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Tree Proximity to Bunkers and Fine Turf

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  1. Dustin Riley
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    7/22/2016 1:07 PM
    I am sure many of you have had to tree impact conversations with your powers to be. I have been asked to develop a turf enhancement program as it relates to trees. I completed an inventory. I'm recommending ANY tree within 30' of any bentgrass surface or bunker needs to be removed to increase sunlight and air movement plus eliminate root competition. I chose 30' because it's the approx. drip line for our average tree. This approach would remove canopies from overhanging fairways and reduce tree litter from dropping into bunkers. I'd wanted to be more aggressive and recommend 50', but that would have resulted in 50%+ removal of tree population. I intentionally developed this recommendation to keep it black and white and avoid personal feeling towards certain trees. Impactful trees 31-50' from key areas would be placed on a root prune program.



    I was able to photo shop the removals and provide an aerial view of the proposed finished product. My committee liked what they saw, but a few loose ends need to be tightened prior to pitching to Board. One key item, is my Committee wants 'other expert' documentation justifying my 30' distance or even recommending further distances from key areas.



    I know there are many shapes and sizes of trees, but have any of you come across documentation that provides general recommendation on how close a tree should be to a key area? Other thoughts?



    Thanks in advance



  2. Clay Putnam
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    7/22/2016 3:07 PM
    You are the expert.

    I've always found it fascinating that a board or committee can sit in front of you and ask for an expert's opinion.



  3. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    7/22/2016 4:07 PM
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said: You are the expert.

    I've always found it fascinating that a board or committee can sit in front of you and ask for an expert's opinion.


    It would be nice if they considered it a second opinion, I would think that would be fair, I always try to mention what other courses "experts" might be doing when I propose something new for our course. But unfortunately too many in those positions don't realize they hired an "expert". Which in a way is a poor reflection on them?

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  4. Terry Smith
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    7/23/2016 9:07 AM
    You might try USGA archives on trees around greens. I believe I read something from them about 25-30 yrs. ago. Not 100% positive it was theirs as my "rememberer" seems to have gotten lost. I think their distance was 30 yds. BTW what day is it?



  5. Larry Allan
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    7/24/2016 7:07 AM
    If you can, get the USGA in for a visit and have the trees marked that they feel you would be better without and their reasoning. We brought in Adam Moeller to look at 25 trees we felt we would be better without. 800 trees later and we are still removing trees. The buy in by members was likely in the 90 percent zone



  6. Melvin Waldron
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    7/24/2016 8:07 AM
    Larry Allan said: If you can, get the USGA in for a visit and have the trees marked that they feel you would be better without and their reasoning. We brought in Adam Moeller to look at 25 trees we felt we would be better without. 800 trees later and we are still removing trees. The buy in by members was likely in the 90 percent zone


    When I was at a course in New Jersey we had the USGA come in and mention taking down just a couple of trees that shaded certain parts of tees. Owner said no dice. Geoff Cornish who designed the course came back and walked it and said the place had become an arboretum, we needed to remove some trees. That winter the owner let us remove about 10-15 trees.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  7. Steve Nelson
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    7/25/2016 7:07 AM
    ditto the USGA. We have had a site visit here for the last 25 years, usually in Sept or Oct to talk about the 'good, the bad, and the ugly' of the season that is just wrapping up. They have been instrumental in helping us remove trees that are too close to greens/tees.



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