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  1. Steven Kurta
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    2 posts
    5/10/2012 4:05 AM
    I wonder what internet law covers conversations degenerating into menstruation jokes.
    If there is none, I give my internet vote to calling it being "Crocketted"

    I'm down 19 pounds since last December, DMC, cycling and running like a foo as well! Working toward my first sprint triathlon this fall. No kidding.
    And to answer the timeless question WHAT IS BEST IN LIFE? Cycling is best in life - ask Conard. (looking at a 2 year old Fuji our pro is selling today actually).

    Who was the guy on here that got fussy with Jwall and then said that he had the looks of a 19 year old? - or something just as weird. Anyhow, I'm all beasty like that now. I've got muscles and crap. I'm like a shorter, more sleek version of Wallace but with the cunning mental acuity and abject bitterness towards all humans of a Huffstutler. It's amazing what a little kettlebell circuit everyday can do over 5 months.

    That's me on the right, with a ph.
    [youtube">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iJNa6sKBvY[/youtube">

    HOWS MAI DERAIL GOIN?



  2. Dennis Cook
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    1 posts
    5/10/2012 5:05 AM
    Yea Larry, the left is the one who wanted to change marriage. Marriage has historically been between a man and a woman, but that wasn't good enough for them, they want anything to be acceptable. Instead of just asking originally for civil unions, they throw it right in everyones face and want it to be called marriage. Marriage was derived through religion and was eventually accepted by the state, but after hundreds of years of a sacred religious sentiment, they want it changed so there beliefs are morally acceptable.

    The rights biggest argument about "reproductive rights" has been that the law was created by the supreme court for abortion. A strict constitutionalist will always fight against laws being created in the courts. The need to be created by the legislature, voted on and passed, or done through a vote of the people. We currently dont run around saying woman cannot have birth control like you guys claim we do. And we dont have this war on woman.

    But talk about limiting our freedoms, the left wants gun control, wants control of what we drive, how we make energy, wants to control OUR money, wants to shut up talk shows with the fairness doctrine, wants to eliminate corporations from having a say in the country they do business in, wants unions to be able to control a business that they do not own, etc etc.

    You keep barking about how the right wants to limit our freedoms and I will keep telling you how the left already is



  3. McCallum David K
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    5/10/2012 6:05 AM
    Congrats on the weight loss and good luck on the sprint triathlon. I ran many marathons way back when and one trialthon........the swimming for me was the b*t@h..........My morning and evening rituals are merely an attempt to allow for a few more sunrises and sunsets to be enjoyed. I expend my frustrations over Scott's many daily rants but shooting pistols at the range a couple of days a week a cold brewski or two.........not in the quanity I formerly did. A slimmer sleeker version of Jeffy huh...........wow all you need to Putnam's Pacifca and you'd be hard to stop as a chick magnet. Run fast my friend!



  4. McCallum David K
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    5/10/2012 6:05 AM
    As a continuing footnote to Rep McGoverns propose admendment ..........please read slowly Scott and this is coming from a law professor at George Mason School of Law not I...................not only would his admendment strip the various groups in the above mentioned posts of constitutional rights of free speech but it would empower the government ( you know those guys here to help you)......it could also REGULATE religious practices at churches, conduct whatever searches it wants, reasonable or not (the Fourth Admendment infringement), of corporate entities and seize corporate owned property for whatever it deems to be in the public need.......without paying compensation.

    Now assuming only a portion of this is true or would come to fruiton.........give me a reason, a valid reason, why this change to the most important Admendment in our Constitutiion is needed. Do not post a video, do not post 14 links to various bullcrap...........I want all that knowledge that is pent up in Scotts head to tell me WHY? I don't think you can give a reason as to why it is needed.......event the numnuts that is proposing it along with the botox queen from San Francisco who agrees with him.



  5. Wahlin Scott B
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    5/10/2012 8:05 AM
    Do you suppose the founding fathers were thinking about corporations when they wrote the first amendment? Corporations only exist because the government defined them and allowed them to exist. Certain laws and benefits apply to corporations that do not apply to indivdual, living, breathing people. Corporations are not people.



  6. Wahlin Scott B
    Wahlin Scott B avatar
    5/10/2012 8:05 AM
    Take away the limited liability of the members of a corporation if you are determined to give the corporation all of the human rights of a living breathing person. If the corporation goes under make the members responsible for the entire debt and not just their investment in the corporation. If the corporation is found liable in the death or injury of someone or an environmental disaster, put the members in jail. The McCain-Feingold Act was completely bipartisan and to argue about it now on a liberal/conservative front is completely fabricated by right wing nutjobs.



  7. McCallum David K
    McCallum David K avatar
    5/10/2012 12:05 PM
    Thanks, at least I got your opinion and not another link or video to watch or ..............not. I personally still do not see the need for the admendment and hopefully it will end up being a waste of our time on the forum discussing it as well as that of Congress and We the People.



  8. Wallace Jeffrey V
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    5/10/2012 1:05 PM
    David McCallum said: A slimmer sleeker version of Jeffy huh...........wow all you need to Putnam's Pacifica and you'd be hard to stop as a chick magnet. Run fast my friend!


    Say WHAT? Kurta wishes he could look like "Jeffy" right now. Yeah, run fast my friend. Who got the chick to look at the picture on the wall at the Dinosaur? Oh yeah....she was smokin' like the brisket. And she had no idea I had Clay's Pacifica parked outside. But that's another story.......



  9. Dennis Cook
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    1 posts
    5/10/2012 2:05 PM
    So corporations are not people? Who runs them, who invests in them, who owns them? The answer is PEOPLE. Why cant the people speak for the sake of their business? This is America right? I didnt think we went communist, yet!



  10. Robert Crockett
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    4 posts
    5/10/2012 4:05 PM
    Steven Kurta said: I wonder what internet law covers conversations degenerating into menstruation jokes.
    If there is none, I give my internet vote to calling it being "Crocketted"

    I'm down 19 pounds since last December, DMC, cycling and running like a foo as well! Working toward my first sprint triathlon this fall. No kidding.
    And to answer the timeless question WHAT IS BEST IN LIFE? Cycling is best in life - ask Conard. (looking at a 2 year old Fuji our pro is selling today actually).

    Who was the guy on here that got fussy with Jwall and then said that he had the looks of a 19 year old? - or something just as weird. Anyhow, I'm all beasty like that now. I've got muscles and crap. I'm like a shorter, more sleek version of Wallace but with the cunning mental acuity and abject bitterness towards all humans of a Huffstutler. It's amazing what a little kettlebell circuit everyday can do over 5 months.

    That's me on the right, with a ph.
    [youtube">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iJNa6sKBvY[/youtube">

    HOWS MAI DERAIL GOIN?

    You Are Man....Thats awesome....Those Man Makers Whew!!!!!! Good Luck...Got My Respect Sir...I Love the stuff myself...I Do the horizontal Flies w/ the 40lbs in the Iron Cross position....Can't get enough :)



  11. Steven Kurta
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    2 posts
    5/10/2012 6:05 PM
    Man-Makers might be the gayest name for an exercise circuit that I've ever heard, but they're no joke.
    Total full-body annihilation. HEY SOMETHING WE AGREE ON!

    NOT me on the right.



  12. Dennis Cook
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    1 posts
    5/11/2012 5:05 AM
    ‘‘SECTION 2. The words people, person, or citizen as used in this Constitution do not include corporations, limited liability companies or other corporate entities established by the laws of any State, the United States, or any foreign state, and such corporate entities are subject to such regulation as the people, through their elected State and Federal representatives, deem reasonable and are otherwise consistent with the powers of Congress and the States under this Constitution.

    Here is section two of this peoples right amendment. Notice it says after corporations are not people, that they are subject to regulation as the people. This is rediculous. There not people but we are going to regulate them as people, but not allow them to express their rights and contribute to the political side that best supports their interests. But dammit, were gonna regulate em as people, but there not



  13. Wahlin Scott B
    Wahlin Scott B avatar
    5/11/2012 6:05 AM
    "as the people deem reasonable"



  14. Dennis Cook
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    1 posts
    5/11/2012 6:05 AM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: "as the people deem reasonable"


    Yeah Scott, thats a bunch of baloney. Through their elected officials, only means that when congress is run by democrats, then those elected officials are gonna regulate them as they want. There is no say by the people, except during the next election cycle. True by the people means the people vote on amendments, a representative in congress votes the way he/she wants with no regard. Every mom and pop LLC out there would have their speech stifled by a democrat and you know it. I thought the democrats were the tolerant ones with all the compassion? Except when you speak against them, or you speak about religion, or you want to get your political message out there. Then freedom of speech doesnt matter. What a bunch of hypocrites



  15. Keith Lamb
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    3 posts
    5/11/2012 7:05 AM
    Dennis, aka Little Timmy Daniels, with a bit less of the overtly religious ranting

    http://www.minddisorders.com/Ob-Ps/Paranoia.html#b



  16. Dennis Cook
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    1 posts
    5/11/2012 10:05 AM
    Keith Lamb said: Dennis, aka Little Timmy Daniels, with a bit less of the overtly religious ranting

    http://www.minddisorders.com/Ob-Ps/Paranoia.html#b


    Funny Keith, except you know im right. The left tries to control every single thing we do, especially if it goes against their beliefs. "Oh the right has all these these radio talk shows, what should we do about it? REGULATE IT!"



  17. Wallace Jeffrey V
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    5/11/2012 12:05 PM
    Keith Lamb said: Dennis, aka Little Timmy Daniels, with a bit less of the overtly religious ranting

    http://www.minddisorders.com/Ob-Ps/Paranoia.html#b


    Hey Keith,

    I think Dennis needs an avatar. How about the photo in your link? I think it's perfect.

    Dennis,

    I say go for it. It will be stab in the eye for all those stupid, idiotic Democrats out there, like McCallum and Bowman. Did you know that Lamb is a Muslim? You know, those guys that wear orange robes and shave their heads? I'm covering your six, buddy.



  18. Larry Allan
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    5/11/2012 1:05 PM
    Dennis Cook said:
    Keith Lamb said: Dennis, aka Little Timmy Daniels, with a bit less of the overtly religious ranting

    http://www.minddisorders.com/Ob-Ps/Paranoia.html#b


    Funny Keith, except you know im right. The left tries to control every single thing we do, especially if it goes against their beliefs. "Oh the right has all these these radio talk shows, what should we do about it? REGULATE IT!"


    The next time the GCSAA develops a new Forum there needs to be four buttons at the bottom of the dialogue box
    Save....Preview....Think...Submit



  19. Dennis Cook
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    1 posts
    5/11/2012 2:05 PM
    Jeffrey Wallace, CGCS said:
    Keith Lamb said: Dennis, aka Little Timmy Daniels, with a bit less of the overtly religious ranting

    http://www.minddisorders.com/Ob-Ps/Paranoia.html#b


    Hey Keith,

    I think Dennis needs an avatar. How about the photo in your link? I think it's perfect.

    Dennis,

    I say go for it. It will be stab in the eye for all those stupid, idiotic Democrats out there, like McCallum and Bowman. Did you know that Lamb is a Muslim? You know, those guys that wear orange robes and shave their heads? I'm covering your six, buddy.


    That would be a comical avatar. I thought the guys that wore the orange robes were Hare Krishna? Well there are probably a few muslims wearing orange in club gitmo :lol:

    Keith, hows the weather at Gitmo?



  20. Keith Lamb
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    3 posts
    5/11/2012 2:05 PM
    Dennis Cook said:
    Jeffrey Wallace, CGCS said:
    Keith Lamb said: Dennis, aka Little Timmy Daniels, with a bit less of the overtly religious ranting

    http://www.minddisorders.com/Ob-Ps/Paranoia.html#b


    Hey Keith,

    I think Dennis needs an avatar. How about the photo in your link? I think it's perfect.

    Dennis,

    I say go for it. It will be stab in the eye for all those stupid, idiotic Democrats out there, like McCallum and Bowman. Did you know that Lamb is a Muslim? You know, those guys that wear orange robes and shave their heads? I'm covering your six, buddy.


    That would be a comical avatar. I thought the guys that wore the orange robes were Hare Krishna? Well there are probably a few muslims wearing orange in club gitmo :lol:

    Keith, hows the weather at Gitmo?


    Internet access and all the Ensure I can drink...who's to complain?

    http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/78367.html



  21. Dennis Cook
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    1 posts
    5/11/2012 3:05 PM
    Keith Lamb said:
    Dennis Cook said:
    Jeffrey Wallace, CGCS said:
    Keith Lamb said: Dennis, aka Little Timmy Daniels, with a bit less of the overtly religious ranting

    http://www.minddisorders.com/Ob-Ps/Paranoia.html#b


    Hey Keith,

    I think Dennis needs an avatar. How about the photo in your link? I think it's perfect.

    Dennis,

    I say go for it. It will be stab in the eye for all those stupid, idiotic Democrats out there, like McCallum and Bowman. Did you know that Lamb is a Muslim? You know, those guys that wear orange robes and shave their heads? I'm covering your six, buddy.


    That would be a comical avatar. I thought the guys that wore the orange robes were Hare Krishna? Well there are probably a few muslims wearing orange in club gitmo :lol:

    Keith, hows the weather at Gitmo?


    Internet access and all the Ensure I can drink...who's to complain?

    http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/78367.html


    Nice and warm, a little sunshine, and ensure, life is good! Rain over the next couple days though, so your flat screen will get lots of use. Damn torture sucks.



  22. Steven Kurta
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    2 posts
    5/11/2012 3:05 PM
    Dennis Cook said:
    The left tries to control every single thing we do, especially if it goes against their beliefs. "Oh the right has all these these radio talk shows, what should we do about it? REGULATE IT!"


    Even in the most communistic, backwards of countries, it's our inalienable right is to believe what we like. What a boring world it would be if we all thought the same crap. So, more power to you, Dennis
    The flaw in all of these musings is that if either way were workable or "correct" even 60% of the time, it would remain that way without a switch in ideologies every 4-8 years. But it doesn't stay that way because we're simply not cut out to hold it together for that long. Certain types of people lie cheat and steal and generally look for the easiest way to make a buck. They just do. And when they do, they ruin it for everyone else who was trying to do it right. Whether you're a welfare baby mama that's playing the system, or a CEO that engages in insider trading, it's all the same game -- get it while the getting is good. I think it's hardwired into some people.

    The systems are flawed because eventually some jerk finds a loophole in the ideology and exploits it for themselves, which gives the opposing ideology reason to point and yell FOUL, CORRUPTION, TRYING TO RUIN THE COUNTRY! The jerk is neither poor or wealthy or from great lineage or born and raised in the gutter. A greedy jerk is a greedy jerk. I think it's something people are born with the capacity for.

    I think our political differences have been going on pretty much since the dawn of man, one way or another -- group vs. individual rule, haves/have-nots. Not much new. not really. Same types of arguments and solutions.
    Unless you're an Old Testament believer. In that case, you have a lot of figuring about other stuff to do than silly politics. We always meet in the middle and everyone gets a little of what they want and a little of what they don't. Is good.



  23. Keith Lamb
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    3 posts
    5/11/2012 4:05 PM
    Steven Kurta said:
    Dennis Cook said:
    The left tries to control every single thing we do, especially if it goes against their beliefs. "Oh the right has all these these radio talk shows, what should we do about it? REGULATE IT!"


    Even in the most communistic, backwards of countries, it's our inalienable right is to believe what we like. What a boring world it would be if we all thought the same crap. So, more power to you, Dennis
    The flaw in all of these musings is that if either way were workable or "correct" even 60% of the time, it would remain that way without a switch in ideologies every 4-8 years. But it doesn't stay that way because we're simply not cut out to hold it together for that long. Certain types of people lie cheat and steal and generally look for the easiest way to make a buck. They just do. And when they do, they ruin it for everyone else who was trying to do it right. Whether you're a welfare baby mama that's playing the system, or a CEO that engages in insider trading, it's all the same game -- get it while the getting is good. I think it's hardwired into some people.

    The systems are flawed because eventually some jerk finds a loophole in the ideology and exploits it for themselves, which gives the opposing ideology reason to point and yell FOUL, CORRUPTION, TRYING TO RUIN THE COUNTRY! The jerk is neither poor or wealthy or from great lineage or born and raised in the gutter. A greedy jerk is a greedy jerk. I think it's something people are born with the capacity for.

    I think our political differences have been going on pretty much since the dawn of man, one way or another -- group vs. individual rule, haves/have-nots. Not much new. not really. Same types of arguments and solutions.
    Unless you're an Old Testament believer. In that case, you have a lot of figuring about other stuff to do than silly politics. We always meet in the middle and everyone gets a little of what they want and a little of what they don't. Is good.


    That made WAY too much sense!

    [size=85">Can I use that at my trial?[/size">



  24. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    5/11/2012 5:05 PM
    Steven Kurta said:
    Dennis Cook said:
    The left tries to control every single thing we do, especially if it goes against their beliefs. "Oh the right has all these these radio talk shows, what should we do about it? REGULATE IT!"


    Even in the most communistic, backwards of countries, it's our inalienable right is to believe what we like. What a boring world it would be if we all thought the same crap. So, more power to you, Dennis
    The flaw in all of these musings is that if either way were workable or "correct" even 60% of the time, it would remain that way without a switch in ideologies every 4-8 years. But it doesn't stay that way because we're simply not cut out to hold it together for that long. Certain types of people lie cheat and steal and generally look for the easiest way to make a buck. They just do. And when they do, they ruin it for everyone else who was trying to do it right. Whether you're a welfare baby mama that's playing the system, or a CEO that engages in insider trading, it's all the same game -- get it while the getting is good. I think it's hardwired into some people.

    The systems are flawed because eventually some jerk finds a loophole in the ideology and exploits it for themselves, which gives the opposing ideology reason to point and yell FOUL, CORRUPTION, TRYING TO RUIN THE COUNTRY! The jerk is neither poor or wealthy or from great lineage or born and raised in the gutter. A greedy jerk is a greedy jerk. I think it's something people are born with the capacity for.

    I think our political differences have been going on pretty much since the dawn of man, one way or another -- group vs. individual rule, haves/have-nots. Not much new. not really. Same types of arguments and solutions.
    Unless you're an Old Testament believer. In that case, you have a lot of figuring about other stuff to do than silly politics. We always meet in the middle and everyone gets a little of what they want and a little of what they don't. Is good.


    Nice post Steve, the only issue with it is (and it's not issue with you) but when you state we all meet in the middle, that is just not happening now and thus the problems.

    Like your Old testament shout out, I thought I saw some politicians on TV arguing about something and the lady was saying that something is in the bible and did the other man believe it, and he is just saying that's the old testament.....So for those that use it, you don't use the whole thing? Just pick out what you want? Just wondering.

    Dennis, sometimes you make some good points with good logic and something that could be debated and discussed, but then sometimes like the quote above, it's like you don't acknowledge the other side might have some good points as well. I would suggest to open the mind and listen to the other side. Just my opinion.
    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  25. Peter Bowman
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    5/11/2012 8:05 PM
    Jeffrey Wallace, CGCS said:



    Dennis,

    I say go for it. It will be stab in the eye for all those stupid, idiotic Democrats out there, like McCallum and Bowman.


    Hey Mister,

    Stupid??? Fine.
    Idiotic??? I can deal with that.
    But, Democrat??? Now that hurts!

    You might want to leave the country for a few days.



  26. Dennis Cook
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    1 posts
    5/12/2012 7:05 AM
    Steven Kurta said:
    Dennis Cook said:
    The left tries to control every single thing we do, especially if it goes against their beliefs. "Oh the right has all these these radio talk shows, what should we do about it? REGULATE IT!"


    Even in the most communistic, backwards of countries, it's our inalienable right is to believe what we like. What a boring world it would be if we all thought the same crap. So, more power to you, Dennis
    The flaw in all of these musings is that if either way were workable or "correct" even 60% of the time, it would remain that way without a switch in ideologies every 4-8 years. But it doesn't stay that way because we're simply not cut out to hold it together for that long. Certain types of people lie cheat and steal and generally look for the easiest way to make a buck. They just do. And when they do, they ruin it for everyone else who was trying to do it right. Whether you're a welfare baby mama that's playing the system, or a CEO that engages in insider trading, it's all the same game -- get it while the getting is good. I think it's hardwired into some people.

    The systems are flawed because eventually some jerk finds a loophole in the ideology and exploits it for themselves, which gives the opposing ideology reason to point and yell FOUL, CORRUPTION, TRYING TO RUIN THE COUNTRY! The jerk is neither poor or wealthy or from great lineage or born and raised in the gutter. A greedy jerk is a greedy jerk. I think it's something people are born with the capacity for.

    I think our political differences have been going on pretty much since the dawn of man, one way or another -- group vs. individual rule, haves/have-nots. Not much new. not really. Same types of arguments and solutions.
    Unless you're an Old Testament believer. In that case, you have a lot of figuring about other stuff to do than silly politics. We always meet in the middle and everyone gets a little of what they want and a little of what they don't. Is good.


    Very good post Steve! i dont always agree that meeting in the middle is a good thing, if we would have done that through history, the world would be a lot different. Imagine if we met in the middle with Japan when they were attacking everything they could, or Hitler, or the British Govt? If we met in the middle with the British govt, the US would not be and we would still be a territory of theirs. Sometimes you have to fight for what you believe in and not compromise on your values. When you do compromise on your values, then your values are meaningless. Most of the politicians that meet in the middle, dont want to upset the applecart, and usually are republicans who should be democrats. My values are conservative, my morals are generally traditional, and predominately what this country was founded on and i'm not willing to give those up and will always fight for them and against those who are trying to take this country in another direction.



  27. Keith Lamb
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    5/12/2012 8:05 AM
    Whew!! You had me worried Dennis. Here all this time, stupid me thought this country was founded on freedom. Now I know it was founded on Not Compromising!! Watch out guys...it's the new me!! I now refuse to compromise my sexuality....like it or not I'm heterosexual and proud!! I refuse to compromise my religious views!! Theists can go suck it!!! I refuse to compromise my personal moral compass!! If you think I did something wrong, well too bad. Wow!! what a relief! I feel so much better now. Thanks Dennis.



  28. Dennis Cook
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    1 posts
    5/12/2012 9:05 AM
    Keith, this country was found on freedom and the colonist wanted freedom from the Brits and their rediculous taxation and they didnt compromise on it. They fought for it. Why would you compromise on your sexuality, you are heterosexual and if thats what you are, you shouldn't compromise on it. imagine if someone told you that you had to be gay, would you compromise? or would you meet in the middle and become bisexual? Harsh question, but answer it. Your trying to take my post way out of context so i'll call your bluff. Answer the question, would you compromise?



  29. Steven Kurta
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    5/12/2012 9:05 AM
    Where can I get those glasses you wear Dennis? The ones that show you the world in black and white.
    And are they expensive?



  30. Melvin Waldron
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    5/12/2012 11:05 AM
    Dennis Cook said:

    Very good post Steve! i dont always agree that meeting in the middle is a good thing, if we would have done that through history, the world would be a lot different. Imagine if we met in the middle with Japan when they were attacking everything they could, or Hitler, or the British Govt? If we met in the middle with the British govt, the US would not be and we would still be a territory of theirs. Sometimes you have to fight for what you believe in and not compromise on your values. When you do compromise on your values, then your values are meaningless. Most of the politicians that meet in the middle, dont want to upset the applecart, and usually are republicans who should be democrats. My values are conservative, my morals are generally traditional, and predominately what this country was founded on and i'm not willing to give those up and will always fight for them and against those who are trying to take this country in another direction.


    Dennis you are talking about some big events that we would consider changed the course of history....who knows what would have happened, how would things be different? Not to say we can't learn from them either. I can agree with your statement about fighting about what you believe in. But going back to the Revolutionary war it was mostly about getting taxed and having no representation, if the King would have agreed to representation maybe that war doesn't happen, I do think eventually like all British colonies we would have found independence.

    But you talk about this country being founded on conservatism, I read a good opinion yesterday, when looking at the definition of conservatism, it means to stay as is, status quo, no change, if our founding fathers were so conservative, we would still have an European style of government, so the author said. His point is the founding fathers were more liberal then people want to believe.

    But that is all big issue stuff.......I believe the problem is even the dang little things that both sides know need to be done but they can't find a compromise to getting it done....that is the problem. Look at the student loan deal, both sides agree it needs fixed but they can't agree with how to pay for it, the republicans want to pay for it with cuts from social programs, the democrats want to tax the highest wage earners. Quite honestly I don't like either option. How about instead of letting the interest rate double, maybe add a half or whole percentage point? What would that cost the individual student and what does it cost the country? If that get you close, then find a program to downsize and/or take away a tax credit for something.

    My deal with what you are saying then, is half the people of this country are correct about something and the other half aren't (depending on the subject and the polls) so there is no compromising? That isn't going to help us, we have been doing it for well over 200 years, (I wouldn't say for 235 years because there have been a few years we haven't been compromising).

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

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