
    
    Yeah, conservation and less dependency on fossil fuels, what is he, a terrorist?

    
    
    YOU'RE a terrorist.
    
    
    In other news:
    We bought a Prius off-lease last year. We were nervous we'd hate it because we've owned Saabs for the last 16 years. Luxury and handling aren't lost on us.
    After 3 months, the savings in fuel and the quality of the car bowled us over -- really amazing.
    I don't think we'll ever consider buying a non-hybrid from here on out.
    It's just not worth the waste. We don't fee like we've given up anything.
    Eventually, more people will drive them and the heel draggers on American development of alternative vehicles will either die-off or change their tune. It's undeniably the right direction to go.
    It's the next big thing - gun rack or not.

    
    
    
    
22. Stephen Okula

    

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    2/23/2012 3:02 PM

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23. Peter Bowman

    

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    2/23/2012 3:02 PM

    Stephen Okula, CGCS said: [This post has been deleted in conjunction with GCSAA's forum policies.]

    
    
    Must have been the camel reference.

    
    
    
    
24. Wallace Jeffrey V

    
    2/23/2012 4:02 PM

    Peter Bowman, CGCS said:

    Stephen Okula, CGCS said: [This post has been deleted in conjunction with GCSAA's forum policies.]

    
    
    Must have been the camel reference.

    
    
    Impossible. Camels are loved worldwide. At least, in my own mind. Does the word "cuddle" come to mind? Or "snuggle"?

    
    
    
    
25. Clay Putnam

    

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    2/24/2012 7:02 AM

    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: Aren't gas prices determined by the global market? It seems to me that the only way the US Govt could reduce the price of gas for the US market would be to nationalize the oil industry AND produce 100% of what we consume.

    
    
    Nope. Obama owns the high gas prices. Obama and his minions want to boast over the economy and bin laden then he most definitely owns the high gas prices.

    
    
    
    
26. Wahlin Scott B

    
    2/24/2012 7:02 AM

    Clay Putnam, CGCS said:

    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: Aren't gas prices determined by the global market? It seems to me that the only way the US Govt could reduce the price of gas for the US market would be to nationalize the oil industry AND produce 100% of what we consume.

    
    
    Nope. Obama owns the high gas prices. Obama and his minions want to boast over the economy and bin laden then he most definitely owns the high gas prices.

    
    
    I thought we got bin Laden by water boarding prisoners under Bush?

    
    
    
    
27. Clay Putnam

    

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    2/24/2012 7:02 AM

    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said:

    Clay Putnam, CGCS said:

    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: Aren't gas prices determined by the global market? It seems to me that the only way the US Govt could reduce the price of gas for the US market would be to nationalize the oil industry AND produce 100% of what we consume.

    
    
    Nope. Obama owns the high gas prices. Obama and his minions want to boast over the economy and bin laden then he most definitely owns the high gas prices.

    
    
    I thought we got bin Laden by water boarding prisoners under Bush?

    
    
    So now you're giving all the credit to Bush. Wow Scott, that's a heck of a turn around. Let me guess, you're now passing out atheism pamphlets too.

    
    
    
    
28. Wahlin Scott B

    
    2/24/2012 7:02 AM

    It's only fair. I give him credit for the Great Recession as well.

    
    
    
    
29. Wahlin Scott B

    
    2/24/2012 8:02 AM

    I read an article today that states that oil prices are actually low, but that so is the dollar in relation to other currencies and the price of gold. It sure seems like I am seeing a lot more Europeans in Palm Beach County this year than in past years. Even the inventory of homes for sale in this formerly horrendous market is down to a reasonable number. Maybe a weaker dollar is the reason why. Hey, if they buy greens fees and foreclosures I'll be happy to pay $5 for gas.

    
    
    
    
30. McCallum David K

    
    2/24/2012 8:02 AM

    Huh? What did you just say?