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  1. Melvin Waldron
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    7/9/2012 7:07 AM
    David McCallum said: I read the same article Mel. The ID was not supposed to apply only to one, but to all parties. I am still at a loss that anyone thinks its unfair to prove who you are in voting in this country. On the front page of my local paper today, was a post card mailed to everyone in the state of Mississippi from the registar of voters allowing them to receive a FREE photo ID from the state to allow everyone the priviledge to vote. Do not see the problem with that. The same groups that load up busloads and van loads of folks to take them to the polls to vote can take them to get their free photo ID.


    I get what your saying David, and in good economic times is when this should have been put into place, the cost the states are paying for getting people free id's takes money away from I believe things that should be higher prioritized. Besides the republican lawmakers that pushed these through ran on the platform of jobs, don't see where they were working on that. And why don't they just tell the real reason, since voter fraud was very minor, it was to help them get back into power. I at least have to give that guy from PA credit, he told the truth, he can't be a real politician.

    That's my opinion, and I guess I'm not changing my stand on that either.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  2. McCallum David K
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    7/10/2012 6:07 AM
    Mel I can't believe it cost much to produce a photo ID...........they charge $16 if you actually pay for one but if poor you can obtain it for free........what .25 or .50 cents........can't be much. The money spent of a free ID is money well spent in my opinion if it both stops someone not eligble to vote and proves some eligible can vote.



  3. Sandy Clark
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    7/10/2012 9:07 AM
    I saw this morning where the idiot Biden is telling people during campaign stops that the Republicans are making it so that you may be arrested when you vote. Come on now, is he really that stupid? Is the left that willing to lie about a serious issue?



  4. Wahlin Scott B
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    7/10/2012 10:07 AM
    Here's the context, via the pool report:

    Recalling a story that Cantwell had told as she was introducing him about crying as a little girl because she thought one of her neighbors had said she wasn't going to vote and Cantwell feared she would be arrested, Biden said it wasn't much different today. "Republicans have changed the law so you get arrested if you do vote," he said, apparently joking. He cited efforts in Pennsylvania, Ohio and elsewhere "to essentially try to intimidate people, taking people off the roles."

    "This is not your father's Republican Party," he said.



  5. Sandy Clark
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    7/10/2012 12:07 PM
    I am sorry. Biden is not smart enough or certainly witty enough to tell a joke. He has a history!



  6. Jon Gansen
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    7/10/2012 3:07 PM
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:
    David McCallum said: I read the same article Mel. The ID was not supposed to apply only to one, but to all parties. I am still at a loss that anyone thinks its unfair to prove who you are in voting in this country. On the front page of my local paper today, was a post card mailed to everyone in the state of Mississippi from the registar of voters allowing them to receive a FREE photo ID from the state to allow everyone the priviledge to vote. Do not see the problem with that. The same groups that load up busloads and van loads of folks to take them to the polls to vote can take them to get their free photo ID.


    I get what your saying David, and in good economic times is when this should have been put into place, the cost the states are paying for getting people free id's takes money away from I believe things that should be higher prioritized. Besides the republican lawmakers that pushed these through ran on the platform of jobs, don't see where they were working on that. And why don't they just tell the real reason, since voter fraud was very minor, it was to help them get back into power. I at least have to give that guy from PA credit, he told the truth, he can't be a real politician.

    That's my opinion, and I guess I'm not changing my stand on that either.

    Mel


    I dont understand what the hassle is to present a photo ID to vote. You need a picture ID to board an airplane, get a job, set up bank accounts, and in Iowa you need photo ID to purchase some over the counter meds. In Chicago you need one to purchase some drain cleaners. How do some of the poor receive government assistance, social security checks how do you go thru life with no identification? Iowa photo ID costs 5 bucks. In Calf. the cost is 26.00 but if your low income it is 7.00. Will you need ID under Obama care or just get to take a number and get medical treatment?



  7. Wahlin Scott B
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    7/10/2012 5:07 PM
    Just curious, but who legitimately does not have a photo ID? It seems like a very convenient item to have when there is cop's foot on your neck? When I first got my DL it did not have a photo, but I still had to show it along with my voter's registration when I went to vote. I have had to show my DL and voter's registration every time since.



  8. Melvin Waldron
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    7/11/2012 8:07 AM
    David McCallum said: Mel I can't believe it cost much to produce a photo ID...........they charge $16 if you actually pay for one but if poor you can obtain it for free........what .25 or .50 cents........can't be much. The money spent of a free ID is money well spent in my opinion if it both stops someone not eligble to vote and proves some eligible can vote.


    David,

    According to an article I read when it was being passed in Missouri, actually if I remember correctly it is suppose to be taken to the voters. It was going to cost $7 million for the election itself, and 7 million to provide id's. It was a while ago so it might take some time to try to find the article, and our local paper's archive sucks, or I suck at using it.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  9. Sandy Clark
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    7/11/2012 10:07 AM
    It required a photo ID for journalists to get into the NAACP presentation by Eric Holder! He who screams discrimination if you ask voters to provide ID requires those listening to him to show an ID. How is this not hypocritical? In his world, voter fraud is ok as long as you vote for his party but he is too important to be seen without photo ID. As far as cost to require voter ID at the polls, it wouldn't cost a single penny! Mam, sir, please show me your ID before I hand you your ballot. Thank you, here is your ballot. No cost or inconvenience at all!



  10. Wahlin Scott B
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    7/11/2012 11:07 AM
    I am going to go with "photo ID" = "press credentials" in right-wing radio land!



  11. Sandy Clark
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    7/11/2012 3:07 PM
    I could care less if the ID is related to a press credential. He is a hypocrite and has been ever since he helped Clinton get Mark Rich off the hook. Black Panthers, Fast and Furious and now phony voter ID issues. The guy is simply a political tool and not an Attorney General. His position is supposed to be based on law, not partisanship. ID's are not good for voters but they are for the Press?



  12. Ronald Kirkman
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    7/11/2012 4:07 PM
    Sandy,

    Attorney General holder will not be around in the near future. He's too much weight for Obama to carry. Your new Attorney General will be Governor Duval Patrick from Massachusetts.

    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA 02492



  13. Niemier Rick A
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    7/11/2012 5:07 PM
    Just a silly question but when was the last time someone was charged or convicted of voter fraud? Is it widespread?



  14. Sandy Clark
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    7/12/2012 9:07 AM
    Captain, I agree. When Holder proves too hot for Obama, you will see a sudden resignation. Rick, now that voter fraud is being looked into you will see far more people busted and showing up in court. Living in the desert southwest area, I can tell you that voter fraud has been alive and well for quite some time. We need a bunch of the cheaters going to prison to get voting back to being trusted. For me, this isn't a partisan issue. I don't want to see cheats anywhere.



  15. Melvin Waldron
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    8/7/2012 6:08 PM
    Voted this afternoon in our state primary.

    I just produced my voter id card, they scanned it, asked if I still live at my address and had me sign a electronic signature block thing like when paying with a credit card.

    They didn't ask to see my license even though I had it out. Come to think of it 19 out of 20 times I don't have to produce id when using my credit card, only at Casey in and out stores.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  16. Peter Bowman
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    8/7/2012 10:08 PM
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:

    Come to think of it 19 out of 20 times I don't have to produce id when using my credit card, only at Casey in and out stores.

    Mel


    The only reason they check is because the boss tells them to. The only thing they can be checking is whether or not the name on the credit card matches the name on the ID. And what does that prove? All it proves is that the name on the credit card is the same name on the ID that were in the wallet the thief just stole. Amazes me every time they do that. What a waste of time.

    Now, showing an ID when voting, that's a different story. At least they could be checking that my address matches their rolls.



  17. Melvin Waldron
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    8/8/2012 3:08 PM
    Peter Bowman, CGCS said:
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:

    Come to think of it 19 out of 20 times I don't have to produce id when using my credit card, only at Casey in and out stores.

    Mel


    The only reason they check is because the boss tells them to. The only thing they can be checking is whether or not the name on the credit card matches the name on the ID. And what does that prove? All it proves is that the name on the credit card is the same name on the ID that were in the wallet the thief just stole. Amazes me every time they do that. What a waste of time.

    Now, showing an ID when voting, that's a different story. At least they could be checking that my address matches their rolls.


    Pete you make a good point except for the photo thing....I guess I have to rob someone that looks just like me? The poor guy.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  18. Peter Bowman
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    8/18/2012 7:08 AM
    Rick Niemier said: Just a silly question but when was the last time someone was charged or convicted of voter fraud? Is it widespread?


    Minnesota, apparently 177 convictions with 66 awaiting trial.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/capitol/w ... CgKlpmgyZM



  19. McCallum David K
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    8/20/2012 6:08 AM
    Went to the Baton Rouge Clinic on Friday afternoon. A large group of doctors (150+) of every speciality known to man. They switched over about 10 days ago to electronic records mandated by the federal goverment. I had to produce photo ID at check in.........now required to prove you are who you say you are.........took 5 seconds longer. And doesn;t it make you feel secure knowing now all of your medical records are floating aroound in cyber space just waiting for some 14 yo hacker to find them. Requiring a photo ID to vote is not unjust.



  20. Sandy Clark
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    8/22/2012 9:08 AM
    California will probably be impacted more than any other state by the amnesty provided by the Dream Act Obama mandated. I can't remember where I read or heard it but this will open the door to huge voter fraud potential. If you can now apply for a drivers license due to motor voter rules, you will also be able to register to vote and nobody will ever follow up on it. State and Federal officials are not following up to ensure voter honesty. It is on the honor system. The way the dem machine works in CA means you will now have a huge number of new but illegal democrat voters. It won't make much of a difference in national politics unless the electoral vote concept changes because the unions own the state and they vote democrat. It will impact all state and local elections. I think we have put ourselves in a death spiral with this concept of fairness. It may be propaganda but I heard gov. employee unions pushed extra hard for Obama Care because they envision 20 million new dues paying voting members rather than any real concern for medical care. Between the two, we are in a mess!



  21. Melvin Waldron
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    8/22/2012 10:08 AM
    Was watching TV over the weekend, and the issues that some are finding when trying to get their new id's are there are not offices close by or the hours have been reduced making it hard for those trying to obtain their new legitimate id's, etc. The questions were raised, what about those that might be working two jobs, are far from id offices. The states with these problems were Texas, Pennsylvania and Ohio.

    I am all for tightening the id situation in the long run, but it seems these states rushed these new requirements before they were in a good position to be able to give all their citizens an opportunity to get their new id's before this up coming election. It smacks of political games in order to get one party back into power nationally. That is where I am having the problem.

    The problem Sandy describes would worry me some, but if technology is put to good use, and I'm guessing if government isn't cut back to much, these people following under the program Sandy describes shouldn't really become an issue, that's my opinion. Do other legal aliens non-citizens are they able to circumvent the system when they obtain drivers licenses? I would hope not. If they can that is a problem that should be fixed.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  22. Wahlin Scott B
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    8/22/2012 12:08 PM
    I recently had to upgrade my drivers license to meet the standards of the federal Real ID Act. It was very stringent and the laws requires that the issuer (includes state ID cards) verify the information provided with the agency that provided it. It is no different in California and has nothing to do with "motor voter laws".

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:H.R.418:



  23. Sandy Clark
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    8/22/2012 4:08 PM
    Scott, you can lie through your teeth out here and nobody is going to follow up to see if what you answered is true. I hope and pray it is more stringent in other states because California is becoming a third world joke when it comes to common sense. Believe me, I was born in San Diego, still live there and have seen this steady erosion take place. We are so politically correct that anything you try to enforce is considered discrimination against somebody! I wish it was different.



  24. Wahlin Scott B
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    8/23/2012 1:08 PM
    HR 418 passed in 2005 with 140 co-sponsors. The states had until 2008 to comply and I am not sure any made it. Florida will come into compliance this year. I am sure there are many illegals now who do not have current identification. If you do not think California is obeying a federal law you should bring it to the attention of your congressional representatives.



  25. Melvin Waldron
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    9/24/2012 8:09 PM
    [quote">[size=150">Republicans look for voter fraud, find little[/size">

    ..DENVER (AP) — Republican election officials who promised to root out voter fraud so far are finding little evidence of a widespread problem.

    State officials in key presidential battleground states have found only a tiny fraction of the illegal voters they initially suspected existed. Searches in Colorado and Florida have yielded numbers that amount to less than one-tenth of 1 percent of all registered voters in either state.

    Democrats say the searches waste time and, worse, could disenfranchise eligible voters who are swept up in the checks.

    "I find it offensive that I'm being required to do more than any other citizen to prove that I can vote," said Samantha Meiring, 37, a Colorado voter and South African immigrant who became a U.S. citizen in 2010. Meiring was among 3,903 registered voters who received letters last month from the Colorado Secretary of State's office questioning their right to vote.

    Especially telling, critics of the searches say, is that the efforts are focused on crucial swing states from Colorado to Florida, where both political parties and the presidential campaigns are watching every vote. And in Colorado, most of those who received letters are either Democrats or unaffiliated with a party. It's a similar story in Florida, too.

    Republicans argue that voting fraud is no small affair, even if the cases are few, when some elections are decided by hundreds of votes.

    "We have real vulnerabilities in the system," said Colorado Secretary of State Scott Gessler, a Republican elected in 2010 who is making a name for himself at home by pursuing the issue. "I don't think one should be saying the sky is falling, but at the same time, we have to recognize we have a serious vulnerability."

    The different viewpoints underscore a divide between the parties: Are the small numbers of voting fraud evidence that a problem exists? Or do they show that the voter registration system works?

    COLORADO

    Last year, Gessler estimated that 11,805 noncitizens were on the rolls.

    But the number kept getting smaller.

    After his office sent letters to 3,903 registered voters questioning their status, the number of noncitizens now stands at 141, based on checks using a federal immigration database. Of those 141, Gessler said 35 have voted in the past. The 141 are .004 percent of the state's nearly 3.5 million voters.

    Even those numbers could be fewer.

    The Denver clerk and recorder's office, which had records on eight of the 35 voters who cast ballots in the past, did its own verification and found that those eight people appear to be citizens.

    Kevin Biln, an Adams County resident on the list, said he didn't know he was registered and maintains that he's never voted. Another voter on the list, Erica Zelfand, a Canadian immigrant, said she's a U.S. citizen no longer living in Colorado. Robert Giron said he was furious that the 20-year-old daughter he adopted from Mexico was listed as having illegally voted. He said she went to the Denver clerk's office with her U.S. passport and other documents to prove her eligibility to vote.

    To Pam Anderson, the clerk and recorder in Jefferson County in suburban Denver, the investigation proves what's already been her experience: Cases of noncitizens on the rolls are extremely rare.

    Anderson said the fighting between the political parties over the perception of voter fraud also has less tangible consequences.

    "It impacts people's confidence in elections, which is extraordinarily important," she said.

    FLORIDA

    Florida's search began after the state's Division of Elections said that as many as 180,000 registered voters weren't citizens. Like Colorado and other states, Florida relied on driver's license data showing that people on the rolls at one point showed proof of non-citizenship, such as a green card.

    Florida eventually narrowed its list of suspected noncitizens to 2,600 and found that 207 of them weren't citizens, based on its use of the federal database called SAVE, or the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements. The system tracks who is a legal resident eligible to receive government benefits.

    Of the 2,600 initially marked as possible noncitizens, about 38 percent were unaffiliated voters and 40 percent were Democrats, according to an analysis by The Miami Herald.

    The state has more than 11.4 million registered voters, so the 207 amounts to .001 percent of the voter roll.

    Florida Secretary of State Ken Detzner, a Republican, said in a statement that the initiative "is already proving to be a successful process to identify illegally registered voters," which he noted is crucial in a state where the 2000 presidential election was decided by 537 votes.

    NORTH CAROLINA

    In North Carolina, the nonpartisan state elections board last year sent letters to 637 suspected noncitizens after checking driver's license data. Of those, 223 responded showing proof they were citizens, and 79 acknowledged they weren't citizens and were removed from the rolls along with another 331 who didn't respond to repeated letters, said Veronica Degraffenreid, an elections liaison for the board.

    She said the board did not find evidence of widespread fraud, noting there were only 12 instances in which a noncitizen had voted. North Carolina has 6.4 million voters.

    "What we're finding is there is strong indication that the voter rolls in North Carolina are sound," Degraffenreid said.

    MICHIGAN

    Michigan Secretary of State Ruth Johnson, a Republican, last week estimated that as many as 4,000 noncitizens are on the state's voter roll.

    The department said it verified 1,000 registered voters who are noncitizens, based on an analysis of about 20 percent of complete citizenship data. She extrapolated the 4,000 number from the most recent U.S. Census' five-year American Community Survey, which showed Michigan has a noncitizen population of about 304,000.

    That's as far as the investigation has gone. The figures have not been verified.

    OTHER STATES

    Ohio and Iowa, both with recently elected Republican secretaries of state, also are negotiating with the federal government to also use the SAVE database to verify citizenship, although it's unlikely they'll have enough time to do anything before the Nov. 6 election. While Ohio doesn't have a list of names it wants to check, Iowa is looking at verifying the status of 3,500 registered voters.

    Last week, Iowa's Division of Criminal Investigation filed election misconduct charges against three noncitizens who voted in gubernatorial and city elections in 2010 and 2011. Among the three are Canadians who told investigators they thought they were only barred from voting in presidential elections.

    The three were on a list of about 1,000 names of potential noncitizens who had voted since 2010, which Iowa Secretary of State Matt Schultz forwarded to the Division of Criminal Investigation.

    Early voting in Iowa begins Thursday and Schultz recently told legislators that his office wants to use the information from the federal database "in a responsible manner."

    "When somebody casts a ballot you can't un-ring that bell," he said. "If somebody is ineligible to vote and they cast a ballot that's been counted we can't take that back. This is an important election coming up."

    ___

    Associated Press writer David Pitt in Des Moines, Iowa, contributed to this report.

    ...

    So much for all the job creation they were suppose to do when they won in 2010.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  26. McCallum David K
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    9/25/2012 8:09 AM
    And the point of that was what Mel..........one or two or ten illegally cast votes are OK? Kind of like being pregnant huh........not worried about how many young teenage girls are getting pregnant unless it happens to be your your teenage daughter. One illegal vote or 10,000.........1 drunk driver or 500 ........... what number makes it right?



  27. Melvin Waldron
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    9/25/2012 9:09 AM
    David McCallum said: And the point of that was what Mel..........one or two or ten illegally cast votes are OK? Kind of like being pregnant huh........not worried about how many young teenage girls are getting pregnant unless it happens to be your your teenage daughter. One illegal vote or 10,000.........1 drunk driver or 500 ........... what number makes it right?


    I'm sure none of it is right, but the two points I have tried to make through this whole deal has been:

    1. We (well not me I didn't elect any of these guys this last election cycle) voted these guys in because they talked about job creation, getting the economy back on track, smaller government, well they created jobs in the voter registration office, but created bigger government or at least government getting involved with our lives between this and the abortion issues. And at what cost to correct the problem? When we are talking about spending and debt issues, I guess my thought is what is the priority of spending? If you want to cut spending anyway, then why spend what money we have on this? As to young girls getting pregnant, good analogy, since many republicans wanted to defund planned parenthood where contraceptive services are available, maybe the money spent on voter fraud could have been spent there?

    2. I felt it was all politically motivated, at least the dope in Penn. spoke the truth, maybe he does deserve those peoples votes? Should we work to clean up voting roles and make sure no illegal votes occur? Sure we should, but to rush to get the job done, sure looked politically motivated to me. When WWII vets such as Mad Money's Jim Kramer's (or however it's spelled) gets tossed off the voter roles or doesn't have the proper id is a travesty considering what he did to provide all of us with the opportunity to vote. When more eligible voters are thrown off the voting roles then illegal voters, to me that is an issue.

    Just my opinions.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  28. Albert Kronwall
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    9/25/2012 12:09 PM
    Here in Wisconsin we have a Government Accountability Board that refuses to investigate anything relating to voter fraud unless a republican wins, then no stone is left unturned. The leftist judges have blocked voter ID legislation against the will of the majority voters.

    If you feel voter fraud is not a big issue why do you advocate blocking assurances that only eligible voters are voting?

    In 2009 North Korean leader Kim Jong-il reported that 99.98% of eligible voters voted. He received 100% of the vote to win his re-election to Parliament. All seats were won by the Democratic Front for the Reunification of the Fatherland, under the control of the Worker's Party. Is this the direction you want this county to go?

    I say nip it in the bud and restore faith in our election system.



  29. Melvin Waldron
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    9/25/2012 1:09 PM
    Albert Kronwall said: Here in Wisconsin we have a Government Accountability Board that refuses to investigate anything relating to voter fraud unless a republican wins, then no stone is left unturned. The leftist judges have blocked voter ID legislation against the will of the majority voters.

    If you feel voter fraud is not a big issue why do you advocate blocking assurances that only eligible voters are voting?

    In 2009 North Korean leader Kim Jong-il reported that 99.98% of eligible voters voted. He received 100% of the vote to win his re-election to Parliament. All seats were won by the Democratic Front for the Reunification of the Fatherland, under the control of the Worker's Party. Is this the direction you want this county to go?

    I say nip it in the bud and restore faith in our election system.


    I didn't say not to block the cleaning up of voter rolls, what I advocate is doing it properly and not rushing it just as a political tool. I have heard that there have been those that typically vote republican that have been removed as well. If you going to do a job, do it properly not half-crocked....when veterans who have served this country (and in my opinion defended our opportunity to vote) get taken off the voting rolls, even one is too many and is flat out bear soap.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  30. Dyrck Fanning
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    9/25/2012 7:09 PM
    http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2012-0 ... cal-issues
    All is well with US voting procedures.



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