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  1. Larry Allan
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    9/17/2011 9:09 AM
    reading the following article really got to me. We don't have the death penalty up here even though there are a lot of people who think we should. The death penalty, to me, is revenge, not punishment. Putting someone to death is a one way street. Putting them into prison is reversible, if and when new evidence arises.
    This story made that more evident than any moralizing I could do. If killing is wrong, why is it right in the states hands?
    I also wonder if this would happen if he were white (I'm making an assumption based on names in the story)

    As told to Jen Marlowe and Monifa Bandele.

    My son was six weeks old when I first brought him to meet his uncle, Troy Davis. You would have thought I gave Troy a gold bar. He was scared to hold my tiny baby. I literally had to just put De'Jaun in his arms and walk away. And he was like, "But he's so little. Come, get him, get him, get him." I said, "No, you get him. You hold him." It was such a magical moment, because it was like I was giving my brother this gift.

    As a young child, De'Jaun didn't understand that my brother, his uncle was incarcerated, much less slated for death. When the family was getting ready to leave after a visit, he'd say, "Come on, Troy, let's go, let's go!" But he couldn't go with us, and my mom would say, "He's in school. He can't come. One day, he'll come home with us."

    As De'Jaun grew older, I explained to him that his uncle was in prison. But I had not yet told him that Georgia planned to kill him. He confided in his uncle more than anyone else. When De'Jaun was 12 years old, it became clear to me that my son understood far more than I had realized.

    Our dog, Egypt, had gotten out of the yard and had been hit by a car. We immediately brought Egypt to a vet who told us that the dog's leg was broken in three places and would need extensive surgery to be repaired. If Egypt did not have the surgery, she would have to be put to sleep. The cost of the surgery was upwards of $10,000.

    As I drove De'Juan home, I wondered how in the world I would come up with $10,000. Putting Egypt down might be the only realistic possibility.

    In the silence of the ride, De'Jaun turned to me and said, "Mom, are you going put my dog to sleep like they're trying to put my Uncle Troy to sleep?"

    I had to swallow this giant lump in my throat to hold back the tears. I didn't know that he related the two things. That he knew they were trying to kill his Uncle Troy. And, he knew about which method that they would use to kill him. At that point, I decided that if I had to pawn my car, I wasn't going to be able to put our dog to sleep.

    In addition to dealing with his uncle facing execution, carrying a full load of advanced placement classes in his high-school's International Baccalaureate program, my son lives with the stress of me being critically ill. I have been battling stage-four breast cancer since De'Jaun was six years old. My original diagnosis was six months or less. That was over ten years ago.

    My brother, Troy Davis is on death row for the 1989 tragic murder of Savannah police officer Mark MacPhail. On Aug. 19, MacPhail was gunned down while rushing to the rescue of a homeless man being pistol-whipped in the parking lot of a Greyhound bus station. The day after the murder, a man named Sylvester "Red" Coles told the police that Troy was the shooter. Troy, then 19 years old, was arrested and eventually convicted in 1991, primarily on the basis of eyewitness testimony.

    There is no physical evidence linking Troy to the crime. The murder weapon was never recovered. Yet, he was sentenced to death. He has been on death row for 20 years, despite the fact that the case against him has completely unraveled. In fact, seven of the nine non-police witnesses later recanted or changed their testimonies, many stating that police coercion and intimidation led to their initial implication of my brother. Several new witnesses have come forward and implicated Sylvester Coles as the shooter.

    This is Troy's fourth time facing execution. De'Jaun remembers the first execution date vividly. It was July 17, 2007. He was 13 years old. We went to go see Troy, and Troy wasn't really worrying about himself. He was mostly worried about his family -- about us. I was looking at my mother. She was praying, praying, praying. It was a lot of people constantly praying, constantly praying.

    Troy gave each family member a duty. What did he task his young nephew? He told him, "Just continue to do good in school, do what's right, pick the right friends, watch over the family, and just respect the family. Respect your mom, your grandmother, and your aunties. Do what you love and have a good profession." The execution was stayed within 24 hours of being carried out. The next year, Troy came within 90 minutes of being executed.

    My son is wise beyond his years. He'll say, "My uncle is not the only one going through this type of pain ... a lot of people really want someone to hear their case but they don't have the power and resources." He knows that over 130 death row inmates have been exonerated, found innocent since 1973, demonstrating just how many innocent people are convicted and sentenced to death.

    On March 28, 2011, the Supreme Court denied Troy's final appeal, clearing the way for the state of Georgia to set a fourth execution date. Two weeks later, our mother passed away from "natural causes." De'Jaun was the one who found her. She had just received a clean bill of health from her doctor the day before her death. I don't think she could take another execution date. I believe she died of a broken heart.

    Over the years support has grown. Amnesty International, NAACP, the ACLU, ColorOfChange.org, Bishop Desmond Tutu, President Jimmy Carter, and many more have stood up for Troy.

    There is too much doubt in my brother's case: There's no physical evidence; seven out of nine witnesses have recanted or changed their testimony; there's evidence that suggests there may be another shooter.

    But still, last week, the state of Georgia decided to issue an execution date -- September 21st.



  2. Homme David R
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    9/17/2011 10:09 AM
    You know Larry, being anti-death penalty is kind of a religious viewpoint. Christian. Scott W. is finally getting through to you.

    Dave Homme
    Falls Resort



  3. Wahlin Scott B
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    9/17/2011 10:09 AM
    dhomme said: You know Larry, being anti-death penalty is kind of a religious viewpoint. Christian. Scott W. is finally getting through to you.

    Dave Homme
    Falls Resort


    It seems to be that the religious right is really gunge-ho about the death penalty. I am not religious and I am not in favor of the death penalty, but I am a Christian.



  4. McCallum David K
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    9/17/2011 10:09 AM
    The irony of this discussion is that the opponents of the death penalty are often the most avid abortion on demand advocates and on the opposite side of it is that often the pro life advocates support the death penalty. Some obvious contradiction on both sides of the arguement



  5. Wahlin Scott B
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    9/17/2011 10:09 AM
    There should be no death penalty in the USA. It is proven that it is not a deterrent, it increases fatal crimes and is more expensive than incarceration.



  6. Michael Rosen
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    9/17/2011 10:09 AM
    At least they won't be able to hurt anybody anymore....



  7. Larry Allan
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    9/17/2011 2:09 PM
    I suppose if they could 100 percent double dog dare you guarantee with unadulterated video/DNA/prints on the smoking gun/20 sane witnesses/no police coercion etc etc etc that the person was guilty and sane at the time of the crime...I might be able to somewhat accept it but I don't think anyone is sane when they purposely harm someone....so I guess...uh ..no



  8. Michael Rosen
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    9/17/2011 4:09 PM
    Well, sane or not, if someone harms or kills someone, they are not fit for society and should be put down like a dog.



  9. Niemier Rick A
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    9/17/2011 6:09 PM
    I just have trouble believing people who come forward many years after the crime. They had a chance to tell their story but they wait all these years? And the witnesses. They start doubting what they saw? They start feeling guilty that they put a man on death row? They see the mother and sister saying he would never do something like this? At least Troy Davis' mother and sister could visit him in prison and talk to him. He could talk back to them. They got 20 years more than the murdered police officer's family.



  10. Larry Allan
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    9/18/2011 5:09 AM
    One would think that if he shot a gun there would be detectable gun shot residue on his person. From what I read there was not.
    You can't kill the guy if you can't prove without a doubt that he did it just to placate the dead officers family. The eye for an eye thing I think means the "correct" eye for an eye



  11. McCallum David K
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    9/18/2011 6:09 AM
    So Red & Scott ........killing a killer is bad and killing an unborn baby is good? Just wondering.



  12. Wahlin Scott B
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    9/18/2011 7:09 AM
    McCallum said: So Red & Scott ........killing a killer is bad and killing an unborn baby is good? Just wondering.


    I am against the death penalty and abortion. I am not so against either one that I would consider electing a radical whose position was the same as mine.



  13. Kauffman John M
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    9/18/2011 7:09 AM
    McCallum said: The irony of this discussion is that the opponents of the death penalty are often the most avid abortion on demand advocates and on the opposite side of it is that often the pro life advocates support the death penalty. Some obvious contradiction on both sides of the arguement


    Excellent observation, David. Contradictions like these are common in our society and probably ensure that no single viewpoint will ever prevail. Conservatives dislike killing, but advocate the death penatly. Liberals dislike the death penalty, but advocate abortion. Conservatives dislike big government, but advocate large military budgets and things like NASA. Liberals like big government, but dislike large military budgets and NASA.

    Some situations aren't so clear, either. Conservatives often advocate religion (which many take a proselytizing), but also advocate freedom (which many see as the opposite of proselytizing). Liberals say they advocate religious freedom, but try to force their world views (similar to religious views) on others using government.

    This may be why I always want to know why people think the way they do. Do we subscribe to particular views because others who think like us do, or do we have our own reasons; and do those reasons coincide with our other views?

    Sometimes people are just inconsistent. Its not good or bad -- it just is.



  14. Larry Allan
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    9/18/2011 9:09 AM
    McCallum said: So Red & Scott ........killing a killer is bad and killing an unborn baby is good? Just wondering.

    Dave, I'm not pro abortion, I just take the position that it is none of my business, which is my personal out of a situation that I can see both sides of. When it comes to capital punishment I also see both sides but if you are going to carry it out, make damn sure its the right guy because if somebody is killed and it turns out to be the wrong guy, all arguments for the benefit of capital punishment, be it cost, an eye for an eye, or just vengeance, go out the window



  15. Homme David R
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    9/18/2011 1:09 PM
    Larry, is that because the "wrong guy" is innocent? Kind of like the unborn fetus.

    You pretty much have to agree with legislated murder or not agree with it.

    Dave Homme
    Falls Resort



  16. Clay Putnam
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    9/18/2011 2:09 PM
    My biggest problem with the death penalty is that it takes too long for the sentence to be carried out.

    I could care less the reason for the death penalty; vengeance or other. I have no use for an egregious murderer. His/her presence in life is a waste for every aspect of society. Off them then an appropriate burial in the landfill.



  17. McCallum David K
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    9/19/2011 7:09 AM
    Steve O have had this debate on here for a period of years...........I have always said though I agree with the death penalty in most cases...............I too could live without it IF they do away with abortion on demand and that is basically what this country has. Those of death row cost the taxpayer much more than the average incarcecrated prisoner. I know as Louisiana has more on death row than any other state.



  18. Larry Allan
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    9/19/2011 12:09 PM
    The overall point I was trying to make was not rather I agree with the death penalty but that this guy seems to be getting a raw deal, and that a number of high ranking officials have weighed in saying so. It looks as though he is being put to death for no other reason than they don't want to go through the effort of giving him a new trial.
    That's the thing that blows.
    When a life is on the line, you better make damn sure he is guilty



  19. Clay Putnam
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    9/19/2011 3:09 PM
    I know nothing of this case other than what Red has posted. It seems very odd to me that the entirety of the appeal process including the supreme court would rule against this death row inmate because the lot of them just don't want to deal with it. Something is missing in this story.



  20. Larry Allan
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    9/22/2011 11:09 AM
    Well, he was executed last night. The MacPhail family is filled with "relief and peace"
    Many others with shock and disbelief
    I highlighted something in the report that kinda shocked me...he was allowed to try to "prove his innocence."
    Strange concept...


    ATLANTA -- Former President Jimmy Carter says the execution of death row inmate Troy Davis in Georgia shows that the nation's death penalty system is "unjust and outdated."

    The Georgia Democrat said Thursday in a statement to The Associated Press that he hopes "this tragedy will spur us as a nation toward the total rejection of capital punishment."

    Davis was executed late Wednesday night for the 1989 murder of off-duty Savannah police officer Mark MacPhail. His supporters say he was the victim of mistaken identity, while prosecutors and MacPhail's family said justice was finally served after four years of delays.

    Carter says "if one of our fellow citizens can be executed with so much doubt surrounding his guilt, then the death penalty system in our country is unjust and outdated."

    "I am innocent," Davis said moments before he was executed Wednesday night. "All I can ask ... is that you look deeper into this case so that you really can finally see the truth. I ask my family and friends to continue to fight this fight."

    Prosecutors and MacPhail's family said justice had finally been served.

    "I'm kind of numb. I can't believe that it's really happened," MacPhail's mother, Anneliese MacPhail, said in a telephone interview from her home in Columbus, Ga. "All the feelings of relief and peace I've been waiting for all these years, they will come later. I certainly do want some peace."

    She dismissed Davis' claims of innocence.

    "He's been telling himself that for 22 years. You know how it is, he can talk himself into anything."

    Hundreds of thousands of people signed petitions on Davis' behalf and he had prominent supporters. His attorneys said seven of nine key witnesses against him disputed all or parts of their testimony, but state and federal judges repeatedly ruled against him — three times on Wednesday alone.

    Davis' execution had been halted three times since 2007. The U.S. Supreme Court even gave Davis an unusual opportunity to prove his innocence in a lower court last year. While the nation's top court didn't hear the case, they did set a tough standard for Davis to exonerate himself, ruling that his attorneys must "clearly establish" Davis' innocence — a higher bar to meet than prosecutors having to prove guilt. After the hearing, a lower court judge ruled in prosecutors' favor, and the justices didn't take up the case.

    His attorney Stephen Marsh said Davis would have spent part of Wednesday taking a polygraph test if pardons officials had taken his offer seriously. But they, too, said they wouldn't reconsider their decision. Georgia's governor does not have the power to grant condemned inmates clemency.



  21. Sean Hoolehan
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    9/22/2011 12:09 PM
    Larry,

    I can see how that would appear confusing. It looks like a case of poor editing by the news organization.

    How our court system works is he was given the opportunity to present evidence that he did not have a fair trail due to what ever circumstances he feels is valid. If the appeals court accepts the motion that the circumstances could have altered the outcome of the case it is cause for re-trail. If the evidence is strong enough the state could drop the case all together.

    As a advocate of eliminating the death penalty I am never satisfied with this outcome, to me it just makes the inmate look like a victim. I did find it peculiar that there was much less outrage of the execution of a White supremacist in Texas the same day.

    sean



  22. McCallum David K
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    9/22/2011 1:09 PM
    Executed Brewer at 6:00 pm in Texas yesterday also..........and as the sheriff said........one down and one to go...........narry a word said.........different case, different circustances but for death penalty advocates do not know of any were protesting in Huntsville last night.



  23. Larry Allan
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    9/22/2011 1:09 PM
    I just read about the guy in Texas. Not pretty. Even his sister supported his execution



  24. Wahlin Scott B
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    9/22/2011 2:09 PM
    Once the situation is under control the killing should stop. I completely support killing if necessary in the street. I once had a police officer friend tell me, "Do you know why we shot him 41 times? We ran out of bullets." Once they are under control and in a cell, it should just be a matter of time. Besides, what is the likelihood they would die of something more grueling than lethal injection?



  25. Niemier Rick A
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    9/22/2011 6:09 PM
    pale said: His attorney Stephen Marsh said Davis would have spent part of Wednesday taking a polygraph test if pardons officials had taken his offer seriously. But they, too, said they wouldn't reconsider their decision. Georgia's governor does not have the power to grant condemned inmates clemency.


    If I were innocent I would have taken lie detector tests all day every day. I wouldn't of worried about whether pardons officials were taking me seriously.



  26. Melvin Waldron
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    9/22/2011 11:09 PM
    pale said: I just read about the guy in Texas. Not pretty. Even his sister supported his execution


    Yet I heard the victim's family in that case didn't support his execution, they knew it would not bring their loved one back.

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  27. Snell John R
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    9/25/2011 5:09 AM
    many of the reporters gave no indication in their reporting that they had read any of the court decisions in the multiple appeals that all went against Davis or even the transcript of the actual trial. Those who had read the court documents would have seen that the idea that seven of nine eyewitnesses recanted was a stretch.
    Those same witnesses hedged during the trial about their identifications, and the jury heard their hesitancy and could have factored that into consideration. And the courts concluded that those who filed sworn statements backing away from aspects of their trial testimony did not offer material differences. None said it couldn't have been Davis because "I saw someone else do it" or because he was in another town that night.
    The stories also left out the fact that the same jury convicted Davis of another shooting the same night, although it was not fatal.

    Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/georgia/20 ... z1YxYSZLe2



  28. Larned Fred
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    10/15/2011 6:10 AM
    wahlins said: There should be no death penalty in the USA. It is proven that it is not a deterrent, it increases fatal crimes and is more expensive than incarceration.


    Well if it is more expensive Then quit letting them stay on death row for twenty years. Go straight from court to the killing room and I will donate the bullets. And as far as making sure they are guilty we are humans and we are going to make mistakes and sorry about your bad luck. Maybe you shouldn't have been in that situation.



  29. Ronald Conard
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    10/15/2011 7:10 AM
    superfred said:
    wahlins said: There should be no death penalty in the USA. It is proven that it is not a deterrent, it increases fatal crimes and is more expensive than incarceration.


    Well if it is more expensive Then quit letting them stay on death row for twenty years. Go straight from court to the killing room and I will donate the bullets. And as far as making sure they are guilty we are humans and we are going to make mistakes and sorry about your bad luck. Maybe you shouldn't have been in that situation.



    :shock:



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