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1. Kinney Brian

   
   7/7/2011 7:07 AM

   I am sure this was bounced around the old site, but I am interested in everyone's staff size. Really all I am looking for is how many workers per acre on average, I think that is the most "average" way to go about this. Or, if anyone knows a site or publication. I cannot find anything on line.
   thank you in advance for your cooperation

   
   
   
   
2. Michael Vogt

   

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   7/7/2011 9:07 AM

   Brian:
   
   Staff size, in my opinion, should be determined after a set of maintenance standards are agreed upon by your owner(s), board, committee or membership. Once you have established what tasks need to be accomplished, how often the particular task needs to be preformed then you can arrive at an hourly amount that meets the needs to satisfy the standards that are expected. Once you arrive at total hours you can then estimate how many staff members you'll need. You should assign each task with a cycle time to discover how long each task takes. Some critical tasks need to be accomplished on a before time basis to further adjust crew size i.e. mow greens, change hole cups. Travel time is another variable that should be considered, some maintenance buildings are central some are on the outskirts of the property. It takes considerable time to formulate but once the process is complete it's hard to argue with the numbers. In addition, it puts the questions to the decision makers on what should be eliminated or modified in the set of standards before cuts labor or other expenses occur.
   
   By comparing per acre might seem like a good idea those numbers will be all over the place based on many factors such as:
   • Architecture (links, park style, flat, hilly)
   • Size of features (greens, tees, sand bunkers, fairways)
   • Equipment fleet size (number of fairway mowers, rough mowers, greens mowers)
   • Equipment type (hand greens mowers, large rough mowers)
   • First tee time (5:30 am as opposed to 7:00 am)
   • Hand mow greens
   • Hand rake sand bunkers
   • Level of conditioning (private exclusive club or muni in small town)
   • Geography (southern course or northern course)
   • Type of turf (cool season vs. warm season)
   And the list goes on.
   
   When we do an operational study we consider what the client needs (standards) and figure what size crew, based on hours should be.

   
   
   
   
3. Melvin Waldron

   

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   7/7/2011 10:07 AM

   Mike is correct about that, I used to have 20 staff members at my last job, but when I looked at man hours it equated to about 480 man hours per week with the many part timers I had. We had about 110 acres of course, 15 of athletic fields and maybe 20 of campus.
   
   Same here where I'm at. I have 9? Which include myself, 2 other full-timers, a mechanic that is shared among 3 courses, a PT mechanic who works 24 hours a week, a PT who works 24 hours a week, 3 seasonal that work up to 40 hours a week with one of them doing mostly landscape beds. We have about 90 acres maintained.
   
   Mel

   
   Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
   
   
4. Keith Pegg

   

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   7/9/2011 9:07 PM

   bkinney said: I am sure this was bounced around the old site, but I am interested in everyone's staff size. Really all I am looking for is how many workers per acre on average, I think that is the most "average" way to go about this. Or, if anyone knows a site or publication. I cannot find anything on line.
   thank you in advance for your cooperation

   
   
   I have 20 people and 90 Acres of grass and 40 acres of wooded areas on My course in Japan
   On other jobs:
   45 people with 80 acres turf and 30 wooded. 103 people 90+ areas turf and 100 acres of woods
   8 people with 80 areas turf and 60 acreas of woods.
   
   A few more that I forget now. It all about the level of maintenance the owners want.
   
   Keith Pegg
   Japan

   
   
   
   
5. Kinney Brian

   
   7/10/2011 8:07 AM

   thanks guys! just trying to get an average across the board. thanks again

   
   
   
   
6. Homme David R

   
   7/10/2011 9:07 AM

   If looking for an average, I would go with the 1 staff per hole. I'm running 18 holes with manpower equal to approximately 12 fulltime. It's not enough.
   
   Dave Homme
   Falls Resort

   
   
   
   
7. Jon Kindlesparger

   

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   7/11/2011 6:07 AM

   123 acres, 12 station RV Park, 18 hole mini golf, 4 tennis courts, 6 horse shoe pits, outdoor basketball court, and 18 hole golf course with driving range.
   
   Superintendent
   Assistant
   Equipment operator
   1.5 part time equipmetn operators
   
   That's it.

   
   
   
   
8. Kinney Brian

   
   7/11/2011 7:07 AM

   sprocket said: 123 acres, 12 station RV Park, 18 hole mini golf, 4 tennis courts, 6 horse shoe pits, outdoor basketball court, and 18 hole golf course with driving range.
   
   Superintendent
   Assistant
   Equipment operator
   1.5 part time equipmetn operators
   
   That's it.

   
   Holy moly, when do you find time to eat? wow that is a rough one kid.

   
   
   
   
9. Smith Tim

   
   7/11/2011 11:07 AM

   9 guys! Includes myself, 3 part timers, and 1 guy devoted to watering right now. Not nearly enough for an 18 hole private.

   
   
   
   
10. Keith Lamb

    

    3 posts
    
    7/11/2011 12:07 PM

    sprocket said: 123 acres, 12 station RV Park, 18 hole mini golf, 4 tennis courts, 6 horse shoe pits, outdoor basketball court, and 18 hole golf course with driving range.
    
    Superintendent
    Assistant
    Equipment operator
    1.5 part time equipmetn operators
    
    That's it.

    
    
    
    INSANE! That is no way to live. At least you made a whole lot of guys feel better about their situations.
    
    200 acres, 120 maintained.
    Supt.
    Assistant Supt.
    Equipment Manager
    Assistant Mechanic
    Spray Tech
    3 full time
    3 P/T

    
    
    
    
11. Justin Murray

    

    0 posts
    
    7/11/2011 2:07 PM

    90 acres maintained,
    5 full time
    1 seasonal(April-November)
    1 Equipment Tech
    1 Superintendent
    1 Asst Superintendent.
    
    In the annual report it had avg staff size around 20, I thought that was kinda of high for the average. If I had a staff of 20 we would run out of equipment to send them out on!

    
    
    
    
12. Andrew Cross

    

    5 posts
    
    7/11/2011 3:07 PM

    160 acres, 120 maintained
    Superintendent
    Asst. Super
    Mechanic
    12 full time (2 yr round)
    2 pt (20hrs/ week)

    
    
    
    
13. League Michael

    
    7/11/2011 9:07 PM

    135 Acres Maintained
    
    1 Super
    1 Mechanic
    3 Full Time
    3 Seasonal (4 months max)
    
    Although this summer I have 1 seasonal due to all sorts of problems, located in OK with bentgrass greens and temp has been 100+ for 12 straight days.

    
    
    
    
14. Timothy Walker

    

    0 posts
    
    7/11/2011 9:07 PM

    110 acres, 18 holes + Driving Range
    1 - Superintendent
    1 - P/T mechanic
    13 - P/T staff

    
    
    
    
15. Jon Kindlesparger

    

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    7/12/2011 9:07 AM

    sprocket said: 123 acres, 12 station RV Park, 18 hole mini golf, 4 tennis courts, 6 horse shoe pits, outdoor basketball court, and 18 hole golf course with driving range.
    
    Superintendent
    Assistant
    Equipment operator
    1.5 part time equipment operators
    
    That's it.

    
    
    
    I should add that my clubhouse staff takes care of most of the mini golf and horseshoe pits and that we use the parks department's mechanic. My assistant took is first day off since may, yesterday. I took a Saturday off the last part of June and my operator took Sunday morning off. Other than that, if the day of the week ends in 'y', we work it. And I'm up one part time person over last year!!

    
    
    
    
16. Chuck Barber

    

    0 posts
    
    7/26/2011 11:07 AM

    300 Acres (275 maintained)
    Director (me)
    2 managers
    1 mechanic
    23 associates
    2 full-time, 4 20 hrs/week
    27 holes
    driving range
    hotel grounds (10 acres, tons of flowers)
    13 acres/parking lot
    hotel atrium
    4 interior gardens

    
    
    
    
17. Rory Allison

    

    0 posts
    
    7/26/2011 1:07 PM

    275 acres maintained
    36 holes
    2 clubhouses and associated landscape
    12 month season (Hawaii)
    
    Me (Director of Operations)
    Superintendent
    Assistant
    2 mechanics
    2 irrigators
    2 spray techs
    12 operators
    That's 21 all together
    3 years ago I had 50 all together.
    
    
    Rory Allison
    Waikoloa Beach Resort

    
    
    
    
18. David Brandenburg

    

    3 posts
    
    7/27/2011 3:07 PM

    240 acres 27 hole daily fee
    Super,
    Assist,
    15 old guys and kids = to 7.5 FTE during season. The seniors cut back when the kids start and pick it up again in the fall when school starts. If you want a summer job, you work weekends in spring and fall.

    
    
    
    
19. Kinney Brian

    
    7/28/2011 9:07 AM

    wow, quite the acreage going on! thanks for all the feedback guys!

    
    
    
    
20. Steven Huffstutler

    

    11 posts
    
    7/31/2011 3:07 PM

    You can't go by acreage. I have small acreage, but I still have an 18 hole private golf course, 18 greens, 18 sets of tees, etc, etc. I have 16 guys on the course and a 4 man common grounds crew. I manage 52 acres of golf course with 45k rounds per year, 1500 members, all of the medians, the roads, the clubhouse, the right of ways, the entrances, the preserves, the tennis courts, the parking lots, the street lights and I provide everyone with irrigation water........it goes on and on. There's more to it than the number of acres.
    
    Regards,
    
    Steve

    
    
    
    
21. Thomas Caliguire

    

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    7/31/2011 4:07 PM

    huff said: You can't go by acreage. I have small acreage, but I still have an 18 hole private golf course, 18 greens, 18 sets of tees, etc, etc. I have 16 guys on the course and a 4 man common grounds crew. I manage 52 acres of golf course with 45k rounds per year, 1500 members, all of the medians, the roads, the clubhouse, the right of ways, the entrances, the preserves, the tennis courts, the parking lots, the street lights and I provide everyone with irrigation water........it goes on and on. There's more to it than the number of acres.
    
    Regards,
    
    Steve

    
    
    And Steve you do one hell of a job, with that staff for as much is you are responsible for.
    
    Tom Caliguire
    Naples, Florida

    
    
    
    
22. Steven Huffstutler

    

    11 posts
    
    7/31/2011 5:07 PM

    Thank you

    
    
    
    
23. Keith Lamb

    

    3 posts
    
    7/31/2011 8:07 PM

    Get a room.

    
    
    
    
24. Steven Huffstutler

    

    11 posts
    
    8/1/2011 3:08 PM

    He's not my type.

    
    
    
    
25. Keith Lamb

    

    3 posts
    
    8/1/2011 4:08 PM

    I'm guessing Tom still can't name all his crew members.
    
    Tom is a little too skinny for my taste too.

    
    
    
    
26. Andy Jorgensen

    

    1 posts
    
    8/1/2011 7:08 PM

    Keith is going to say:
    
    "How long did you think about that line Andy?"

    
    
    
    
27. Keith Lamb

    

    3 posts
    
    8/1/2011 8:08 PM

    How long did you think about that line Andy?

    
    
    
    
28. Steven Huffstutler

    

    11 posts
    
    8/1/2011 9:08 PM

    Tom doesn't need to remember everybody's name, he has staff for that.

    
    
    
    
29. Jacob Blair

    

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    10/16/2011 7:10 PM

    27 holes
    18 on the "big course" and a 9 hole par 3 course, Driving range, and an extra putting green, links style course in Richmond, KY.
    1 Supt.
    1 Ass supt.
    1 Hort guy full time
    5 seasonal guys of which 3 are only part time
    
    The course is Bentgrass tee to green and a Muni.
    My Supt. is great he somehow gets everything done with only 8 people and the course stays in great condition considering our budget and the amount of play we get.
    
    Gibson Bay golf course in Richmond Ky if anyone wanted to know.
    
    Jacob Blair
    Eastern Kentucky University
    Turfgrass Management

    
    
    
    
30. Ryan Campbell

    

    0 posts
    
    10/18/2011 9:10 AM

    110 acres, 18 holes, semi-private, southern course (New Orleans) customer/owners expect a high-level of course conditioning.
    
    1 Superintendent
    1 Asst. Superintendent
    1 Mechanic
    1 Asst. Mechanic
    7 FTE (1 devoted to landscaped areas/clubhouse maintenance)
    4 PTE (36 hrs/week in season, 20hrs/week in winter)
    
    In my opinion thats understaffed considering some of the shapes and sizes of our bunkers that need to stay mowed, edged, etc. while still walking mowing greens, rolling greens, changing cups, mowing rough EVERYDAY, and fairways/tees/apps 3 days/week. 4 flame shaped bunkers, 1 fleur de lis bunker, 1 maltese cross bunker, and 2 very large waste bunkers, plus 25 normal bunkers... = a nightmare for our crew members it takes about 1 week for 3-4 guys all day long to detail them.
    
    Ryan Campbell
    Lakewood GC of NOLA
    www.lakewoodgolf.com