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1. Border Ricky H

   
   2/20/2012 11:02 AM

   Any one have any insight on the use of bayonet tines. Thinking of using instead of needle tines for monthly venting procedure on greens. "A" series bent, USGA spec rootzone, location northern panhandle WV. Thanks in advance.
   
   Rick Border GCS
   Oglebay Resort
   Wheeling, WV

   
   
   
   
2. Baker Daniel

   
   2/21/2012 6:02 AM

   I quit using my needle tines and only use the bayonetts for venting. I love the fact that you get a much better hole and still have very little to no distrubance. I have mowed, aerified and rolled before play without anyone noticing

   
   
   
   
3. Toby Burkhart

   

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   2/21/2012 7:02 AM

   All we used last year were the Bayonet tines. Like the previous post we were able to go out and vent the greens even with play going on. We would roll behind the process and the players hardly noticed a difference in the surface. We did it once a month through the entire summer and I have know doubt that is what helped us get through the extreme temps. The only down side to these tines; they are fairly expensive about 18.00 per tine and they will bend fairly easy if you have some rocky ground around your greens like we do here in the Ozarks.
   Hope this helps.
   
   Toby Burkhart
   Class A Superintendent
   Holiday Hills Resort
   Branson, MO

   
   
   
   
4. Baker Daniel

   
   2/21/2012 11:02 AM

   I didn't pay anywhere near $18 for mine. I use the Toro Titan tines and think they came in about $11.5 each when I bought them two years ago. I just looked at the JRM Cataloge and depending on your mount and depth they range from $11.35 to $21.22. ( http://www.jrmonline.com/pilotFiles/cat ... p22-29.pdf page 24) I would try to negotiate that price down a little also.
   
   I have never bent a bayonett tine either. I have oak trees witin 6 feet of my greens and know that I push through roots in some areas. I ran it in my fairway and hit a concrete drain box last summer and bent the tip of two tines, but never broke them. This may be because the Titan Tines are a harder steel than the regular tines?

   
   
   
   
5. Patrick Quinlan

   

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   2/22/2012 6:02 AM

   I also use the Bayonett Tines and I really like them. I am using the 10 block holder but only using 5 Bayonetts per block. I am running the 648 at the 2in spacing. Are you guys using 10 tines per block and if so what spacing are you running?

   
   
   
   
6. Kyle Fick

   

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   2/22/2012 8:02 AM

   I also use the 10 tine block with only 5 tines in it staggered between the front and back ports. By doing this, I go at 2.5" spacing and this seems to not sponge up the greens at all. On the other ports of the mounting block, we've been throwing in 1/8 to 1/4" needle tines to punch even more holes. As others posted, there's no reason to not go with the bayonet. I firmly believe they've helped us in the summer when our heat goes up and our water quality goes down.

   
   
   
   
7. James Moore_2

   

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   2/22/2012 8:02 AM

   You can go deeper if needed with these tines , They don,t seem to lift the turf as much , Great for busting up ice with minimal to no damage to the turf.

   
   
   
   
8. David Ohren

   

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   2/22/2012 9:02 AM

   I have been using a least 2X a year and am trying to fit a third or even fourth time. There is very little disruption of play. Most golfers don't even realize we did it. Mow or rolling behind or both if you have the staff. Great product can't think of one downfall.
   
   David Ohen
   Willow Glen GC

   
   
   
   
9. Border Ricky H

   
   2/22/2012 9:02 AM

   Thanks so much for input. My question is about the orientation of the tine ========this way orIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII this way? The front of machine being the top of page. Thanks in advance
   Rick Border GCS
   Oglebay Resort
   Wheeling, WV

   
   
   
   
10. Chris Wiedenmeyer

    

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    6/19/2012 2:06 PM

    I know there has been talk on here about the Bayonet Tines before. My course has recently purchased a used Wiedenmann terra spike GXi. I am looking at using either the bayonet tines or needle tines on the same machine.
    
    I have 2 questions for those of you using this machine.
    
    1-Which of those tines would you suggest for venting greens in the summer months in MN. Bentgrass/poa greens, 10 push up/10 sand greens. Looking for as little as possible disruption to ball roll.
    
    2-What tine length would you suggest?
    
    Thanks
    Chris

    
    
    
    
11. Kyle Fick

    

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    6/20/2012 10:06 AM

    I fully recomend the bayonets as deep as you dare go. Larger opening, can do a further spacing if desired, and the width of the bayonet is the same as that of the needle tine. Larger space stays open longer, and disrupts the same as the needle. They have worn better for me, won't break off when weak in your pushups, and as long as you are doing the process, why not have an open hole longer. I like to roll following (or mow if no rollers), and topdress not far after either just in case you do have any denting.
    
    I've found the key is to acquire a longer tine (I use 5.5's in a procore 648), and not bury it to the flare at the top. I got in about 4" for the front nine, and then to 5 on the back to accomodate for the tip wear that does and will occur. More often than not though, they will make an entire 19 for me without wearing the first go through. I don't know what type of mount your machine has, but we stagger on quad block front to back to be able to increase our ground speed, getting more holes more quickly in the surface of the green.
    
    Kyle Fick
    GCS Bully Pulpit GC
    Medora, ND

    
    
    
    
12. Chris Wiedenmeyer

    

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    6/21/2012 12:06 PM

    Thank you Kyle. I will be trying this out in the very near future. Ordered the tines today.