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Tractor mount aerifiers on greens.

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  1. Jonathan Wyrick
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    11/20/2013 7:11 AM
    Is there anyone using tractor mounted aerifiers to do normal coring on greens? If so what size and make. I am redoing my lease and looking to get a more efficient and usable machine. I currently have 1JD Aercore and it is not very fast. I have the option to get a Toro 648 which I am familiar with, but would like to have a machine I could do the whole course with. Also considering a deep tine machine with a shallow depth setting for coring. Any feedback would be appreciated.



  2. Melvin Waldron
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    11/20/2013 7:11 AM
    Jonathan Wyrick said: Is there anyone using tractor mounted aerifiers to do normal coring on greens? If so what size and make. I am redoing my lease and looking to get a more efficient and usable machine. I currently have 1JD Aercore and it is not very fast. I have the option to get a Toro 648 which I am familiar with, but would like to have a machine I could do the whole course with. Also considering a deep tine machine with a shallow depth setting for coring. Any feedback would be appreciated.


    Jonathan,

    At my last facility we purchased a John Deere 1500 for the back of our tractor and used it everywhere including greens, (and by everywhere that included athletic fields).

    While greeens were somewhat undulated, but I would call it even undulation (course built in the early 70's), this aerator did a great job for us. Of course we were at the time replacing two old worn out Toro Greens Aerators, not a good machine like the 648, (not that the old Toro's were bad, ours was not maintained or repaired regularly before I arrived).

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  3. Larry Allan
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    11/20/2013 7:11 AM
    We have been using a Tractor mounted Toro 660 on various Kubota tractors for about 15 years. Our greens vary from old pushups to USGA and I have not seen any negative effects whatsoever. We generally use a gear driven Kubota for consistent speed control but have used the hydrostats as well. Any tractor that meets the HP requirements of the aerator will work fine. Just make sure you have wide turf tires without an aggressive tread.
    We do tees and fairways with the same setup



  4. Larry Allan
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    11/20/2013 7:11 AM
    Hey Mel, did you ever figure out what happened to those greens that went south on you this summer? You posted some pictures but I never saw a followup



  5. Melvin Waldron
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    11/20/2013 8:11 AM
    Larry Allan said: Hey Mel, did you ever figure out what happened to those greens that went south on you this summer? You posted some pictures but I never saw a followup


    I can't remember what pictures I posted, but going through my camera roll, I noticed, where the kids tried to cement a patio umbrella into the cup, that seemed to come out of it ok. I had a picture I thought looked like copper spot on the front of one green, then I realized it was burn from the fairway fertilizer app. I did have a couple of pictures of some tip burn where fertilizer didn't get watered in, but they have come out of that. I had a couple of LDS that I've haven't quite figured out. I've had some pictures where someone took their putter or club and beat up around the cups on a couple of greens. I did just take some pictures but I know I haven't posted them of our triplex tracking a little Revolver onto the greens, but I don't remember pictures of greens heading south on me this year.

    I do remember greens being a little bumpy and slow in the spring when we were too wet to verticut and topdress regularly.

    I do remember a couple of years ago some greens struggling midsummer and we went out and solid tined them and they turned around.

    Of course I'm getting older and might not be remembering or conveniently block that out?

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  6. Larry Allan
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    11/20/2013 11:11 AM
    Sorry Mel, it wasn't you but you replied so i got mixed up. Kansas is somewhere near Springfield?

    Help Identify this problem

    Postby Craig Stockhaus » Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:05 pm
    I am having trouble identifying this problem that just appeared on my greens over the weekend. The temps we have had around here in southwest Kansas have been upper 80's lower 90's, with humidity around 40-50%. I think it is either take all patch, or pythium rot dysfunction. Any help would be great.



  7. Melvin Waldron
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    11/20/2013 11:11 AM
    No problem,

    Yes Kansas isn't too far away, maybe an hour and a half.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  8. Britton Lacy
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    11/20/2013 1:11 PM
    I have used both John Deere and Kubota Tractors for my 1500 John Deere on greens for over 4 years now. We have had no problems using them. The John Deere even has lugged tires, we just reduce the air pressure in the tires and have no waviness to the greens. Works good.



  9. Terry Negen
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    11/20/2013 2:11 PM
    I purchased a John Deere Aercore 1500 this season and we did all turf areas with this aerifier. We did the greens at a depth of 4 inches and pulled a 3/4 plug and the machine did great. We are using a John Deere tractor also to mount it to with no problems.

    Terry Negen
    Marshall Golf Club
    Marshall, MN



  10. Timothy Walker
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    11/20/2013 7:11 PM
    John Deere 1500 worked great in comparison to walking the 800 around. Could do 20 greens in 6-7 hours. The 648 is a great machine.

    Current facility contracts it out, used a local super with a 648 did 2 acres in 6-7 hours with a procore 648, this year a contractor with a JD 1500 done in same amount of time.

    I have seen other contract aerfifiers use the JD 2000 with no issues on 100 yr old greens.

    As far as versatility, the 1500 can go anywhere, but so could the 648. Just a bit more labor intensive to walk fairways.



  11. Kyle Fick
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    11/21/2013 9:11 AM
    When I arrived at the course I am currently working, there was a Procore 660 and a 648. We have a Kubota 4610 with extremely wide balloon tires on it. I've used both to aerate greens, fairways, and tees. I would never go back to using the tractor on greens again.

    Reasons:
    1) The width of the tractor and tires was greater than the aeration path of the 660 and to remove cores to have a "clean" surface, an employee had to move the plugs into a center row so they didn't smash down on the passes to the side. If we had the windrowing attachment, maybe would be okay, but we don't.
    2) I think that one must look at his course construction and design before making the decision to go with a tractor vs. a walker. Since moving to the 648 rather than 3 pt 660, I have actually cut out labor and time because of maneuverability. we have some very tight green surrounds, and the tractor was very damaging to maneuver in order to complete the task. Some steeper roll offs, native landscapes, etc., would cause the operator to have to jockey back and forth to line up the units. This usually was a sacrifice to the collars and intermediate cut surrounding the short cut turf. Looked awful for weeks.
    3) Why put the increased hydraulic leak points, grease dripping locations, and fuel consumption on display vs. what I feel is the one of the most efficient machines out there for it's purpose.

    Maybe I'm biased towards the 648, but with the multitude of different tine holder blocks and configurations, It has to be one of the most useful tools in a maintenance shed. I now use the 648 for tees, approaches, short (par 3) fairways, greens and spot aerifications of high traffics. during the stressful summer season, it is running around venting greens quite often. My 660 has become obsolete to a degree. With it only being 12" wider, and tying up another machine, I just don't use it. As for aerating fairways and roughs. It was horribly slow, and I've gone the way of the Aerway with that. Not as versatile, but light years faster.

    Probably not of any help, but them are my thoughts.



  12. James Smith
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    11/21/2013 9:11 AM
    I purchased a demo soil reliever from KV Esteves after he sold out his business to Toro and it is basically a 48" soil reliever that can deep tine mounted on a small Massey Fergusin tractor. It does a great job and I can get all 21 greens done in about 10 hrs. the only negative is that since it is a soil reliever the tines are about 2" apart so you are limited to how many holes you can punch in your greens. I love the machine and what it does though.



  13. Steven Huffstutler
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    11/21/2013 3:11 PM
    I use a Toro 660 mounted on a JD 3230 and have been using it for about 6 or 7 years. 20 greens aerated and top dressed in one 8 hour shift.

    Regards,

    Steve



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