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  1. Ronald Kirkman
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    7/5/2017 11:07 AM
    Larry Allan said: Captain, I recently read where a medication that is used for epilepsy can effectively slow down and even partially reverse the effects of dementia.
    Just a thought


    Larry, I ain't that far gone YET!!!!!!!!! But, Then Again, you may have a point. Then Again, you may have stayed in the frozen tundra for too long a period of time!!!!!!!!!

    Capt. Kirk



  2. Stephen Okula
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    7/5/2017 4:07 PM
    Frank McQuiggan said: My 2 cents:

    What we need to do is make the insurance companies make insurance affordable for all to be able to get it on their own. I don't believe its the Governments responsibility to provide everyone with health insurance, especially Illegal aliens. Government should be forcing the employers to provide health insurance to their employees cost share this insurance....When working overseas I paid 14.1% for insurance and the employer paid the same amount. Government did not pay nothing for me because I was able to work. (hence the myth of government provided insurance) Everything was taken out of my paycheck before I saw it like a tax. I paid a total of around 23% out of my check...14.1 went to insurance and the remaining went to the government. Now where the government did pay for a persons health insurance was when someone COULD NOTphysically work. The welfare system did not provide for all these people who choose not to work like here. I know I'm going to get bashed on that one but you have to admit that there are a lot of LAZY people drawing welfare and benefits here that could work but they choose not to because they get the same thing from welfare for free. It's true just go ahead and admit it. Put them to work, you want welfare go push a broom clean the streets or the park up to earn that check. ( I know I'm mean). So why should the government provide everyone with insurance, the government should be cracking down on the stupid law suits and stopping them, quit awarding millions and millions of dollars for frivolous claims. Maybe then the doctors will charge less( we could hope) force the insurance companies to charge a fair price...percentage is the way to go in my opinion.

    So go ahead slam me now.


    The government should make free paragraphs available to all legal residents. Illegals an go pick fruit and pay for it themselves if they want to start a new paragraph.



  3. Clay Putnam
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    7/5/2017 7:07 PM
    Frank McQuiggan said: My 2 cents:

    What we need to do is make the insurance companies make insurance affordable for all to be able to get it on their own.


    Insurance companies making huge profit margins is a common misnomer. The average net profit for the heath insurance sector is in the 5-8% range. That 5-8% can equal a lot of money but as a percentage insurance companies are not the money hoarding boogiemen many like to portray them. Insurance rates are a direct result of healthcare provider costs; doctors, hospitals, pharma, etc. and other factors such as fraud, tort issues, the uninsured, and so on. I have no particular love for insurance companies but they are not out of line with their profits. Its not the governments business to regulate profitability.



  4. Peter Bowman
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    7/5/2017 10:07 PM
    Ronald Kirkman said: GREETINGS

    And, we can not forget that we have between 10 and 15 million illegal aliens in the country that also need health insurance.

    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA


    We can't forget hem? Why not? They're illegal by definition.

    We should demand their employers pay their health insurance. Oh wait, that would incriminate the employer.

    Maybe they could get it like they do car insurance in California. If you're illegal you can get a drivers license as long as you have insurance. Oh wait, that don't bother with that either.

    Maybe we could make them immediately as they sneak across go straight to the nearest health insurance provider.

    It'll never work.



  5. Larry Allan
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    7/6/2017 4:07 AM
    It may be just a coincidence but the US doesn't use the metric system or have a universal health care system. I believe the only country in the western democracies to be able to say that. Maybe if you ease yourselves into the metric system, universal health care will naturally follow.
    Just a thought



  6. Frank McQuiggan
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    7/6/2017 6:07 AM
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said:

    Insurance companies making huge profit margins is a common misnomer. The average net profit for the heath insurance sector is in the 5-8% range. That 5-8% can equal a lot of money but as a percentage insurance companies are not the money hoarding boogiemen many like to portray them. Insurance rates are a direct result of healthcare provider costs; doctors, hospitals, pharma, etc. and other factors such as fraud, tort issues, the uninsured, and so on. I have no particular love for insurance companies but they are not out of line with their profits. Its not the governments business to regulate profitability.



    Clay, I agree that its not the insurance companies making a huge profit, that the problem is the whole health care system. It's a vicious circle that we have just like any other business. They have to pay more out of their pockets so they charge more to everyone to break even (so they say). Biggest complaint from Doctors and their side is the cost of malpractice insurance...and its not just the doctors insurance hospitals have to carry it, nurses are insured with it also...So all that adds to the price that health insurance companies have to pay out which in turn they pass off to you and me.

    If you ask the doctors they aren't making any money its the insurance companies making all the money. They make a mistake and it cost their malpractice insurance company millions, which in turn they pass off the cost by raising the rates for said doctor, who charges more to see him, which cause health insurance to pay more out, so now they charge more to everyone...vicious circle never ends. If we limit the amount on law suits to more reasonable payouts maybe the rates would not go up so quick, which maybe then the cost will equal out. I doubt it but we can wish.



  7. Stephen Okula
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    7/6/2017 9:07 PM
    The largest health insurance companies made record profits in the first quarter of 2017, 4.5 billion dollars total, that's profit, even while they say they can't afford to stay in the ACA?

    https://www.axios.com/profits-are-boomi ... 94773.html



  8. Clay Putnam
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    7/7/2017 6:07 AM
    Like I said, the small percentage can equate to big dollars. What percentage would you find reasonable?

    http://csimarket.com/Industry/industry_Profitability_Ratios.php?s=800



  9. Stephen Okula
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    7/7/2017 2:07 PM
    And those samll margins you speak of are calculated after executive compensation.

    The compensation packages for the CEO's of the 20 largest health insurance companies in the U.S. ranged from 14-47 million dollars in 2015.

    http://www.beckershospitalreview.com/co ... -2015.html

    So the suffering American public pays premiunms to make executives obscenely rich, and you want to say that the insurance companies are only playing fair.



  10. Clay Putnam
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    7/8/2017 7:07 AM
    Steve,

    The percentage comparison is in relation to any industry. Pick one; oil, banking, tech, trucking, golf, and on and on. Insurance is not out of line when compared to any of them. I'm giving facts not opinion. The opinions are all yours.



  11. Steven Huffstutler
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    7/8/2017 9:07 AM
    Here's a fact;

    Before the ACA, my wife has several pre existing conditions when the private school she worked for decided to quit offering health insurance to it's employees.
    I get my health care through the VA but since she's not a vet, she doesn't qualify for that.
    I could afford to buy a private policy for her but no one would sell me one for any amount of money. If you think that we were alone in this sort of predicament, you're wrong.

    Regards,

    Steve



  12. Stephen Okula
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    7/8/2017 1:07 PM
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said: Steve,

    The percentage comparison is in relation to any industry. Pick one; oil, banking, tech, trucking, golf, and on and on. Insurance is not out of line when compared to any of them. I'm giving facts not opinion. The opinions are all yours.


    When a CEO makes one thousand times the median income of the customers for indispensale products and services like banks, fuel, and health care, it is morally repugnant, it should be criminal.



  13. Steven Huffstutler
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    7/9/2017 4:07 PM
    http://www.timesrecordnews.com/story/op ... 455354001/
    This is an interesting article that you may care to read on the subject.



  14. Melvin Waldron
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    7/10/2017 7:07 AM
    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said: http://www.timesrecordnews.com/story/opinion/2017/07/06/youve-been-watching-mandating-game/455354001/
    This is an interesting article that you may care to read on the subject.



    Thanks Steve for sharing, I try to remind Republicans of that fact all the time, maybe we need to send this to all our representatives and tell them to stop play partisan politics and just fix the damn thing. And we the voters need to hold them accountable, stop voting party and vote for people.

    Don't call it Obamacare, or Trumpcare (of course that is how they keep us divided) We need to stop dividing ourselves and hold those people accountable.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  15. Ronald Kirkman
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    7/10/2017 1:07 PM
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:
    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said: http://www.timesrecordnews.com/story/opinion/2017/07/06/youve-been-watching-mandating-game/455354001/
    This is an interesting article that you may care to read on the subject.



    Thanks Steve for sharing, I try to remind Republicans of that fact all the time, maybe we need to send this to all our representatives and tell them to stop play partisan politics and just fix the damn thing. And we the voters need to hold them accountable, stop voting party and vote for people.

    Don't call it Obamacare, or Trumpcare (of course that is how they keep us divided) We need to stop dividing ourselves and hold those people accountable.

    Mel


    Hi Mel;

    I also try to remind democrats of that fact all the time. And, you are right, if the democrats stopped voting for party and voted only for the people, there would no longer be a democratic party. Neither party can do a thing about healthcare unless we become a socialist country and before many of you write back and curse me, as said before, just tell us how we can take care of 330 million people and about 15 million illegals in the country.

    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club
    Needham, MA



  16. Steven Huffstutler
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    7/13/2017 6:07 PM
    Possibly one of the most disjointed arguments/ statements I have heard in awhile. I'm curious Ron, even though it's off topic, about how you would feel if the Clinton family was found to be plotting with the Russians to throw an election?

    Regards,

    Steve



  17. Larry Allan
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    7/14/2017 8:07 AM
    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said: Possibly one of the most disjointed arguments/ statements I have heard in awhile. I'm curious Ron, even though it's off topic, about how you would feel if the Clinton family was found to be plotting with the Russians to throw an election?

    Regards,

    Steve

    I will answer for Ron : FAKENEWS



  18. Steven Huffstutler
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    7/16/2017 9:07 AM



  19. Ronald Kirkman
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    7/16/2017 9:07 PM
    Larry Allan"]
    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS"]Possibly one of the most disjointed arguments/ statements I have heard in awhile. I'm curious Ron, even though it's off topic, about how you would feel if the Clinton family was found to be plotting with the Russians to throw an election?

    Regards,

    Hi Steve;

    It wouldn't bother me because it is done all of the time. And, the U.S. is the worst offender. Remember Mr. Obama tried to interfere with Israel's election and took our taxpayers dollars to do this!

    Seems I read some where that Mrs. Clinton and Ukraine were in cahoots against Trump.

    Capt. Kirk



  20. Frank McQuiggan
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    7/17/2017 6:07 AM
    Both parties had dealings with foreign countries before the election and I'm sure that some countries wanted one over the other candidate to become President. Fact is the American people voted for who they wanted not the Russians, the Ukrainians or any other non-citizen. Yes maybe she had more of the popular vote but President Trump got more of the votes that mattered, the smaller states. Yes maybe he didn't get all of the smaller states but enough of them and the right states to win the Electoral College which is what counts in our system. Now each state runs there own voting system this is why it takes so long to actual determine the winner, states need to check there totals before hand From what I've seen and heard they are not even online systems in most states. So how in the hell can anyone say that the elections were hacked by the Russians. Does anyone actual thing that the Russians have that much influence over John Q Public as to be able to sway him to vote one way or the other. Oh and lets not forget the DNC worked against Bernie Sanders to make sure that Hillary got the nomination. They hacked and colluded against their own person.

    Now as far as health care goes it ain't never going to get fixed over here people don't want the system put in place that the European countries use. The government over there tells the hospitals and doctors what they can charge, they tell the insurance companies what they will pay the doctors and hospitals. Which happens to be the same p[rice on both sides. Hospital, doctor you did this you can charge $150....Insurance company pay the bill. People have insurance because the government tells employees that a certain portion of their taxes will cover the insurance. Like I said before I paid 14.1% for insurance out of the 23% coming out of my paycheck. Left 8.9% for the government to have. They used that to fund those who were really physically unable to work. End of problem. But like I said no one wants the government to have that much say in what goes on so it won't ever get fixed. I agree that BOTH parties need to stop the bull and just get down to business and do what we elected them to do and that is take care of the people but they are only concerned about themselves, time for new people up there. Under the European system Steve, doesn't matter about preexisting conditions or not since everyone is paying in everyone is covered no matter what. My daughter was 100% handicapped when I got the insurance and she was covered for everything she needed no questions asked. Its just a matter of shopping the major insurers to see who was the best, I did not have to take the one my employer had a deal with to lower cost, I choose what was good for my family, cost a few cents more but well worth it.



  21. Ronald Conard
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    7/17/2017 11:07 AM
    Frank McQuiggan said: Both parties had dealings with foreign countries before the election and I'm sure that some countries wanted one over the other candidate to become President. Fact is the American people voted for who they wanted not the Russians, the Ukrainians or any other non-citizen. Yes maybe she had more of the popular vote but President Trump got more of the votes that mattered, the smaller states. Yes maybe he didn't get all of the smaller states but enough of them and the right states to win the Electoral College which is what counts in our system. Now each state runs there own voting system this is why it takes so long to actual determine the winner, states need to check there totals before hand From what I've seen and heard they are not even online systems in most states. So how in the hell can anyone say that the elections were hacked by the Russians. Does anyone actual thing that the Russians have that much influence over John Q Public as to be able to sway him to vote one way or the other. Oh and lets not forget the DNC worked against Bernie Sanders to make sure that Hillary got the nomination. They hacked and colluded against their own person.



    It's called influence. Influencing an election by releasing misinformation. The Russian spy services are the masters at it. Are you saying we shouldn't look into if there was collusion involved? Just hand over our institutions to the Russians? If officials from either party are ultimately found to be involved in one way or another then they all need to be charged. I would suggest charged with treason and bear the full brunt of the law. But rationalizing the issue away because one's guy won is giving up. As a nation we're better than that, or so we should be. I just shake my head at the rationalization and the lack of logic going on in this country. Before we know it we will have full blown oligarchy setup in this country and once that happens we're entirely powerless to change it.



  22. Stephen Ravenkamp
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    7/18/2017 8:07 AM
    I see so much rationalization nowadays. Constant comments such as "well so-and-so did it so why do we make a big deal" or, as Trump said about Junior's meeting "any politician would have done the same thing." When did morals and ethics become transactional? If something is wrong or illegal, it is wrong or illegal regardless of who does it. It shouldn't be excused just because the person who did it is "on my side." Politics has become a zero-sum game where there is no exchange of ideas and compromise for the good of the public; instead, it has become a system where the ends justify the means. As one politician said, "compromise is when I get my way."



  23. Keith Lamb
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    7/18/2017 12:07 PM
    If you get your gear and go to the lake to go fishing and didn't catch any fish....you still went fishing.



  24. Stephen Okula
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    7/19/2017 3:07 AM
    Donald Trump shines and stinks like a dead fish under a full moon.



  25. Sean Hoolehan
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    7/19/2017 9:07 AM
    Just some random thoughts about health care in America.

    Medicare is single payer and we all are headed there. Don''t confuse your supplemental insurance as health insurance it's not, it is supplemental and the government is paying the big bucks.

    The US government has 3 other forms of single payer, Medicaid, VA, and Indian Health Services (IHS). All 4 government single payer systems pay on average 40% of what a private PPO Insurance plan pays. (the VA and IHS have their own directly employed Doctors but when they go outside their own network they pay about 40% of what private plans pay).

    The health care industry shifts the difference of paid claims (60% less for medicare, medicaid patients) to the private insurance pools who's cost of services are decided by individual negotiation (as opposed to a government mandate as in the case of Medicare rates). The bigger your pool like Blue Cross Blue Shield (BCBS) the more negotiating power you have with with health care providers. This is why we have so few insurance companies offering health insurance. Also doctors and health care providers hate the paper work these plans generate. As part of the ACA insurance companies are limited to 20% administrative fees to premiums. Most self insured plans are about 7-10%.

    Businesses offering health care insurance to employees had been reducing benefits and increasing cost to to their employees as a consequence of the above long before the ACA. One of the primary failures of the ACA was its using premiums as a measuring stick for quality of benefits. Premiums reflect the pool of the insured. Simply put; a pool of largely blue collar workers is generally going to be sicker than a white collar pool when you consider education, job demands, work environment, and income. The bigger your pool the better chance you have of spreading the risk.

    So following what I have explained above I no longer believe there is any turning back. Single payer is probably the only fit left and it does have the potential to provide health care in America much more efficiently. There is no question it would be disruptive and have consequences on certain individuals. No fix wont! With a single payer system the government would only have to have 1 system since everyone is now covered. This would eliminate duplication. Since the health care providers would no longer have private insurance to shift costs to they would be forced to streamline health care more efficiently. If people were relieved of onerous co-pays, deductibles and out of pocket fees they may actually go to the doctor prior to having to. Business in America would be out of their employees health care which most would applaud. Yes their would have to be a pay roll tax to cover this but almost everyone agrees that even health insurance wont work unless everyone is paying in to it.



  26. Eric Johnson
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    7/19/2017 10:07 AM
    Sean Hoolehan, CGCS said: Just some random thoughts about health care in America.

    Medicare is single payer and we all are headed there. Don''t confuse your supplemental insurance as health insurance it's not, it is supplemental and the government is paying the big bucks.

    The US government has 3 other forms of single payer, Medicaid, VA, and Indian Health Services (IHS). All 4 government single payer systems pay on average 40% of what a private PPO Insurance plan pays. (the VA and IHS have their own directly employed Doctors but when they go outside their own network they pay about 40% of what private plans pay).

    The health care industry shifts the difference of paid claims (40% less for medicare, medicaid patients) to the private insurance pools who's cost of services are decided by individual negotiation (as opposed to a government mandate as in the case of Medicare rates). The bigger your pool like Blue Cross Blue Shield (BCBS) the more negotiating power you have with with health care providers. This is why we have so few insurance companies offering health insurance. Also doctors and health care providers hate the paper work these plans generate. As part of the ACA insurance companies are limited to 20% administrative fees to premiums. Most self insured plans are about 7-10%.

    Businesses offering health care insurance to employees had been reducing benefits and increasing cost to to their employees as a consequence of the above long before the ACA. One of the primary failures of the ACA was its using premiums as a measuring stick for quality of benefits. Premiums reflect the pool of the insured. Simply put; a pool of largely blue collar workers is generally going to be sicker than a white collar pool when you consider education, job demands, work environment, and income. The bigger your pool the better chance you have of spreading the risk.

    So following what I have explained above I no longer believe there is any turning back. Single payer is probably the only fit left and it does have the potential to provide health care in America much more efficiently. There is no question it would be disruptive and have consequences on certain individuals. No fix wont! With a single payer system the government would only have to have 1 system since everyone is now covered. This would eliminate duplication. Since the health care providers would no longer have private insurance to shift costs to they would be forced to streamline health care more efficiently. If people were relieved of onerous co-pays, deductibles and out of pocket fees they may actually go to the doctor prior to having to. Business in America would be out of their employees health care which most would applaud. Yes their would have to be a pay roll tax to cover this but almost everyone agrees that even health insurance wont work unless everyone is paying in to it.


    Sean,
    Where is the "like" button?



  27. Keith Lamb
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    7/19/2017 10:07 AM
    Sean Hoolehan, CGCS said: Just some random thoughts about health care in America.

    Medicare is single payer and we all are headed there. Don''t confuse your supplemental insurance as health insurance it's not, it is supplemental and the government is paying the big bucks.

    The US government has 3 other forms of single payer, Medicaid, VA, and Indian Health Services (IHS). All 4 government single payer systems pay on average 40% of what a private PPO Insurance plan pays. (the VA and IHS have their own directly employed Doctors but when they go outside their own network they pay about 40% of what private plans pay).

    The health care industry shifts the difference of paid claims (60% less for medicare, medicaid patients) to the private insurance pools who's cost of services are decided by individual negotiation (as opposed to a government mandate as in the case of Medicare rates). The bigger your pool like Blue Cross Blue Shield (BCBS) the more negotiating power you have with with health care providers. This is why we have so few insurance companies offering health insurance. Also doctors and health care providers hate the paper work these plans generate. As part of the ACA insurance companies are limited to 20% administrative fees to premiums. Most self insured plans are about 7-10%.

    Businesses offering health care insurance to employees had been reducing benefits and increasing cost to to their employees as a consequence of the above long before the ACA. One of the primary failures of the ACA was its using premiums as a measuring stick for quality of benefits. Premiums reflect the pool of the insured. Simply put; a pool of largely blue collar workers is generally going to be sicker than a white collar pool when you consider education, job demands, work environment, and income. The bigger your pool the better chance you have of spreading the risk.

    So following what I have explained above I no longer believe there is any turning back. Single payer is probably the only fit left and it does have the potential to provide health care in America much more efficiently. There is no question it would be disruptive and have consequences on certain individuals. No fix wont! With a single payer system the government would only have to have 1 system since everyone is now covered. This would eliminate duplication. Since the health care providers would no longer have private insurance to shift costs to they would be forced to streamline health care more efficiently. If people were relieved of onerous co-pays, deductibles and out of pocket fees they may actually go to the doctor prior to having to. Business in America would be out of their employees health care which most would applaud. Yes their would have to be a pay roll tax to cover this but almost everyone agrees that even health insurance wont work unless everyone is paying in to it.


    Fake news. Let it fail. It will be tremendous. Not our fault.



  28. Steven Huffstutler
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  29. Steven Kurta
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    7/25/2017 5:07 AM
    80! Good for you, Capt.
    What's your secret.



  30. Ronald Kirkman
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    8/1/2017 3:08 PM
    Steven Kurta said: 80! Good for you, Capt.
    What's your secret.


    Thank you Steve. It will be in 2018 that I turn 80.

    I used to spray greens with Cala Clor, Tersan, Lead arsenate, Mercury's and what ever else we used back in the day. I used a proportioner - sprayed in my bare feet with shorts and a golf shirt on. When it was a little windy we got a shower from spraying. We opened the bags of lead arsenate and dumped them in the spreader and applied to fairways.It took me years to figure out how I got blisters on my feet and my hands and arms.

    Capt. Kirk
    Retired Alien
    Needham Golf Club

    Needham, MA



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