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  1. Samuel Leatherberry
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    10/17/2012 4:10 PM
    What is everyone's policy on headphone use?



  2. Rosenthal Gregg
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    10/17/2012 4:10 PM
    Not allowed, last thing you need is someone unable to hear fore when ball is coming at them in the head! It is hard enough when on a mower, blower, other motorized equipment. Next thing they will be utilizing cell phone with earplug also...JMO.

    Gregg R



  3. Robert Crockett
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    10/17/2012 4:10 PM
    Earplugs inhibit noise also.....I prefer those to headphones.....They can be a distraction



  4. John Borcher
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    10/17/2012 4:10 PM
    We allow they guys to use headphones.



  5. Keith Lamb
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    10/17/2012 4:10 PM
    Gregg Rosenthal said: Not allowed, last thing you need is someone unable to hear fore when ball is coming at them in the head! It is hard enough when on a mower, blower, other motorized equipment. Next thing they will be utilizing cell phone with earplug also...JMO.

    Gregg R


    Sooo...using hearing protection is not allowed? Several of my guys use hearing protection while operating machinery. They also know better to keep awareness of their surroundings. A couple of the guys use earbud style headphones, myself included, as it is the only way I can hear my phone ringing while operating machinery. The music is nice also.



  6. Andy Jorgensen
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    10/18/2012 4:10 AM
    The distraction point aside, OSHA requires hearing protection for any noise over 85db. This would be in the form of ear plugs and / or ear muffs, possibly in combination. The use of headphones with music blaring in your ears while riding a fairway mower is blatant disregard of the OSHA regulations since the noise would still be over the 85db limit.



  7. Larry Allan
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    10/18/2012 6:10 AM
    I hate music



  8. Peter Bowman
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    10/18/2012 6:10 AM
    Larry Allan said: I hate music


    I can see Red now, hopping off his mower.....

    "YYYYYYYY - MMMMMMM - CCCCCCCCCCC - AAAAAAAAAAA!"



  9. Canedo Alberto J
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    10/18/2012 8:10 AM
    Or Red would be Jamming to Michael Jackson's Thriller or Beat it. lol



  10. Sam Welch
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    10/18/2012 9:10 AM
    We do not allow headphones/earbuds but it's a constant issue with guys thinking they can get away with it or "I forgot". We just stay on them. I have allowed a couple of guys in the past to use noise-cancelling/hearing protection earmuff style headphones with built in radios, but that's it.

    It is shocking to me how hard it is to get some crew members to use earplugs. I can't understand how a guy can run a tractor or use a backpack blower all day without them.



  11. Smith Tim
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    10/18/2012 9:10 AM
    No Music until they are fully trained and can do the job with out errors. Then they can use earphones usually placed inside of ear muffs so the volume does not need to be cranked up. They also know if they see me coming up to them to remove the earphones prior to me talking to them. I do not repeat myself if they have their music on. If it keeps them happy its worth it.



  12. Justin VanLanduit
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    10/18/2012 11:10 AM
    I allow our guys to use earphones. If it makes them happier at work and keeps them working hard that's fine. I do tell them that I'd prefer them to either leave one out or turned at a moderate volume this way if someone is yelling or a machine is making a funny noise they can hear it better. If things aren't going as I'd like the earphones are the first priviledge that is taken away. I feel at times they can be a distraction as they are more concerned about what is playing rather than how the job they are doing. We have a good understanding of the priviledge here and it's worked. I've only once taken the priviledge away, due to small things being missed "poor concentration and effort".



  13. Kyle Fick
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    10/18/2012 4:10 PM
    I'm with the guys who allow as well. Why fight the issue. I used to try to be strict about no ear phones, etc. because you won't hear golfers and so on. But I've changed with some staff convincing. First off, I've found that when working alone on a mower for 4+ hours or so, the younger generation tends to get a little side tracked and quality will deminish whether they are rocking out or not. As others said, if they can be happier mowing, aerating, etc. with some tunes, so what at this point. I make a deal with all of em though: first time it becomes a problem, we'll revisit it. WHen working in pairs or on projects, no way as we need to hear our co workers and worry about the equipment others are using on site.



  14. David Brandenburg
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    10/18/2012 7:10 PM
    Earphones are allowed whenever preforming jobs you can be aware of your surroundings such as mowing, raking bunkers, cups etc. They are not allowed when weed-eating, edging bunkers, working in teams.

    Most of our retires wear the headphones with radios built in.



  15. Evans James H
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    10/18/2012 8:10 PM
    We purchase AEO OSHA approved headphones that have a built in am/fm radio for staff members after they pass the 90 day probation. The headphones also have a jack for smartphones or 2 way radio communication. The cost is $49.95 for each radio and can be purchased from grainier, Home Depot, and lowes. This has worked great for me but I have extremely low turnover so it's not like am purchasing them all the time. Andy I'm sure my dad would enjoy these while he is spraying!



  16. Andy Jorgensen
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    10/19/2012 5:10 AM
    James Evans said: We purchase AEO OSHA approved headphones that have a built in am/fm radio for staff members after they pass the 90 day probation. The headphones also have a jack for smartphones or 2 way radio communication. The cost is $49.95 for each radio and can be purchased from grainier, Home Depot, and lowes. This has worked great for me but I have extremely low turnover so it's not like am purchasing them all the time. Andy I'm sure my dad would enjoy these while he is spraying!



    But how will he hear himself talking?



  17. Virgil Range
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    10/19/2012 6:10 AM
    No go on the headphones here... I feel like employees do not focus as much while listening to music. Sure it makes the day go faster and is more enjoyable but again listening to music takes focus away from doing work. Ive have employees and even myself as an assistant singing while mowing. Its loud, golfers do not need to hear someone singing on the course, and again on the focus thing.

    I do offer hearing protection with the ear buds but thats it.



  18. Hardy Andrew
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    10/19/2012 7:10 AM
    No go here, owner's orders. I agree with it for the most part, but the staff would certainly like it a lot.

    BTW- Red's choice of music is more Vanilla Ice in case everyone forgot (Ice, Ice baby)



  19. Richard Jensen
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    10/19/2012 1:10 PM
    No headphones/ear-buds, other than OSHA/ANSI approved hearing protection, allowed here. Andy is spot on with OSHA regulations. Just completed our annual audio-metric testing and have two employees with recordable shifts that must be included on the OSHA 300 log. Have to have them retested within the next 30 days, if it was an anomaly on testing day their baseline will be adjusted and we can line out their entries on the 300 log. Also, OSHA does not recognize age related hearing loss and with any standard threshold or recordable shift you must counsel individual employees and attempt to determine the reason for increased hearing loss since their last test. I would inquire with your workers comp insurance carriers for their recommendations.



  20. Andy Jorgensen
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    10/19/2012 6:10 PM
    Richard Jensen said: No headphones/ear-buds, other than OSHA/ANSI approved hearing protection, allowed here. Andy is spot on with OSHA regulations. Just completed our annual audio-metric testing and have two employees with recordable shifts that must be included on the OSHA 300 log. Have to have them retested within the next 30 days, if it was an anomaly on testing day their baseline will be adjusted and we can line out their entries on the 300 log. Also, OSHA does not recognize age related hearing loss and with any standard threshold or recordable shift you must counsel individual employees and attempt to determine the reason for increased hearing loss since their last test. I would inquire with your workers comp insurance carriers for their recommendations.



    And here I thought I was the only one that did annual hearing tests....We are in the same boat. About to do another round of db testing on all equipment due to new fleet being received. Glad I'm not the only one.



  21. Jennings Dustin T
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    11/6/2012 11:11 AM
    I allow headphones. In some cases it helps with employee moral being able to listen to their music whenever they are on mowers, weedeating etc. To them it helps the time go by faster and i've noticed it slightly increases productivity. I highly recommend the ear-buds that fit in your ears like ear plugs with rubber inserts. That way they are blocking out noise from loud machinery and still allow you to listen to music. I personally have been using them for years and haven't noticed any hearing problems at all.



  22. Stephen Okula
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    11/7/2012 9:11 PM
    Officially, they're banned, but if a guy is doing his job well with them on I pretend not to see it.



  23. Hamilton Griffith
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    11/8/2012 8:11 AM
    Long story short, at my last club I had a guy lose the tip of his finger as a result of wearing headphones. Also consider the legal aspect of it. What if someone gets hurt and they decide to sue your club? I know, it sounds ridiculous, but it happens everyday. Even if they don't win the case your still going to encounter a huge headache and cost going through the legal process.


    Scott Griffith
    UGA Golf Course



  24. Baker Daniel
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    11/8/2012 2:11 PM
    Hamilton Griffith said: Long story short, at my last club I had a guy lose the tip of his finger as a result of wearing headphones. Also consider the legal aspect of it. What if someone gets hurt and they decide to sue your club? I know, it sounds ridiculous, but it happens everyday. Even if they don't win the case your still going to encounter a huge headache and cost going through the legal process.


    Scott Griffith
    UGA Golf Course



    Could you explain the connection between his ears and his finger? Would the use of earplugs have caused the same issue?

    As you may can tell, I allow them. I encourage my guys to be relaxed when they work and think of it as an alternative to ear plugs. Unless you have the music blaring, you can still hear the undertone of the mower. Most of my operators have been around long enough to "feel" when somethings not right before they may have heard it on most equipment



  25. Andy Jorgensen
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    11/8/2012 5:11 PM
    All you guys that allow them, how can you ignore the fact that they are not OSHA approved?



  26. Melvin Waldron
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    11/8/2012 11:11 PM
    Andy Jorgensen said: All you guys that allow them, how can you ignore the fact that they are not OSHA approved?


    Probably because OSHA is ignored all the time on everything anyway?

    Andy, I thought it was great that your company does the hearing test and all, my question if I can ask is how does your company justify the cost? Do you get breaks from your workman's comp insurance? Are there other cost benefits? I can figure that you pick up productivity with good morale. Just wondering as your setting an example that I doubt many in our industry follow.

    Thanks, Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  27. Andy Jorgensen
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    11/9/2012 7:11 AM
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:
    Andy Jorgensen said: All you guys that allow them, how can you ignore the fact that they are not OSHA approved?


    Probably because OSHA is ignored all the time on everything anyway?


    Really? I hope that isn't the attitude everyone takes. We try to be OSHA compliant with everything we do. We have an ex-OSHA inspector as our workmans comp representative. He works very closely with us as he knows what they expect. He says it time and time again that if OSHA were to do an inspection, playing dumb or ignorant on why you aren't following the law doesn't fly.

    Why is it that Superintendents follow the letter of the law to a "T" when applying pesticides, but not when it comes to follow OSHA rules and regulations?

    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said: Andy, I thought it was great that your company does the hearing test and all, my question if I can ask is how does your company justify the cost? Do you get breaks from your workman's comp insurance? Are there other cost benefits? I can figure that you pick up productivity with good morale. Just wondering as your setting an example that I doubt many in our industry follow.

    Thanks, Mel


    Yes, there is a cost associated with all of it. But it's not much. I think we pay $15/employee.

    We do get a break for doing pre-employment and random drug screens. Does the break offset the cost, I can't answer that question. Does employing a drug free workforce save us money in accidents, I'm willing to bet it does.

    I'd like to see the proof that the added productivity offsets the risk for accidents by allowing to use headphones. Trust me, I'd much rather be listening to some good music rather than the humm of the engine while mowing fairways. But I'd also like to go 90-95 while driving down the interstate. Unfortunately though, neither is safe and I couldn't afford any tickets or fines associated with doing so, therefore I don't.



  28. Porter Robert W
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    11/9/2012 8:11 AM
    Most of my guys use the Ear Muffs with radio built in. Plus, they have a spot to plug in an iPod. They are NRR 22 db



  29. Porter Robert W
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    11/9/2012 8:11 AM
    AOSafety Worktunes are OSHA Approved according to the technical specs of the product.



  30. Melvin Waldron
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    11/9/2012 10:11 AM
    Andy,

    I don't disagree with what you are saying, but I also know many businesses just don't have the resources to be as up to date on OSHA and what's required. I applaud your company's attitude on the welfare of their employees.

    Thanks for that information Robert, that might be a good way to meet the requirements while still giving the employees the opportunity to listen to their music.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

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