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1. Brandon Key

   

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   1/14/2014 11:01 AM

   Anybody ever use Floradox....If so, for what and how effective is it?

   
   
   
   
2. Steven Huffstutler

   

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   1/14/2014 11:01 AM

   Google "Floradox MSDS" and decide for yourself. They won't willingly tell you what's in it, but they have to provide the information for the MSDS.
   It's NPK with Collagen. I don't know what collagen is supposed to do, but I'm sure it's magical.
   
   Steve

   
   
   
   
3. Michael Rogers

   

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   1/14/2014 12:01 PM

   Collagen is most abundant protein in animals????????
   
   http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK21582/

   
   
   
   
4. James Gray

   

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   1/15/2014 5:01 PM

   I have used it the last 3 summers. I usually buy 2 cases a year and put it out late june- late august. it helps the plant fight and recover from severe weather conditions. I was told if you put a pint/ac of this in with regular Daconil, you will have a product 10X better than Dac Action.

   
   
   
   
5. David Stout

   

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   1/18/2014 9:01 PM

   I thought that was what acibenzolar s methyl was for?

   
   
   
   
6. Steven Huffstutler

   

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   1/19/2014 4:01 AM

   James Gray said: I have used it the last 3 summers. I usually buy 2 cases a year and put it out late june- late august. it helps the plant fight and recover from severe weather conditions. I was told if you put a pint/ac of this in with regular Daconil, you will have a product 10X better than Dac Action.

   
   
   Who told you that?
   
   Steve

   
   
   
   
7. James Gray

   

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   1/20/2014 2:01 PM

   well of course a Floratine salesman, but I trust his agronomic opinions.

   
   
   
   
8. Steven Huffstutler

   

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   1/20/2014 5:01 PM

   Trust is a wonderful thing. We all have to make our own decisions and we all need to remember that we are spending other peoples money. I mean no disrespect, but before I would assume that anybody who made a claim like that was legit, I might do a little research. Sometimes, a little logic saves us a lot of money.
   
   Regards,
   
   Steve

   
   
   
   
9. Keith Lamb

   

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   1/20/2014 6:01 PM

   Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said: Trust is a wonderful thing. We all have to make our own decisions and we all need to remember that we are spending other peoples money. I mean no disrespect, but before I would assume that anybody who made a claim like that was legit, I might do a little research. Sometimes, a little logic saves us a lot of money.
   
   Regards,
   
   Steve

   
   
   
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10. Steven Huffstutler

    

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    1/20/2014 7:01 PM

    I am a well known Floratine sceptic. I don't hate their products, some of them are very effective and I used to use them, what I hate is the way they market them and charge a premium for them.
    As far as seaweed products go, I sprayed them religiously for years thinking that I was doing something good. Then one day my Assistant asked what, exactly this stuff did and could I provide some data that showed that they had some sort of beneficial effect. I could not quantify it and I realized that what it did mostly was make me feel better.
    So I quit spraying all that stuff and went back to a basic nutrition program at about 1/3 the cost and never saw a difference in the performance of my greens.
    The Floratine rep tried to convince me that I was going to get fired over it and that I needed to keep spraying his magic pixie dust because my greens were going to fail.
    The truth is that the trust was misplaced and I needed to use my head.
    Outlandish claims are exactly that.....outlandish.
    The idea that adding a product that is N,P and K with some seaweed and other nonsense in it is going to increase the effectiveness of a fungicide by a factor of 10 is just stupid.
    
    
    Regards,
    
    Steve

    
    
    
    
11. Peter Bowman

    

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    1/20/2014 8:01 PM

    Keith Lamb said:

    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said: Trust is a wonderful thing. We all have to make our own decisions and we all need to remember that we are spending other peoples money. I mean no disrespect, but before I would assume that anybody who made a claim like that was legit, I might do a little research. Sometimes, a little logic saves us a lot of money.
    
    Regards,
    
    Steve

    
    
    
    [url=http://s520.photobucket.com/user/alohakane123/media/spock-logic_zps09763de8.jpg.html">[img">http://i520.photobucket.com/albums/w327/alohakane123/spock-logic_zps09763de8.jpg[/img">

    
    
    Logic. That reminds me of one of my favorite jokes.

    
    
    
    
12. Robert Crockett

    

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    1/21/2014 8:01 AM

    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said: Google "Floradox MSDS" and decide for yourself. They won't willingly tell you what's in it, but they have to provide the information for the MSDS.
    It's NPK with Collagen. I don't know what collagen is supposed to do, but I'm sure it's magical.
    
    Steve

    
    It gets rid of that old wrinkly turf

    
    
    
    
13. Robert Crockett

    

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    1/21/2014 8:01 AM

    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said: I am a well known Floratine sceptic. I don't hate their products, some of them are very effective and I used to use them, what I hate is the way they market them and charge a premium for them.
    As far as seaweed products go, I sprayed them religiously for years thinking that I was doing something good. Then one day my Assistant asked what, exactly this stuff did and could I provide some data that showed that they had some sort of beneficial effect. I could not quantify it and I realized that what it did mostly was make me feel better.
    So I quit spraying all that stuff and went back to a basic nutrition program at about 1/3 the cost and never saw a difference in the performance of my greens.
    The Floratine rep tried to convince me that I was going to get fired over it and that I needed to keep spraying his magic pixie dust because my greens were going to fail.
    The truth is that the trust was misplaced and I needed to use my head.
    Outlandish claims are exactly that.....outlandish.
    The idea that adding a product that is N,P and K with some seaweed and other nonsense in it is going to increase the effectiveness of a fungicide by a factor of 10 is just stupid.
    
    
    Regards,
    
    Steve

    
    When they state, "Studies have shown", "High end courses use this" and "Superintendents say"....If they don't give you the name of the Institution the study is at, or names of the endorsers, most likely it's snake oil. Band Wagon, Quackery..ect ... I find price fluctuations of the same product, different vendor up to $150.00. I have very good friends that are my salesmen, however, I don't trust every spill that comes from them either. And they know that and respect it too.

    
    
    
    
14. Melvin Waldron

    

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    1/21/2014 3:01 PM

    When it is discussed about what some of the seaweed products do (or many of the other products out there), the one question that I have is there is a lot of talk about root mass, building roots, and keeping roots in the summer, especially when mowing so close.
    
    What my question is, (and maybe this is for another thread?) could there be too many roots? I guess with poa you can't have too many? But what about bentgrass (or mostly bentgrass)? Mowed at .156, depending on the area of the country. I sometimes get concerned that I could get too much organic matter built up in the root zone. Do I then need to core aerate more? Any thoughts?
    
    Thanks!
    
    Mel

    
    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
    
    
15. Morozowsky Martin

    
    1/24/2014 8:01 AM

    Mel
    
    Now you are at the 10,000 foot level. I like it. The more superintendents add the more you grow then you need more pgrs? The more aeration? Those are very good questions. I always thought bentgrass thrived in neglect the use of fertilizer judiciously. Isn't the organic matter production a bye product of biology, as heat units increase biology works faster therefore increase organic production then added fertilizer accelerates that process. Then the need for aeration and pgrs? Is this faulty logic?
    
    
    Humm
    
    Martin J. Morozowsky
    Seven Oaks Country Club

    
    
    
    
16. Sean Hoolehan

    

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    1/24/2014 9:01 AM

    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:
    
    What my question is, (and maybe this is for another thread?) could there be too many roots?
    
    Thanks!
    
    Mel

    
    
    
    There you go Mel and ruin it for everyone else!

    
    
    
    
17. Sean Hoolehan

    

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    1/24/2014 9:01 AM

    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said: I am a well known Floratine sceptic. I don't hate their products, some of them are very effective and I used to use them, what I hate is the way they market them and charge a premium for them.
    As far as seaweed products go, I sprayed them religiously for years thinking that I was doing something good. Then one day my Assistant asked what, exactly this stuff did and could I provide some data that showed that they had some sort of beneficial effect. I could not quantify it and I realized that what it did mostly was make me feel better.
    So I quit spraying all that stuff and went back to a basic nutrition program at about 1/3 the cost and never saw a difference in the performance of my greens.
    The Floratine rep tried to convince me that I was going to get fired over it and that I needed to keep spraying his magic pixie dust because my greens were going to fail.
    The truth is that the trust was misplaced and I needed to use my head.
    Outlandish claims are exactly that.....outlandish.
    The idea that adding a product that is N,P and K with some seaweed and other nonsense in it is going to increase the effectiveness of a fungicide by a factor of 10 is just stupid.
    
    
    Regards,
    
    Steve

    
    
    Steve as we Catholics know well "Confession is good for the Soul"! Apparently the same holds true for confirmed Atheists. Ps I could not agree with you more on this subject!

    
    
    
    
18. Ronald Conard

    

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    1/24/2014 11:01 AM

    Martin Morozowsky said: Mel
    
    Now you are at the 10,000 foot level. I like it. The more superintendents add the more you grow then you need more pgrs? The more aeration? Those are very good questions. I always thought bentgrass thrived in neglect the use of fertilizer judiciously. Isn't the organic matter production a bye product of biology, as heat units increase biology works faster therefore increase organic production then added fertilizer accelerates that process. Then the need for aeration and pgrs? Is this faulty logic?
    
    
    Humm
    
    Martin J. Morozowsky
    Seven Oaks Country Club

    
    
    
    With regards to high temperatures leading to an increase in organic matter in turf, I think the reverse is true. When temperatures drop, organic matter decomposition drops too as microbial activity slows down. Peat bogs only really form in cool climates for this reason. Plus, root growth increases as temperatures drop. Combine that with decreased o.m. decomposition during the spring and fall in the northern climes and I think we need to be aware of the need to continue to dilute the thatch/mat layer throughout the year with topdressing.
    
    Mel, doesn't core aeration increase root growth? I think I came across a study recently that showed core aeration actually increases organic matter levels in sand based systems.
    
    FWIW

    
    
    
    
19. Melvin Waldron

    

    43 posts
    
    1/24/2014 2:01 PM

    Ron, I'm sure you're correct, as we continue showing off pictures of roots finding their way into aeration holes, and maybe this is where it is important to fill the holes up with clean sand to help dilute the organic matter?
    
    My thought process is and why I bring it up, are these products for everyone? Part of it brought on by the ability of the new grasses to mow lower, and still have root systems, these products help with that? Of course since we are mowing lower, increasing green speeds and having greens faster than the average golfer should play on, is it hurting the game? Now for my part, (1. because I do not have the resources, 2. I'm not really that smart, and 3. With us being a favorite public course with seniors and beginners, my clientele does not need fast greens) I tend to mow at .156 so the course is fun and easier to maintain. Do I really need all those bells and whistles? Maybe, it might save on chemicals, or maybe it saves on normal fertilization? But I guess that is the one thing we do forget when we ask our friends here on the forum, (and not that we should stop asking questions), what are they doing different then we are, and is that why we might not see the same results? Or maybe it isn't the right program for us? Or how the heck do we afford that program? (Although I sometimes forget, it might be a lot more per acre, but when talking about 2 acres of greens, how much more does it really cost me)?
    
    I guess what I'm really getting at is there is a plant health issue and a golfer issue, and when it comes to them, we tend to do things for our course, but is it the best for the game overall, when we want to keep it fun and affordable?
    
    Thanks!
    
    Mel

    
    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
    
    
20. Steven Huffstutler

    

    11 posts
    
    1/24/2014 3:01 PM

    Sean Hoolehan, CGCS said:

    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said: I am a well known Floratine sceptic. I don't hate their products, some of them are very effective and I used to use them, what I hate is the way they market them and charge a premium for them.
    As far as seaweed products go, I sprayed them religiously for years thinking that I was doing something good. Then one day my Assistant asked what, exactly this stuff did and could I provide some data that showed that they had some sort of beneficial effect. I could not quantify it and I realized that what it did mostly was make me feel better.
    So I quit spraying all that stuff and went back to a basic nutrition program at about 1/3 the cost and never saw a difference in the performance of my greens.
    The Floratine rep tried to convince me that I was going to get fired over it and that I needed to keep spraying his magic pixie dust because my greens were going to fail.
    The truth is that the trust was misplaced and I needed to use my head.
    Outlandish claims are exactly that.....outlandish.
    The idea that adding a product that is N,P and K with some seaweed and other nonsense in it is going to increase the effectiveness of a fungicide by a factor of 10 is just stupid.
    
    
    Regards,
    
    Steve

    
    
    Steve as we Catholics know well "Confession is good for the Soul"! Apparently the same holds true for confirmed Atheists. Ps I could not agree with you more on this subject!

    
    
    Atheists would more properly be called "skeptics", Sean. Prove to me the existence of god and I will come around to your way of thinking. Prove to me that Floratine does as they claim and I will start using it again. I don't see either happening any time soon.
    
    Warm regards,
    
    Steve

    
    
    
    
21. James Gray

    

    1 posts
    
    1/28/2014 9:01 AM

    I was a little misunderstood with my "10 times better" statement. The Daconil will perform the same with or without any additives, but the amount of Acibenzolar in the jug is miniscule. Therefore, what I meant to imply was" a quart of Floradox has way more plant health boosting abilities than the little bit of Acibenzolar".
    
    or just use the plain Dac, i'm sure the turf will be fine.
    
    As to what is in it, after searching many MSDS sheets on multiple products, it seems as if they only have to list Hazardous ingredients. Am I wrong there? So, its safe to say, it has more than collagen in it.