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Scalping Greens ????

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  1. Virgil Range
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    7/15/2012 4:07 AM
    Has anyone had a problem with scalping greens right now. I have bacteria decline and thats causing the greens to be puffy at times. I was told yesterday to put new bed knives on the reels. When I mowed last night it looked like it didnt scalp as much but it still did some.
    Anyone have any suggestions to deal with the puffyness and scalping.

    Virgil



  2. Helder Fontinha
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    7/15/2012 12:07 PM
    You use waste water? sometimes i have scalping problems because the waste water have to much nutrients. we make heavy verticut´s 2mm deep and heavy topdressing.



  3. Rosenthal Gregg
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    7/15/2012 4:07 PM
    A light topdressing might help, but I know you do not want to scuff up your bent under bacterial decline. Difficult situation for sure. The other option is light verticut but same issue for sure.. no simple solution in your situation. Possibly skipping a mowing and rolling is another option but it does not make the issue go away. Good luck, it is a difficult situation under tough weather conditions we are facing now. There is no chemistry to help you either nothing directly for bacterial issues....Try contacting my friends at U of Maryland turf program, Agronomy department they may have some good ideas left from Dr. Pete Dernoden.....

    Gregg



  4. D. Isaac Breuer
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    7/16/2012 3:07 PM
    This time of year we switch to smooth rollers instead of wylies. This has helped us with our scalping. We will also walk mow greens if need be, that will help with recovery as well. A light topdressing should help but be careful in this weather not to over do it.


    Isaac Breuer
    Gustin Golf Course
    Columbia MO



  5. Larry Taylor
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    7/16/2012 10:07 PM
    We have had scalping issues in the past. This year we have had no issues and the only thing we have done differently is topdress more. Light topdressing at least every 2 weeks no matter how hot it is. Raise your heights up. Skip mowing and just roll. We found that mowing without baskets helped. Every course is different but if you can just get them through mid august usually it gets cooler by then. They might get slow but at least your greens will be alive. We are on sr1020 in Oklahoma.



  6. Virgil Range
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    7/17/2012 5:07 AM
    Thanks everyone.
    going to put a light topdressing out tomorrow. Hope it doesnt spread the bacteria but right now the scapling is the biggest concern. The ZeroTol, Dac Action and Signature is working on the bacteria and is getting better besides the scalping.
    thanks again guys!

    Virgil



  7. Melvin Waldron
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    7/17/2012 7:07 AM
    Virgil,

    We have done light topdressing before and just didn't drag in, watered it in, as it was light enough to disappear with the irrigation.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  8. Patrick Quinlan
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    7/17/2012 8:07 AM
    I am seeing scalping on my USGA bent greens as they have a high thatch content and we are not topdressing enough. This is the second year its happened when it gets humid. Solid front rollers has helped a little bit but I got approval for more sand to topdress starting next week. Might be to late but better late then never



  9. James Cola
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    7/17/2012 12:07 PM
    I had this problem last year with the all the rain we had shallow roots. Water your greens behind the mowers in the morning. Make sure your cut is not to aggressive...new bed knives!! And the best thing is to take off the baskets, this got rid of my problem!



  10. Keith Fellenstein
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    7/18/2012 11:07 AM
    Couple things to consider: During these hot days, growth regulators don't last as long. Tighten up your application window or increase rates. High organic and nitrates pushing excessive growth...watch fertility in the spring and summer. Venting can create a fertilizer response as oxygen introduced into the profile stimulates microbial activity releasing nutrients.



  11. Melvin Waldron
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    7/18/2012 12:07 PM
    Keith Fellenstein said: Couple things to consider: During these hot days, growth regulators don't last as long. Tighten up your application window or increase rates. High organic and nitrates pushing excessive growth...watch fertility in the spring and summer. Venting can create a fertilizer response as oxygen introduced into the profile stimulates microbial activity releasing nutrients.


    Studies I have heard about with growth regulators if I remember correctly, it doesn't matter the rate, it all has to do with the 200 growing degree days model.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  12. Larry Allan
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    7/19/2012 9:07 AM
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:
    Keith Fellenstein said: Couple things to consider: During these hot days, growth regulators don't last as long. Tighten up your application window or increase rates. High organic and nitrates pushing excessive growth...watch fertility in the spring and summer. Venting can create a fertilizer response as oxygen introduced into the profile stimulates microbial activity releasing nutrients.


    Studies I have heard about with growth regulators if I remember correctly, it doesn't matter the rate, it all has to do with the 200 growing degree days model.

    Mel

    I agree with Mel on the 200 degree day model. I read up on it, I think from the Noer Turfgrass research centre, and it really does work perfectly. Just remember that it is base 0C and add up the days highs in Celsius until you hit 200, then reapply.
    Remember to do it in Celsius or some of you guys will be applying every 1.5 to 2 days. It's likely time you guys join the rest of the world anyway



  13. Timothy Walker
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    7/19/2012 10:07 AM
    Larry Allan said:
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:
    Keith Fellenstein said: Remember to do it in Celsius or some of you guys will be applying every 1.5 to 2 days. It's likely time you guys join the rest of the world anyway



    larry if we join the rest of the world, we won't have the oh my its gonna be 90 or 100 degrees.....ahhhh



  14. Keith Fellenstein
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    7/19/2012 10:07 AM
    Larry Allan said:
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:
    Keith Fellenstein said: Couple things to consider: During these hot days, growth regulators don't last as long. Tighten up your application window or increase rates. High organic and nitrates pushing excessive growth...watch fertility in the spring and summer. Venting can create a fertilizer response as oxygen introduced into the profile stimulates microbial activity releasing nutrients.


    Studies I have heard about with growth regulators if I remember correctly, it doesn't matter the rate, it all has to do with the 200 growing degree days model.

    Mel

    I agree with Mel on the 200 degree day model. I read up on it, I think from the Noer Turfgrass research centre, and it really does work perfectly. Just remember that it is base 0C and add up the days highs in Celsius until you hit 200, then reapply.
    Remember to do it in Celsius or some of you guys will be applying every 1.5 to 2 days. It's likely time you guys join the rest of the world anyway


    All growth regulators or just trinexapac-ethyl?



  15. Melvin Waldron
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    7/19/2012 2:07 PM
    Keith Fellenstein said:
    Larry Allan said:
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:
    Keith Fellenstein said: Couple things to consider: During these hot days, growth regulators don't last as long. Tighten up your application window or increase rates. High organic and nitrates pushing excessive growth...watch fertility in the spring and summer. Venting can create a fertilizer response as oxygen introduced into the profile stimulates microbial activity releasing nutrients.


    Studies I have heard about with growth regulators if I remember correctly, it doesn't matter the rate, it all has to do with the 200 growing degree days model.

    Mel

    I agree with Mel on the 200 degree day model. I read up on it, I think from the Noer Turfgrass research centre, and it really does work perfectly. Just remember that it is base 0C and add up the days highs in Celsius until you hit 200, then reapply.
    Remember to do it in Celsius or some of you guys will be applying every 1.5 to 2 days. It's likely time you guys join the rest of the world anyway


    All growth regulators or just trinexapac-ethyl?


    Keith, the study I heard about it was Trinexapac-ethyl, and it was only on cool season greens height. I'm not sure about warm season greens, definitely cool season greens height.

    Red,
    I was e-mailed a handy dandy PGR GDD tracker excel spread sheet from our speaker who did the presentation. I just plug in the numbers (F) and it does all the math for me. Keith while I was looking up the tracking sheet, I did notice there is a tab for Trimmit, but it wasn't mentioned in the instructions. The tracking spread sheet came from the University of Wisconsin.

    And it does work at 200 GDD when the Primo wears out it wears out and the grass just takes off.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  16. Larry Allan
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    7/19/2012 2:07 PM
    Timothy Walker, CGCS said:
    Larry Allan said:
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:
    Keith Fellenstein said: Remember to do it in Celsius or some of you guys will be applying every 1.5 to 2 days. It's likely time you guys join the rest of the world anyway



    larry if we join the rest of the world, we won't have the oh my its gonna be 90 or 100 degrees.....ahhhh


    It's still time to join the rest of the world
    I've been through both F and C and believe me 37C feels just like 100 F. Dead poa smells the same regardless



  17. Timothy Walker
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    7/19/2012 3:07 PM
    Larry Allan said:
    Timothy Walker, CGCS said:
    Larry Allan said:
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:
    Keith Fellenstein said: Remember to do it in Celsius or some of you guys will be applying every 1.5 to 2 days. It's likely time you guys join the rest of the world anyway



    larry if we join the rest of the world, we won't have the oh my its gonna be 90 or 100 degrees.....ahhhh


    It's still time to join the rest of the world
    I've been through both F and C and believe me 37C feels just like 100 F. Dead poa smells the same regardless



    37 just doesnt have the same bite as 90 or 100



  18. Wallace Jeffrey V
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    7/19/2012 7:07 PM
    Larry Allan said: It's likely time you guys join the rest of the world anyway


    And then what? Start driving on the wrong side of the road? Besides, Sears would never allow it. They have a lifetime guarantee on their tools. I broke a 1/2" wrench and tried to get a 13 mm replacement. They threatened to call the police. I apologized.



  19. Larry Allan
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    7/19/2012 9:07 PM
    Jeffrey Wallace, CGCS said:
    Larry Allan said: It's likely time you guys join the rest of the world anyway


    And then what? Start driving on the wrong side of the road? Besides, Sears would never allow it. They have a lifetime guarantee on their tools. I broke a 1/2" wrench and tried to get a 13 mm replacement. They threatened to call the police. I apologized.

    and rightly so... you sir, have issues...and adapting to the metric system may help you overcome you inopportune food urges.
    In metric we only eat 5 times per day and pray only 8. You may have mixed the two up !



  20. Virgil Range
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    7/20/2012 4:07 AM
    Thanks for all the info everyone. So I decided to go ahead and topdress with no dragging in. I have also took the riding greens mower off and put the walkers on. Since putting the walkers, we havent scalped one time. Should have decided to walk them a long time ago.
    About the Primo. I took that out of my program due to the fact that some cases report that primo and bacteria decline dont go good together. Some say the primo causes the bacteria to flair up. Since ive took that out and did the ZeroTol, signature, and dac action apps, things are really looking good. Probably the best they have looked in about a month or so.

    Again Thanks for the info.

    Virgil



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