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Brainstorming winter greens in the south!

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  1. James Smith
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    12/16/2017 6:12 AM
    I am hoping someone has an answer or between all of us we can come up with one!

    I am open to any thoughts or suggestions!

    Here's the issue,

    I have TifEagle greens in South Louisiana (at the end of I-55 outside of New Orleans)

    This time of the year I go about 80% dormant (we do not overseed).

    Depending on the temperature, wind and humidity I can have two main issues to deal with, first is the dew and the second is very small worm castings on warmer days (not unusual to see temps in the 60's).

    Currently we use our greensmower to roll the greens and we whip behind it. we whip because the castings tend to clump up. we just use transport gear to get across the greens without the reels coming on.

    I have a small crew and only use two guys on the weekends (but I hope a solution can work for all days)

    Our goal.

    To clean the greens off in less time without having to stripe the greens with the mower and possibly whip (currently takes 3.5 hours).

    I have been trying to think of a different way. what do any of you do if you have a different routine?

    I have thought of a drag but funds are low and it would require two guys to make a single pass with say a water hose. A smaller one may work if I can use a cart carry it around.

    just whipping is not an option as it would require even more man hours to do all 21 greens.
    using the water system is not an option as the greens stay wet enough most of the time.
    Using a greens roller requires about 4-5 hours here so that option is out.

    Anything you can come up with may help more than just myself (other courses). if you have the time to brainstorm on it or even run it across your assistants, equipment tech's so they may also consider it, I would be very thankful.

    Think of it as a fast way of cleaning the green tops with the least amount of wear and tear on equipment or manpower which I figure is about 315hrs per winter at the moment. even reducing it by 1/3 can be helpful.



  2. Justin Lonon
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    12/16/2017 8:12 AM
    What about spraying your greens with Arena at 12oz/A and you shouldn't have to worry about the worm casting for a couple of months.



  3. Samuel Wood
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    12/17/2017 7:12 AM
    I agree with Justin on the Arena. Works great.



  4. Anthony Nysse
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    12/18/2017 4:12 AM
    Justin Lonon said: What about spraying your greens with Arena at 12oz/A and you shouldn't have to worry about the worm casting for a couple of months.


    Bingo. 4 months control.



  5. Cecil Daniel
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    12/19/2017 9:12 AM
    I also agree with arena. You can also spray thiophanate methyl (clearys 3336). It breakes down into a chemical that is toxic to worms. It's a good chemical to rotate if you notice that arena doesnt control the worms. It is also a good broad spectrum fungicide. Carbaryl (sevin) will also get worms, use the grub rate. A penetrating wetting agent will suppress dew for a few days, maybe a week. It will also keep the greens from holding water. I use lesco flo ultra.



  6. James Smith
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    12/26/2017 7:12 AM
    I do use arena also but we also have to remove the dew from the greens in the mornings when it's there also.



  7. Michael Wagner
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    12/26/2017 7:12 AM
    Do you have a turbine blower? If you do you could blow the dew off with that. Can clean off almost all the dew from my greens without driving on the green from the side and I can do it in about an hour and a half. It won't do much for worm castings though without driving on the green. I'm sure you could come up with a green safe form of mobility for the blower by attaching it to an old triplex or something. Just a thought.



  8. Andy Jorgensen
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    12/26/2017 9:12 AM
    Look into a broom for a Har-Tru tennis court. They're about 6-7 feet wide and have soft bristles so they don't brush the turf while you are doing it. One guy can do this fairly quickly.



  9. Anthony Nysse
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    12/26/2017 11:12 AM
    Andy Jorgensen said: Look into a broom for a Har-Tru tennis court. They're about 6-7 feet wide and have soft bristles so they don't brush the turf while you are doing it. One guy can do this fairly quickly.



    Was thinking the same thing.



  10. James Smith
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    112 posts
    12/27/2017 5:12 AM
    Andy Jorgensen said: Look into a broom for a Har-Tru tennis court. They're about 6-7 feet wide and have soft bristles so they don't brush the turf while you are doing it. One guy can do this fairly quickly.

    Not a bad idea at all Andy! Thanks



  11. Anthony Tirillo
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    4/17/2018 12:04 PM
    I know this may sound crazy .. an upside down driving range mat works like you wouldn't believe...I like it after aerification .ill use a brush the first time to drag in sand then after that the mat... works great on worm castings as well.. it has enough weight and is perfect size... :D



  12. Kenneth Ingram
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    4/18/2018 6:04 AM
    Arena, Wetting Agent, and put rollers on that triplex in transport. Kenneth Ingram, UMD



  13. Wade Borthwick
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    4/18/2018 10:04 PM
    I have seen a leaded line used (rope with lead core) and a dock line (1-1/2" => 2" Dia). Both work well, the lead line was used between two carts, while the dock line is used behind one cart and driven around the perimeter of the green it closes the circle and clears the dew, then just dragged behind cart to the next green.



  14. James Smith
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    112 posts
    4/21/2018 6:04 AM
    some very good ideas guys. keep them coming.

    one thing to think about is I am trying to keep weight off the green as much as possible to cut down on winter compaction or tire tracks. I have used roller triplexes in the past and always hated the fact that the wheels are behind the rollers which make a small track on damp greens.

    I do use chemicals to help out but they are not 100% effective especially when we start getting 50-70 degree temps. theres no issues when we get a cold front and dry air though.



  15. John Boyce
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    5/4/2018 10:05 AM
    Have you tried spraying DewCure? If your not mowing it off I would think it would last....



  16. Jeremy Castle
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    6/2/2018 6:06 PM
    Triple Crown insecticide by FMC. really cheap. last app I sprayed was in September and I am now just starting to see worm castings. A $300 dollar bottle goes a little more than 3 acres.



  17. James Smith
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    112 posts
    6/6/2018 1:06 PM
    Jeremy M Castle said: Triple Crown insecticide by FMC. really cheap. last app I sprayed was in September and I am now just starting to see worm castings. A $300 dollar bottle goes a little more than 3 acres.

    what rate are you using?



  18. Roland McPhearson
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    6/7/2018 7:06 AM
    Do you have scrapers on the rollers of your triplex?



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