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Tractors - Hydrostatic or gears?

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  1. Melvin Waldron
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    8/21/2013 11:08 AM
    Hi all,

    I know we have discussed tractors before, but we are going to be able to purchase one finally and would like some opinions if I could.

    The main things this tractor would be used for in this order: Running a deep tine machine, leveling - rebuilding tee tops, loading topdressing sand, fertilizing, running a seeder, and pulling a rotary mowing unit in the spring time or when the self contained unit is in for repairs and service. We are looking at about a 40 hp tractor with at least 36 hp PTO. I have noticed hydrostatic models have a little less PTO horse power. Is this enough horse power? I know buy as much horse power as we can afford, or even more horse power then we might need.

    I know with a loader and the construction work a hydrostatic would be more versitale, but with the shuttle shift from forward to reverse that most tractors have now, I don't see that as a deal breaker like with our old John Deere 1250 which has the reverse gear on the floor with the 3 forward speeds, (and the other low, middle, high gear lever next to it). I also think the hydrostatic can give us a more variable speed with the deep tine, but being anal about things, that could be variable spacing during one pass to the next, (especially if I'm running it), where when I could put it in low range, gear 1 on most tractors is at about 1.1 mph and get consistant spacing.

    Would appriciate everyone's thoughts if you don't mind sharing.

    Thanks!

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  2. Andy Jorgensen
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    1 posts
    8/21/2013 6:08 PM
    Hydrostats are much easier to drive, but more expensive to repair. But, don't break down very often.

    On the other hand, a traditional clutch can go out very quick with a poor operator, but is a fairly cheap fix.

    I have been getting the L Grand series, HST tractors from Kubota the last few years. Any idiot can drive them. We paid about $21k for an L3940 (39 hp) roughly five years ago. My last two were the L5740 (57 hp) bought last year and four years ago. They were roughly $27k each. The are all sweet. We use them for everything you mention, and then some. We use the 3940 to aerify and i was running it this morning actually at 1.1 mph using the speed control. Set the lever, sit back and just steer the wheel.



  3. Wahlin Scott B
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    8/21/2013 9:08 PM
    I bought three L Series Kubota Tractors and was very happy with them.



  4. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    8/22/2013 9:08 AM
    Andy Jorgensen said: Hydrostats are much easier to drive, but more expensive to repair. But, don't break down very often.

    On the other hand, a traditional clutch can go out very quick with a poor operator, but is a fairly cheap fix.

    I have been getting the L Grand series, HST tractors from Kubota the last few years. Any idiot can drive them. We paid about $21k for an L3940 (39 hp) roughly five years ago. My last two were the L5740 (57 hp) bought last year and four years ago. They were roughly $27k each. The are all sweet. We use them for everything you mention, and then some. We use the 3940 to aerify and i was running it this morning actually at 1.1 mph using the speed control. Set the lever, sit back and just steer the wheel.


    So I can drive them? Actually we will use and borrow one of our other courses Kubota 4310 with hydrostatic and I have used the cruise control when running the deep tine, but when I set it for one pass, it might be different than when I set it for a second pass, maybe I'm using it wrong? (or maybe not any idiot can drive it?) Or they have changed how the speed control works, their tractor is 10 years old, I do release the cruise control when I go to make a turn for the next pass and don't always get it set at the same spot.

    I did see on the brocure that the L4600 only slows down to 1.4 mph in 1st gear.

    Anyone know about L4400's or L4240's? I saw those models on the GSA contract but can not find any information on the Kubota website, even among old discontinued models.....could these be "gray" models from and for other countries?

    Thanks! Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  5. Matt Falvo
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    8/22/2013 9:08 AM
    Here are a few links with some info on those tractors.

    http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractor ... l4240.html

    http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractor ... l4400.html

    Hope it helps your decision.


    Bret Hart
    Equipment Manager
    Turning Stone Resort



  6. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    8/22/2013 10:08 AM
    Thanks Bret, very helpful info.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  7. Holt Michael
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    8/22/2013 1:08 PM
    I recently bought a JD 5065E 4wd with loader. It has the syncshuttle transmission with A/B/C range on the left side of the seat and the (R in and up, 2nd in and down, 3rd out and down and 1st out and up) lever on the right side. Forward and reverse speed is pretty constant when using the loader. No more going from fast load to slow reversing because of the gear ratio. Awesome tractor, great power, 2600 lb lift capacity on the bucket. Just all around great tractor for the $$$. My only complaint is why JD put the rev/fwd lever on the right as opposed to the left side. The bucket controls are on the right and the "gear shift" is also, so you cant control the bucket and reverse direction at the same time because most people only have one right hand. Other than that I love the tractor. The hydros, to me, don't hold a constant speed when running an aerator.



  8. Andy Jorgensen
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    1 posts
    8/22/2013 3:08 PM
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:

    So I can drive them? Actually we will use and borrow one of our other courses Kubota 4310 with hydrostatic and I have used the cruise control when running the deep tine, but when I set it for one pass, it might be different than when I set it for a second pass, maybe I'm using it wrong? (or maybe not any idiot can drive it?) Or they have changed how the speed control works, their tractor is 10 years old, I do release the cruise control when I go to make a turn for the next pass and don't always get it set at the same spot.

    I did see on the brocure that the L4600 only slows down to 1.4 mph in 1st gear.


    Thanks! Mel


    I guess the L40 series, which is what I've been buying, has been upgraded to the L60 series due to tier IV regulations. Same tractor, new engine.

    The HST model on these tractors is a true hydrostat - infinite speed from zero up to roughly 18 mph. No shifting, no clutch. Just depress the peddle.

    The speed control on ours is a lever. Move it forward to your desired speed. I use it while aerifying all the time. Set it before you start your pass, aerify, then use the pedal to turn around, set the lever again. It's pretty easy, and nice on long runs. Short runs I just use the pedal.

    Now that I think about it, I've had this conversation before with municipality Superintendent's. From what I remember, no Kubota does not offer GSA pricing. But, from what I can remember, their everyday pricing was still cheaper than the competition. I may be wrong though. I can tell you that last time I priced two different models, the more expensive one would have had to provide a very large GSA discount to match Kubota. Not knowing what that is, I'd say you have to contact a dealer to find out for sure.

    We have about 23 tractors here amongst our operations. My opinion is the larger model and older model Deeres are the best around. But for my operation in the 35-55 hp range, the Kubotas are the best. Plus, with a tremendous difference in price, I was even more satisfied with my purchases.



  9. Steve Nelson
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    8/23/2013 9:08 AM
    Here at the muni we have all Deere's going back decades. Their gov't pricing blows everyone else away. Looking at a heavier tractor right now, got qouted on a 5085M at 36K and change pretax. Agree with Michael that deere tends to put too many controls on the right side. The only thing close to a lemon we've gotten from them was a 5225. Has a chronic problem with the oil cooler going out and dumping oil into cooling system. Easy enough to replace the part but whole block has got to be flushed clean and that is a pain. Tractors get a lot of use here, pulling progressive 120's to mow kikuyu rough and a toro 7 gang for fwys. Seems like they never get rest. Generally been very happy with Deere.

    Nothing wrong with Kubota though- I've got a little mid 80's kubota hst with loader and box grader at home and it still runs like a champ.



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