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  1. Jason Baker
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    7/13/2012 11:07 AM
    Since the last thread got hijacked I thought I would start a new one. Is anyone using this on Ultradwarfs in the south? It says the first application should be made when High temps reach 75.



  2. Anthony Nysse
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    7/13/2012 1:07 PM
    Jason Baker said: Since the last thread got hijacked I thought I would start a new one. Is anyone using this on Ultradwarfs in the south? It says the first application should be made when High temps reach 75.

    Jason,
    I asked the same question in that thread. We have tifeagle tees, greens and approaches here and I'd love to use Turf Screen, especially in the summer. I just don't want to the the guinea pig.



  3. Alan Hospes
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    7/13/2012 1:07 PM
    Come on guys. A sunscreen for turf? Really?

    Bruce Hospes
    Old Overton Club



  4. Jason Baker
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    7/13/2012 1:07 PM
    Alan, that is how I feel, although I have heard several people who have been using it say they really like the results.



  5. James Schmid
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    7/13/2012 1:07 PM
    Jason Baker said: Alan, that is how I feel, although I have heard several people who have been using it say they really like the results.


    Why would you want to prevent the sun from reaching bermudagrass. Bermudagrass likes it hot.



  6. Jason Baker
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    7/13/2012 1:07 PM
    Well, they are selling it for several benefits, uniform color, helping use less water yadda yadda yadda.... I just spoke to a friend who is using it on Bermuda here in the south, he is using it to help control algae, the blocking of the uv is preventing the algae from blooming as much. Sounds like a good plan that is working for him.
    I do not have much problem with algae so I think I will hold off.



  7. Ronald Conard
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    7/13/2012 3:07 PM
    On bent/poa does this product tweak the niche in favor of poa?



  8. Hardy Andrew
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    7/13/2012 5:07 PM
    The product simply provides a colorant to the turf that in some way will lower canopy temperatures dramatically. I have found that you really only get the full benefit of the product at the 3.4oz rate IMO. Though it isn't advertised, it does somehow shutdown moss. And to my knowledge it won't favor Poa over Bent as many of my colleagues are using it with no ill effects to Bent.

    We have had a record number of >90F days this year in the Toronto area. On any given day I am seeing 9-14 degree F differences between treated greens and check plots. Its my new favourite Friday application as it will (for the most part) eliminate any hand-watering. That's my two cents, it works but the value at 3.4oz is somewhat questionable.

    What a shock that the "Asylum Inmates" on these forums would ruin another post. Must be nice to know everything AND be able to spend all day on these forums.

    Hope this helps



  9. Kenneth Ingram
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    7/13/2012 5:07 PM
    We will have some good data from UMD in a few weeks. We are checking canopy temp, soil temp, and % soil moisture. We shut the water off last week and are putting it under stress. Odd as it seems, I think we are onto something here, along with all the other green paints and pigments. Kenneth Ingram, UMD.



  10. Edward Doda
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    7/13/2012 6:07 PM
    Andrew, just tried it at 1.7 oz/1000 and same lousy hot 45% humidity as you have and first impressions are good. I will take out my data loggers Saturday and graph soil temps before and after using the turfscreen...same weather now for 2-3 weeks.

    Found this http://www.koboproductsinc.com/Download ... ter-02.pdf and if you look at the last comments the TiO2 and ZiO are used in combo to provide 30 SPF for us humans...Turfscreen, if going by how much a case weighs(75lbs.) should have lots of the stuff in it...going to try it on lousy tees that have god knows what as their base but whatever it is it doesn't hold water!

    ed doda, barrie cc an hour north of toronto



  11. Melvin Waldron
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    7/13/2012 10:07 PM
    Andrew Hardy said:
    What a shock that the "Asylum Inmates" on these forums would ruin another post. Must be nice to know everything AND be able to spend all day on these forums.



    Andrew, I didn't think it was a bad hijack, the topic just took a turn from the Turf Screen to how to handle the staining of the cup. I don't think it necessarily ruined the post, I certainly learned a couple of ways people handle spray dye residue. Jason re-posted to try to get his question answered. Just my opinion.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  12. Green Robert B
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    7/14/2012 5:07 AM
    I was at a Chicagoland Supt meeting a couple weeks ago when this subject came up for discussion. The opinions were favorable and quite a few supers were using turfscreens regularly. I had not used them and didn't quite buy the concept. The next day we were out on hot spot duty (which has been everyday in Chicago for tooooo long), when I recognized that we had a easy time of hot spots that time around. The temp was 90+ and we are poa/bent but the difference that day was a nice cloud cover that kept us cool and the plants. The light bulb when on about the possible benefits of turf screen. I'm just slower to catch on. I have purchased some and will get it out.



  13. Larry Allan
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    7/14/2012 6:07 AM
    Andrew Hardy said: The product simply provides a colorant to the turf that in some way will lower canopy temperatures dramatically. I have found that you really only get the full benefit of the product at the 3.4oz rate IMO. Though it isn't advertised, it does somehow shutdown moss. And to my knowledge it won't favor Poa over Bent as many of my colleagues are using it with no ill effects to Bent.

    We have had a record number of >90F days this year in the Toronto area. On any given day I am seeing 9-14 degree F differences between treated greens and check plots. Its my new favourite Friday application as it will (for the most part) eliminate any hand-watering. That's my two cents, it works but the value at 3.4oz is somewhat questionable.

    What a shock that the "Asylum Inmates" on these forums would ruin another post. Must be nice to know everything AND be able to spend all day on these forums.

    Hope this helps

    As a long term Asylum Member, I strongly represent your comment. I simply got POd when I used a Bayer product last year and was unaware of it's capacity to stain the cups. Had I known in advance I might have thought to do one of the suggested solutions.
    While the product may do what it is advertized to do I have to wonder how colouring something darker does anything other than increase heat absorption. ie black sand to melt ice
    For the southern guys, I don;t get it's value. I always hear how even a succession of cloudy days has a detrimental effects on Bermuda. Maybe its a magical sauce that differentiates between good and bad light. I don't know and at this point don't care.
    If you start walking south and I start walking north we could meet and have a duke it out in about a half hour. although you would have the advantage as my disdain for walking is only surpassed by my dislike of bending over



  14. Steven Huffstutler
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    7/14/2012 6:07 AM
    Since when does asking a question or making a comment on an Internet bulletin board constitute "ruining" anything?



  15. James Schmid
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    7/14/2012 6:07 AM
    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said: Since when does asking a question or making a comment on an Internet bulletin board constitute "ruining" anything?


    You just ruined it even more



  16. Steven Huffstutler
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    7/14/2012 7:07 AM
    I did, didn't I? Oh well, I guess you can start another. I swear I won't say a thing.



  17. Robert Crockett
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    7/14/2012 10:07 AM
    What about spray nozzels....can you use flooding? Any clogging issues?



  18. Joey Brown
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    7/14/2012 1:07 PM
    Is the chemistry in this product different than the other pigment products (par, foresome...)? If so, are guys using it instead of or in conjunction with the pigments?



  19. Charles Stump
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    7/14/2012 2:07 PM
    Turf Screen has titanium dioxide and zinc oxide in it, which gives it a much lighter green color almost like a green-white coating on the leaf blade.
    Here is their web site: http://www.turfscreen.com/



  20. Ronald Conard
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    7/14/2012 4:07 PM
    Larry Allan said:
    Andrew Hardy said:
    If you start walking south and I start walking north we could meet and[u"> have a duke it out[/u"> in about a half hour. although you would have the advantage as my disdain for walking is only surpassed by my dislike of bending over


    Please video and post!!



  21. Wallace Jeffrey V
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    7/14/2012 7:07 PM
    Jason Baker said: Since the last thread got hijacked I thought I would start a new one.



    Jason,

    When was the original thread "hijacked", and which post crossed the line? All I read were comments about the dye. Weren't those appropriate comments since Turf Screen seems to be a dye?

    Cheers,

    Jeff



  22. Peter Bowman
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    7/14/2012 7:07 PM
    Don't go tryin' to un-hijack this thing.



  23. Wallace Jeffrey V
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    7/14/2012 8:07 PM
    Peter Bowman, CGCS said: Don't go tryin' to un-hijack this thing.


    Hey, this is the first thread that's been hijacked that I had nothing to do with. Would you deny me the joy of being, for the first time in history, the reasonable guy?

    I'm pretty sure I'm starting to hate you. You're angry about my Holder comment, aren't you? Oh....and your bank wants to talk to me. Any idea what that's about?



  24. Peter Bowman
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    7/14/2012 9:07 PM
    Jeffrey Wallace, CGCS said:

    ....and your bank wants to talk to me. Any idea what that's about?


    I think you've been scammed. My bank was the Third Bank of Stockton, NBA.

    I don't think they could pay for that phone call right now.



  25. Jason Baker
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    7/15/2012 6:07 AM
    Jeff,
    no lines were crossed, it simply went off topic of Turf Screen and I (and others) had specific questions concerning the product Turf Screen. Not if Larry used spray indicator or was too lazy to cover his cups. No feelings were hurt in this hijacking.



  26. Timothy Walker
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    7/15/2012 10:07 AM
    this product is more than just pigment/dye...it was developed by a successful superintendent who gave up his job to promote this product which has great potential.



  27. Ronald Conard
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    7/15/2012 8:07 PM
    Andrew Hardy said: The product simply provides a colorant to the turf that in some way will lower canopy temperatures dramatically. I have found that you really only get the full benefit of the product at the 3.4oz rate IMO. Though it isn't advertised, it does somehow shutdown moss. And to my knowledge it won't favor Poa over Bent as many of my colleagues are using it with no ill effects to Bent.


    Hope this helps


    I'd love to see some research on the poa/bent issue. Even if the product shows no ill effects on bent, if it reduces stress on the poa, then I could see a situation where the ecology was tweaked just enough for poa populations to increase. I think I'm seeing the same concept happening with wetting agents such as Magnus. I like my poa struggling a bit so that my sward remains bent, or mostly so.



  28. Andy Jorgensen
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    7/16/2012 7:07 AM
    I'd be curious to know the effects of over applying Zinc to turf has over time. I know it can be toxic, especially in acidic soils. Wondering if a great product now, will lead to issues down the road.

    Thoughts?



  29. Larry Allan
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    7/16/2012 1:07 PM
    Andy Jorgensen said: I'd be curious to know the effects of over applying Zinc to turf has over time. I know it can be toxic, especially in acidic soils. Wondering if a great product now, will lead to issues down the road.

    Thoughts?


    You will hate to hear this Andy, but I kinda wondered the same thing. Zinc is a plant micronutrient needed in very small amounts. The Titanium Dioxide is a different animal that I can't speak to.

    My question still stands for the Bermuda guys. If shade and cloud cover affects Bermuda negatively, is it wise to "shade" Bermuda

    If my earlier post was seen as a hijacking. I apologize. I was just trying to inject some humour. I am my own spray tech as well as trying to do everything else I'm supposed to do so time can be of the essence. I liked the suggestion of spraying with the flagpole left in. Maybe I'll developed a flexible flagpole like the Flex Stakes and market to lazy spray techs like myself



  30. Timothy Walker
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    7/16/2012 2:07 PM
    larry - red - pale, whoever you are... i would buy into that product line



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