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  1. McDonagh Patrick
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    2/25/2013 7:02 AM
    With the high cost of equipment replacement and the current economy my Assistant and I were wondering if any facilities have gone back to mowing their fairways with pull behind gang mowers?



  2. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    2/25/2013 7:02 AM
    We haven't but I've thought about pulling the gangs out to mow rough.....I'm the loner though in our system.

    Partly to get HOC under 3" and make playing out of our rough a little easier on the old guys.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  3. Andy Jorgensen
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    2/25/2013 8:02 AM
    Not for fairways, but we mow all rough with 5-gang Toro Spartans and Reelmasters. Trimmed with a Sidewinder. Two of the units are over 20 years old. Nothing to 'em and just as efficient in my opinion as the powered units for much less cost.

    [img">http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r143/andyjorg/Ramiro5gangJPG_zps9a734b7f.jpg[/img">



  4. DeMay Ryan
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    2/25/2013 9:02 AM
    Patrick McDonagh said: With the high cost of equipment replacement and the current economy my Assistant and I were wondering if any facilities have gone back to mowing their fairways with pull behind gang mowers?


    Patrick,

    I know Don Mahaffey was doing this at Wolf Point in south Texas as of a few years ago. He has since moved on into the construction side of the business and I don't know if he still reads or posts here. I do remember him saying that they had excellent results with gangs on bermuda in sandy soils.

    It would be interesting to see an equipment manufacturer (big or small) try to develop a gang mower using some newer materials and technology to solve some of the issues (weight, turn radius) they are known to have. Most courses have a tractor or two to run these mowers and many could justify purchasing another one that would last 20 years to run a gang mower that would last equally as long. With the way that most captial budgets are heading, it could be the wave of the future.



  5. Andy Jorgensen
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    2/25/2013 9:02 AM
    Ryan DeMay said: With the way that most captial budgets are heading, it could be the wave of the future.



    Part of the reason why the manufacturers are adding wider width mowers to their lineup for fairways, and wider lightweight mowers to their lineup for tees, collars and approaches. Also allowing the addition of two outside reels to their fairway mowers to accommodate 7 reels. For instance, the Toro 7000 that has a whopping 10' cut width.



  6. Wahlin Scott B
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    2/25/2013 2:02 PM
    We use pull gangs for roughs and fairways. We have two 5-gangs for the rough, one we bought used and rebuilt it. We have a 7-gang with 11-blade reels for the fairways. We can be completely mowed out in two days.



  7. Andy Scott
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    2/25/2013 6:02 PM
    I use a 7 gang on fairways here. Only downside is you have 1 mowing pattern, old school half and half fairways, which I like a lot. We have 40 Ac of fairway and can mow in 3- 3.5 hours



  8. McDonagh Patrick
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    2/25/2013 7:02 PM
    Ryan
    We were thinking exactly the same thing that with today's technology someone could manufacture a gang unit that would address some of the negative issues associated with the old school gang mower. It sure would be nice to send one operator out to cut our fairways.



  9. Wahlin Scott B
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    2/25/2013 8:02 PM
    We do 60-70,000 rounds per year in South Florida. I never get any negative comments about fairways. They are well defined. The pros can pick them off on long shots and find the lies tight enough on short shots to throw "darts" at the pins. The high handicappers do not complain about tight lies. It has been years since I got a complaint about roughs being too punitive. We have T-419 Roughs and the ball can sit down in there if you are not careful.

    I have employees who ride those tractors for the most part 40 hours per week. That is hell-on-earth particularly during the dog-days of summer. I cannot do it anymore and I have employees older than me who can. You have to let them get off and walk around during the day. Buy their means of hydration, attach it to their tractor and make it easy to use. You gotta wear that seatbelt, what happens of you get hit in the head with a ball. All of the sharp cutting stuff is behind you.

    I graduated from Lake City (Florida Gateway College) in 1983. I completed my GC Equipment Mechanic's Certification in 1981. My project was a Jacobsen 7-Gang F-10 that sat in a dump for seven years. My challenge was to refurbish this piece of equipment in eight weeks. My first job was to use a chainsaw to remove Brazilian Pepper that had grown up through every open spot. After 8 weeks the unit was fully functional (all new bearings, bushings, bedknives, the original reels had plenty of meat), freshly painted, had all new decals, everything worked, all reels were set at 1.5" and cut one and crimped on on folded newspaper.

    These reel units are bulletproof and can be rebuilt forever.



  10. Chad Shafer
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    2/25/2013 10:02 PM
    I agree with Scott. These reels can be rebuilt forever. We used to have the Jacobsen Blitzer units and they were great. The only draw back that I saw was you have to have a guy that is really good at adjusting them so they stay sharp and if that person was not good at adjusting them they tended to get cone shaped on on side or the other. The Blitzer units are better than the Toro spartan units because the Spartan unit had a bar that went across the top and the grass did not discharge as well and the grass would clump up, especially when the turf had a lot of dew on it. I found it harder to to work on the Toro units verses the Jacobsen units. We used to sharpen the units with a Foley 388 grinder that took a long time. I wish I would have had the grinder I have today (4000DX Bernhard) to sharpen those big units.



  11. James Moore_2
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    1 posts
    2/26/2013 1:02 PM
    You will notice a great fuel saving. 3 times to rotor mower. been using 7 gang reels for 30 years on open rough and rotor around greens and trees.



  12. DeMay Ryan
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    2/27/2013 6:02 AM
    Andy Jorgensen said:
    Ryan DeMay said: With the way that most captial budgets are heading, it could be the wave of the future.



    Part of the reason why the manufacturers are adding wider width mowers to their lineup for fairways, and wider lightweight mowers to their lineup for tees, collars and approaches. Also allowing the addition of two outside reels to their fairway mowers to accommodate 7 reels. For instance, the Toro 7000 that has a whopping 10' cut width.


    No doubt that the efficiency/do more with less mantra has struck accord with the larger equipment manufacturers. All things being equal, $60k is easier to stomach for a new tractor and a gang unit than for a dedicated fairway unit. In my mind it would be an easy argument for the tractor/gang mower combo, for many courses when the versatility, life expectancy, and cost of ownership of is taken into account.

    Dedicated units will always have their place but, it would interesting to see a newly developed gang mower that produces similar results compete in the marketplace.



  13. David Brandenburg
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    2/27/2013 9:02 AM
    We have a 7 gang Jacobsen/Worthington blitzer we use for the driving range and in late fall to mow our rough shorter. It cuts great for that purpose but I remember plenty of days when the grass has ample moisture you would mow it at 2 to 2.5" at noon and it would look great but by noon the next day it looked horrible because all you did was roll most of the grass over or the tractor wheel tracks would stand up and you could lose a junior leaguer in there.

    On blue/rye/fescue rough in Wisconsin the quality is just not there at medium heights of cut.



  14. Clay Putnam
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    7/10/2013 3:07 PM
    I'm going old school and looking for fairway gang mowers. Anyone still using them? Anyone have a lead on a supplier? Looking for something to get down to .5", preferably 7 to 9 gang unit with 8 bladed reels. Maybe you Canadians & UK guys can give some insight. Seems most of my search had me up north or in the UK.



  15. Jack Stephens
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    7/10/2013 4:07 PM
    Going old school, word! I used to love mowing fairways with an old 7 gang and the look of the half and half "farm cut". Would clean up with a tri-plex occasionally to keep decent definition.

    I pretty sure they are available here in Florida from Wesco Turf.
    http://www.toro.com/grounds/mower/widea ... ersal.html

    Brad Stephens
    Assistant Superintendent
    King ans Bear- World Golf Village Resort



  16. Timothy Walker
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    7/10/2013 6:07 PM
    Does r&r still distribute them?



  17. Andy Jorgensen
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    1 posts
    7/10/2013 8:07 PM
    Jack Stephens said: Going old school, word! I used to love mowing fairways with an old 7 gang and the look of the half and half "farm cut". Would clean up with a tri-plex occasionally to keep decent definition.

    I pretty sure they are available here in Florida from Wesco Turf.
    http://www.toro.com/grounds/mower/widea ... ersal.html

    Brad Stephens
    Assistant Superintendent
    King ans Bear- World Golf Village Resort



    We run five of these in our roughs. A couple are going on 15 years. We get most of our parts through Toro and R&R. You'll have no problem going to 1/2".



  18. Andrew Cross
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    5 posts
    7/10/2013 9:07 PM
    We've got something at our shop, I believe its 7 gang but not sure how low it can be set. Shoot me an email and I'll pass it on to my super and mechanic.

    across@wheatonparks.org



  19. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    7/11/2013 10:07 AM
    We have some blizter units I would love to mow some rough with, would allow us to mow a little lower making it easier for our golfers.

    We had a set of Toro reels on a pull behind unit, (looked like a Park Master from behind the seat back), we had 11 bladed reels on it and it cut sweet. This was in Florida many years ago. The Park Master it replaced we used for tee banks and bermuda rough, (making the fairways a little smaller) we had bahia rough in areas without irrigation.

    I grew up on the course and wanted to work on it so I could mow fairways with the Park Master, it was my favorite machine. Now look what that got me?

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  20. Michael Hendricks
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    7/12/2013 7:07 AM
    We run 11 blade gangs. Mow 25 acres in 5 hours and at times I have had them at .50. We are currently mowing at .67. With older units getting all the reels at the same height can be tough. We will be buying a new one once this one goes down. R&R Products does sell one, it is the old Jacobsen model. Toro does still sell there too.



  21. James Moore_2
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    1 posts
    8/7/2013 12:08 PM
    Been using pull type gangs for over 30 years in the rough .We cut with 7 gang and with a quik change make a 5 gang just in case 1 is broke .We cut the rough 1.5 in and cut open areas . We save 20 liter of fuel {millions of US gal} compare to a rotor. Purchase a new one from R&R 5 years ago. Not as soild as the old models from jac or toro. But I dont think they make them any more? Not to many of us use 7 gangs here in Canada on golf courses any more Old school YES. IT WORKS!!



  22. Peter Bowman
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    11 posts
    8/7/2013 9:08 PM
    James Moore said: Been using pull type gangs for over 30 years in the rough .We cut with 7 gang and with a quik change make a 5 gang just in case 1 is broke .We cut the rough 1.5 in and cut open areas . We save 20 liter of fuel {millions of US gal} compare to a rotor. Purchase a new one from R&R 5 years ago. Not as soild as the old models from jac or toro. But I dont think they make them any more? Not to many of us use 7 gangs here in Canada on golf courses any more Old school YES. IT WORKS!!


    How can you save millions of US gallons? You must have had a big fleet of gas guzzlers.



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