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  1. Jeremy Hreben
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    10/19/2012 9:10 AM
    Due to some idiots that wanted to have some fun, they killed 4 greens with round-up in august. Had it tested and it was officially round-up. We stripped the sod, till it up a little with a sand pro, raked in some amendments(organic fert and myco rizea) the rolled it. They looked pretty darn good. They were sodded with 007. Now we have rolled them a bunch of times, hand top dressed them very heavy and started walk mowing them at .250(other greens are normally triplexed at .140). They look pretty good and are getting tight. My plan is right before I lower them I will topdress heavy again. and so on and so forth. I was thinking about spraying them with Primo. Do you guys have any thoughts about this or any other suggestions.



  2. Hardy Andrew
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    10/19/2012 11:10 AM
    Aeration early and often to alleviate any chances of layering.



  3. Dru Clark
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    10/19/2012 11:10 AM
    I would topdress heavy directly after taking the heights down, not before. No sense in mowing all that sand. Take the plant down low and then give a nice topdressing to serve as a growing medium. JMO



  4. Clay Putnam
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    10/19/2012 12:10 PM
    Never used a growth regulator during a grown-in. Sorry I can't help your there.

    I take a complete different approach than Dru. Top dress first. Top dressing first while at the same time dropping the HOC creates an elevated soil level thus reducing the stress on the plant of a lower cutting height. For example:
    Current HOC=.250". Top dress to a depth of .025". Mow at new HOC of .180" .Effective reduction in leaf tissue is .045".

    Yes the mowers can take a beating but given the choice between the mowers taking a beating or the grass taking a beating...



  5. Andy Jorgensen
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    10/19/2012 6:10 PM
    Andrew Hardy said: Aeration early and often to alleviate any chances of layering.


    I agree. And topdress first, wait a day, then mow.



  6. Dalton Andrew
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    10/19/2012 9:10 PM
    I have had good success lowering heights while applying growth regulators. A lot of people advice against it. What am I missing?

    Andy



  7. James Smith
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    10/20/2012 6:10 AM
    Dru Clark said: I would topdress heavy directly after taking the heights down, not before. No sense in mowing all that sand. Take the plant down low and then give a nice topdressing to serve as a growing medium. JMO


    Sorry Dru, but logic is not in agreement with this thought process.

    By topdressing heavy before lowering them you elevate the soil level reducing the actual HOC already and not stressing the plant. I have done this for over 10 years and find it is the least stressful way to lower the HOC. AS any other time of the year when we are topdressing heavy (aerifying) I always wait until the dew is gone before attempting to mow the greens to reduce the amount of sand being picked up by the reels or rollers. If you have a greens roller this would be a great time to use it. Topdress heavy, let dry, roll them, and then cut them. repeat as needed until you get the desired HOC, reducing the amount of sand you topdress with as the greens fill in.

    I personally love growth regulators on the greens but over time have found a few no-no's when dealing with my TifEagle. The first is not to use a growth regulator if you are trying to get areas to fill in faster. While it may seem that this is a great way to make them fill in I have found that the growth regulators effect of TifEagle shortens the nodes which tightens up the plant. this can be counter productive if you have bare areas you want to fill in. the longer distance between the nodes take up space which helps cover bare areas a little quicker. Now if your greens are just a little thin like from verticutting it will work great but you have to keep up the fertility (possibly increasing it) when using the growth regulators. Another No-no is Spraying growth regulator around the same time you are stressing the plant like when you aerifye your greens or right after you verticut your greens. Mine always performs better when applied the week before or at minimum 3 days before. I have over the years made the application 2 days after aerifying my greens and it slowed down the recovery by 3-4 days. When I verticut my greens they tend to brown out to some extent which is from the stress of the heavy verticutting and adding a growth regulator seems to only slow them down further. I will wait 4-6 days after a verticutting before applying growth regulators if I could not get them out the week before.



  8. Rosenthal Gregg
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    10/20/2012 7:10 AM
    I would have to also agree to topdress prior to lowering mowing height. Having done many new golf course grow-ins, this is the methodology for sure. I also agree with non use of growth regulators during this time, one wants the turf to grow and respond to grow in. Once completely down to low mowing height and grown in, then I would consider growth regulation. That is done after a green in completely grown in and one is happy with it as a final product for play! I would also consider utlizing an older greens mower during the topdressing and mowing early in the process, often during new course construction I would get used equipment from my Equipment providor to do the begining cutting on new greens. As you say and see much sand and stone may get brought up with the cutting. If you have a good equipment provider they often have an old walking mower laying around or even you have one that is in need of new bedknife or reels, use it only on those greens until the time they are ready to become part of the rest of the greens. Saves you time and money on backlapping other machines, bedknife..ect. keep it simple and you will do well, time is the key dont be pushy, mother nature will do her thing for you!

    Gregg R.



  9. Baker Daniel
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    10/25/2012 6:10 AM
    To contradict James...

    I know a superintendent in the Houston area that regularly sprays his greens with 10oz/A primo weekly during the growing season. The week before he aerifies he sprays at 15oz/A. He has no holes open in 2 weeks with a 1/2" coring tine. From my understanding Primo works directly on leaf elongation. I use it regularly straight through aerification and don't have any problems. If we do develop a thin area or weak spot around an edge, I spot apply a GA such as Floratine's High Five or Per 4 Max. It is amazing what those products can do to growth when applied regularly to an area.



  10. Dalton Andrew
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    10/25/2012 9:10 PM
    I have had very good success with Primo growing in 9 holes, a nursery green and used primo weekly at .130 ounce rate on established greens to help in moss eradication. You could see the grass aggressively creeping over the weakened moss spots. I know a lot of guys avoid using it like the plague during a grow-in, I am to stubborn to understand why, I will always use Primo during a grow-in. However, I do wait until its established enough to start dropping the heights.

    Andy



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