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rollers on tri-plex greens mowers

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  1. Wayne Bertrand
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    2/6/2014 1:02 PM
    What do most prefer for front rollers on a tri-plex greens mower, solid or grooved.



  2. Kevin Girt
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    2/6/2014 2:02 PM
    If you don't mow a cleanup pass grooved rollers are fine.
    Hope this helps



  3. Craig Moore
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    2/6/2014 3:02 PM
    It all depends on your situation. Grooved rollers seem to be a little more aggressive especially on a clean-up pass in areas of weak turf. Grooved roller also seem to cut more grass because less grass is getting roller over before the reel passes over top. I use grooved rollers all season on our greens but I just reduce the amount of clean-up passes based on yield. Sometime I can go 5-6 days with no clean-up because growth is minimal while other times I have gone 7 straight days with a clean-up pass because of growth was excessive. Pay attention to your product in the field and adjust, a must when working with mother nature.



  4. Melvin Waldron
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    2/6/2014 6:02 PM
    Grooved all season long. I think mowing at .156 helps. I do know of some courses going to smooth during the summer.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  5. Timothy Walker
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    2/6/2014 7:02 PM
    Always used grooved even down to .125" like Craig, reduced clean up cuts based on yield.



  6. Tony Feheregyhazi
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    2/6/2014 8:02 PM
    Have always used grooved rollers with the exception of new greens during a grow-in.

    Tony Feheregyhazi
    Bridges Golf Course
    winnipeg, canada



  7. Michael Posey
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    2/6/2014 10:02 PM
    What type of turf, where, what is your preferred cutting heights, do you use groomers or brushes?



  8. Kenneth Ingram
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    2/8/2014 4:02 PM
    Great post. The USGA Green Section has beat this to death. They visit a course once a year. Naturally they are going to look at bare or thin spots greens. They see marks from grooved rollers and declare them the culprit even though traffic, drainage, and shade are much more of an issue. I disagree and don't think they are more damaging than solid rollers. Solids during grow in but once turf is established grooved rollers are fine. Kenneth Ingram, UMD



  9. Joe Wachter
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    2/10/2014 11:02 AM
    I've gone to solid roller on both riders and walkers exclusively the past two years and will not look back. Get a little layover but have to brush and groom a little more often to help improve ball roll. I will never go back to slotted unless a high profile course would hire me which I don't expect or intend to happen.



  10. Christopher Boldreghini
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    2/11/2014 6:02 AM
    Joe,

    We down in south east Missouri, consider Glen Echo a high profile club.

    Charlie B.
    SEMO



  11. Melvin Waldron
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    2/11/2014 8:02 AM
    Christopher Boldreghini said: Joe,

    We down in south east Missouri, consider Glen Echo a high profile club.

    Charlie B.
    SEMO


    I agree Charlie, anyplace where I can't walk in off the street would be high profile to me. (actually anything with greens fees over $30 dollars would be high profile, but I am a price sensitive person, or as my friends? say cheap)

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  12. Joe Wachter
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    2/17/2014 10:02 AM
    Christopher Boldreghini said: Joe,

    We down in south east Missouri, consider Glen Echo a high profile club.

    Charlie B.
    SEMO


    It is a great club Charlie! Meaning more in the tournament venue, stimpmeter in the contract type places which we do have here in STl. Thanks for helping me clarify.



  13. Melvin Waldron
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    2/17/2014 6:02 PM
    Joe Wachter, CGCS said:
    Christopher Boldreghini said: Joe,

    We down in south east Missouri, consider Glen Echo a high profile club.

    Charlie B.
    SEMO


    It is a great club Charlie! Meaning more in the tournament venue, stimpmeter in the contract type places which we do have here in STl. Thanks for helping me clarify.


    Do they get to bring their own stimpmeter?

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  14. Andy Jorgensen
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    2/17/2014 6:02 PM
    Kenneth Ingram, CGCS said: Great post. The USGA Green Section has beat this to death. They visit a course once a year. Naturally they are going to look at bare or thin spots greens. They see marks from grooved rollers and declare them the culprit even though traffic, drainage, and shade are much more of an issue. I disagree and don't think they are more damaging than solid rollers. Solids during grow in but once turf is established grooved rollers are fine. Kenneth Ingram, UMD



    The Green Section prefers to build a relationship with a facility and visit as often as possible. That being said, the financial side of bringing in a third party isn't always equal to the desire. So, most often one visit is all they get. It's no secret solid rollers decrease stress, hence the reason you use them on a grow in. So if the Green Section staff sees an area affected by stress, they offer suggestions to alleviate that stress including using a solid roller. I have only met three USGA Agronomists, but they've all been very good in looking at all causes of an issue.

    We run grooved rollers from March through September, solids the remainder. We do not overseed so the less stress we can put on the greens as we head into periods of little to no growth and VERY high traffic, the better we are throughout the winter months. Especially on the clean up passes. I prefer grooved when we are actively growing as I feel we get a better cut.



  15. Christopher Thuer
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    2/17/2014 8:02 PM
    We are switching from grooved front rollers on our 1 season old Deere 2500 E to solid front rollers. The unit has groomers that we run daily. We are not looking to reduce stress but looking to get better ball roll. Since we can't afford to buy a dedicated roller we hope the extra weight of the smooth roller helps. Any turf layover should be corrected by the groomers. We may add solid rear rollers as well to replace the hollow smooth rear rollers. This would easily add 25 lbs per roller. We are also going to experiment during slow growth times with adding bricks to the baskets, turning off the reels, and raising the groomers to see what kind of ball roll we get rolling without mowing.

    The new 2500 cutting units are really light. When we had more staff and walk mowed every day with 220B at the same hoc we had great ball roll numbers. The 220B's weigh a lot and have a smooth drum so the greens got a good roll every day.

    Chris Thuer, CGCS, Bear Slide Golf Club, Cicero, IN

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