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  1. Sandy Clark
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    3/13/2013 4:03 PM
    76 years old from Argentina. Interesting pick. I wonder how long he will survive the rigors of his new position. I read he has only one lung. My prayers are with him but I fear as long as the Catholic Church keeps picking older frail leaders, not much will change. I thought Cardinal Dolan would have been a great selection due to his age and leadership skills. Obviously it was unanimous so the Cardinals probably know more than a lay person simply observing.



  2. Steven Huffstutler
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    3/13/2013 7:03 PM
    My resume must have gotten lost in the mail......



  3. Peter Bowman
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    3/13/2013 8:03 PM
    This just in from the news wires.......

    Black smoke was seen billowing from the White House chimney. And still no budget.



  4. Melvin Waldron
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    3/13/2013 8:03 PM
    For Pete, I guess I have to check with my congressman to see if he can get me a tour of the Vatican? Sorry for the hijacking....


    ......A First? President Obama Gets Standing Ovations From House Republicans
    By Jonathan Karl | ABC OTUS News – 2 hrs 39 mins ago....

    .....
    Talk about white smoke: I am told, by Republican sources, that President Obama got standing ovations at the beginning and end of his meeting today with House Republicans on Capitol Hill - his first such meeting in four years.

    There were tough questions and no breakthroughs, but a source inside the closed-door meeting called it "very cordial" and told me that virtually every House Republican who stood up to ask a question began by saying, "Thank you for coming" and "You are welcome here anytime." Some added, "We need to work together."

    The biggest laugh line: The president informed the group that there was white smoke at the Vatican, and Rep. Billy Long of Missouri yelled out, "Does that mean the White House is open for tours?" Obama responded: "No, but the Vatican is."

    This was Obama's first visit to Capitol Hill to meet with House Republicans in four years. He has met with them a total of four times, the most recent being at the White House 2011.

    The president's message was straightforward and unsurprising. He began the meeting by saying he wanted to get things done on the budget and taxes, immigration and guns. On entitlement reform, he made it clear he was willing to push Democrats to make tough cuts but only if Republicans agreed to higher tax revenues. He also mentioned the strong bi-partisan commitment to Israel, which he will visit next week.

    He was asked about eight questions, including these:

    Rep. James Lankford of Oklahoma accused Obama of being too focused on defeating Republicans and asked, "Can we agree that we need to get to a balanced budget in 10 years?" The president responded by saying that domestic spending had already been cut deeply, and that balancing the budget too quickly would hurt the economy.

    Rep. Candace Miller of Michigan asked about the cancellation of White House tours. The president said it was a Secret Service decision.

    Rep. Steve Scalise of Louisiana asked about offshore oil drilling and the Keystone pipeline. The president said there were broad areas of agreement on energy, but that it was important to have a broader energy policy beyond fossil fuels. He said a decision on the Keystone pipeline would be coming "soon."

    Rep. Dave Camp of Michigan, the chairman of the tax-writing Ways and Means Committee, asked if Obama and Republicans agreed on some entitlement reforms (specifically, means-testing for Medicare and reducing annual cost-of-living increases for Social Security), why couldn't those things be done now? The president said he would agree to those reforms only if Republicans agreed to raise tax revenues by closing loopholes, because we have to ask "everybody to sacrifice."

    Rep. Peter Roskam of Illinois, who served with Obama in the Illinois state legislature, brought up the fiscal mess in Illinois and said Republicans were worried that Obama's policies would cause the same thing to happen here. Obama said the budget mess in Illinois was a bipartisan mess.

    Rep. Tom Price of Georgia brought up the lack of trust between Republicans and the White House, and said the delay on the White House budget seemed politically motivated. Obama insisted the delay was not political: "I am done with campaigns," he said. "I am not running for re-election." The president hit that theme several times during the meeting.

    Several of the questioners brought up the lack of trust and pointed to the fact that the president would be meeting tonight on behalf of his grassroots group Organizing for Action, raising money, as Roskam put it, "to thin our herd."

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  5. Peter Bowman
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    3/13/2013 10:03 PM
    I was never a devout Catholic. Couldn't name a single Pope since as long as I can remember, even though I went to Catholic schools through 12th grade. What they decided in Rome never seemed to make any difference....as a kid, I still had to go to church on Sunday and eat fish on Friday.

    If the new guy would have taken the name "Pope Bill", or "Pope Fred", or even "Pope Wally" I might get interested again.



  6. Steve Nelson
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    3/14/2013 7:03 AM
    Maybe picking him was the Cardinals way of saying "we should have picked this guy back in 05." Other than age he seems like a good choice. I like that he lived in a small apartment instead of the Cardinals palace. Had no idea until yesterday that there had never been a Jesuit Pope before him. That, and his choice of name are kind of interesting.



  7. Larry Allan
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    3/14/2013 7:03 AM
    Does the Pope have to go to confession? If he is considered infallible, what would he have to confess? If the bible states "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me".John 14:6", why then does the Catholic church force the flock to confess their sins to a priest..."a representative of god" This appears to go against the bibles teachings.
    Why do Catholics pray to a statue of Mary? Again the bible speaks about worshiping false idols and that the only way to the father is through the son. Mary was apparently a regular human impregnated without the human touch. She had no idea she was anything special, and the bible states she was not.

    If you are going to believe the bible to be the word of God, then shouldn't the "Word" be followed. Catholicism is anything but a bible based religion. It is a ritual, made up by men, for their own benefit, lording over the masses who were illiterate, or preferred to hear a story read to them with a spin.

    My vote , were I a Cardinal would have been for Pope Steve the H



  8. Keith Lamb
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    3/14/2013 7:03 AM
    Larry Allan said: Does the Pope have to go to confession? If he is considered infallible, what would he have to confess? If the bible states "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me".John 14:6", why then does the Catholic church force the flock to confess their sins to a priest..."a representative of god" This appears to go against the bibles teachings.
    Why do Catholics pray to a statue of Mary? Again the bible speaks about worshiping false idols and that the only way to the father is through the son. Mary was apparently a regular human impregnated without the human touch. She had no idea she was anything special, and the bible states she was not.

    If you are going to believe the bible to be the word of God, then shouldn't the "Word" be followed. Catholicism is anything but a bible based religion. It is a ritual, made up by men, for their own benefit, lording over the masses who were illiterate, or preferred to hear a story read to them with a spin.

    My vote , were I a Cardinal would have been for Pope Steve the H


    Faith is devoid of reason. Reasoning would have made Huff the logical choice.



  9. Brian Nettz
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    3/14/2013 8:03 AM
    1. I predict Argentina will now win the next World Cup with another "hand of God" scenario.

    2. Any coincidence between the election of the new Pope and the discovery of the long-sought Higgs-Boson, or God particle?



  10. Sean Hoolehan
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    3/14/2013 9:03 AM
    Larry Allan said: Does the Pope have to go to confession? If he is considered infallible, what would he have to confess? If the bible states "I am the way, the truth, and the life. Infallibility only pertains to official doctrine or encyclicals, you betcha the Pope has a confessor. Jesus said I am the Way , the Truth, and the Life, not Peter. [/color] No one comes to the Father except through me" .John 14:6", why then does the Catholic church force the flock to confess their sins to a priest..."a representative of god" This appears to go against the bibles teachings. No one is forced but you should be in a state of grace to receive the Eucharist, and the Sacrament of Reconciliation is a way of maintaining that grace. A good Act of Contrition is also a excellent way to cleanse your soul in times of trouble I have said one during air turbulence on planes many times.
    Why do Catholics pray to a statue of Mary? We don't Again the bible speaks about worshiping false idols and that the only way to the father is through the son. Mary was apparently a regular human impregnated without the human touch. She had no idea she was anything special, and the bible states she was not.
    Luke 1:26-34 Announcement of the Birth of Jesus.*
    26
    In the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a town of Galilee called Nazareth,
    27
    to a virgin betrothed to a man named Joseph, of the house of David, and the virgin's name was Mary.l
    28
    And coming to her, he said, "Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you."m
    29
    But she was greatly troubled at what was said and pondered what sort of greeting this might be.
    30
    Then the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God.
    31
    n Behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name him Jesus.
    32
    o He will be great and will be called Son of the Most High,* and the Lord God will give him the throne of David his father,
    33
    and he will rule over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end."p
    34
    But Mary said to the angel, "How can this be, since I have no relations with a man?"*
    35
    And the angel said to her in reply, "The holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.
    http://www.usccb.org/bible/luke/1

    If you are going to believe the bible to be the word of God, then shouldn't the "Word" be followed. Catholicism is anything but a bible based religion. It is a ritual, made up by men, for their own benefit, lording over the masses who were illiterate, or preferred to hear a story read to them with a spin. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but in fact The Universal Church is based on the Traditions of the Church Fathers who wrote the Bible.

    My vote , were I a Cardinal would have been for Pope Steve the H


    Actually Larry I have believed you would have made a excellent Jesuit because you do like to look for the reason behind the action. A excellent place to explore Catholic theology is http://www.catholic.com they have forums dedicated for all types of questions including yours.
    Sean



  11. Steve Nelson
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    3/14/2013 10:03 AM
    'Hail Mary, full of grace.
    Our Lord is with thee.
    Blessed art thou among women,
    and blessed is the fruit of thy womb,
    Jesus.
    Holy Mary, Mother of God,
    pray for us sinners,
    now and at the hour of our death.
    Amen.'

    Red is right on this one I think. It's kind of hard to say we don't pray to Mary. I think I said the Hail Mary about 150 times at the Rosary before my Dad's funeral not too long ago. There's also no shortage of Madonna iconagraphy in church or at home. Whether or not it is acceptable per the Bible I think he's wrong since most of this prayer comes directly from one of the gospels.



  12. Sean Hoolehan
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    3/14/2013 11:03 AM
    Steve Nelson, CGCS said: 'Hail Mary, full of grace.
    Our Lord is with thee.
    Blessed art thou among women,
    and blessed is the fruit of thy womb,
    Jesus. We acknowledge Mary's special relationship to God as is clear in the Bible.
    Holy Mary, Mother of God,
    pray for us sinners,
    now and at the hour of our death.
    Amen.' We ask St. Mary to Pray for us. This is where non Catholics and poorly catechized Catholics get hung up on the difference between "pray to" and "pray for intersession" (asking the saints to pray for us). Saints and Mrtyr's are our human examples and serve as help through prayer and example. As Catholics we believe Saints in Heaven do pray for us, remembering that ultimately its not what happens to us in this life but how we handle it that leads to the next. We learned this from the Church Fathers who learned this directly from the Apostles of Christ. This is our Tradition and yes it is where we often find division with our Christian brothers and sisters of other denominations. A common misconception of Catholicism is that we believe you must be Catholic to go to heaven. We believe heaven has a place for for Red and Steve H (both fine men) but we leave that up to God.

    Red is right on this one I think. It's kind of hard to say we don't pray to Mary. I think I said the Hail Mary about 150 times at the Rosary before my Dad's funeral not too long ago. There's also no shortage of Madonna iconagraphy in church or at home. Yes the Church has many visible icons but we do not worship these we draw strength, and encouragement from them. Whether or not it is acceptable per the Bible I think he's wrong since most of this prayer comes directly from one of the gospels.



  13. Larry Allan
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    3/14/2013 1:03 PM
    Sean Hoolehan, CGCS said:
    Larry Allan said: Does the Pope have to go to confession? If he is considered infallible, what would he have to confess? If the bible states "I am the way, the truth, and the life. Infallibility only pertains to official doctrine or encyclicals, you betcha the Pope has a confessor. Jesus said I am the Way , the Truth, and the Life, not Peter. [/color] No one comes to the Father except through me" .John 14:6", why then does the Catholic church force the flock to confess their sins to a priest..."a representative of god" This appears to go against the bibles teachings. No one is forced but you should be in a state of grace to receive the Eucharist, and the Sacrament of Reconciliation is a way of maintaining that grace. A good Act of Contrition is also a excellent way to cleanse your soul in times of trouble I have said one during air turbulence on planes many times.
    Why do Catholics pray to a statue of Mary? We don't Again the bible speaks about worshiping false idols and that the only way to the father is through the son. Mary was apparently a regular human impregnated without the human touch. She had no idea she was anything special, and the bible states she was not.
    Luke 1:26-34 Announcement of the Birth of Jesus.*
    26
    In the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a town of Galilee called Nazareth,
    27
    to a virgin betrothed to a man named Joseph, of the house of David, and the virgin's name was Mary.l
    28
    And coming to her, he said, "Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you."m
    29
    But she was greatly troubled at what was said and pondered what sort of greeting this might be.
    30
    Then the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God.
    31
    n Behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name him Jesus.
    32
    o He will be great and will be called Son of the Most High,* and the Lord God will give him the throne of David his father,
    33
    and he will rule over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end."p
    34
    But Mary said to the angel, "How can this be, since I have no relations with a man?"*
    35
    And the angel said to her in reply, "The holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.
    http://www.usccb.org/bible/luke/1

    If you are going to believe the bible to be the word of God, then shouldn't the "Word" be followed. Catholicism is anything but a bible based religion. It is a ritual, made up by men, for their own benefit, lording over the masses who were illiterate, or preferred to hear a story read to them with a spin. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but in fact The Universal Church is based on the Traditions of the Church Fathers who wrote the Bible.

    My vote , were I a Cardinal would have been for Pope Steve the H


    Actually Larry I have believed you would have made a excellent Jesuit because you do like to look for the reason behind the action. A excellent place to explore Catholic theology is http://www.catholic.com they have forums dedicated for all types of questions including yours.
    Sean

    Im a little confused Sean. You replied Jesus not Peter stated John 14:6. I agree fully but I'm not sure how Peter came into that as I never mentioned it coming from Peter.
    As you are well aware, I am not remotely a religious man. I was raised in the Baptist church and sent out as a young man to convince Catholics like yourself, that you are going to hell. It wasn't a proud moment in my life but based on literally interpreting the bible, it is true (if that makes any sense) I've long since forgotten every verse that I could turn to, in order to show Catholics they were going to hell, but I will tell you that most were shocked to see the actual scripture. It seemed what they were taught in the church was different than what the bible clearly states. I now have to carry the burden of having converted many a Catholic to a religion that I find equally as silly.
    I give Evangelicals a pat on the shoulder for the fact that they treat the bible as a literal book to be followed to the letter, while many other religions pick and choose.
    John 3:16 and John 4:16 states all you need to know about Christianity and all you need to do to go to heaven. Everything else in any church is purely ceremony and in some cases, within the Catholic Church, they contravene the word of God



  14. Steven Huffstutler
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  15. Steven Huffstutler
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    3/15/2013 6:03 AM
    Do they try to elect a guy from a country without an extradition treaty?



  16. Jon Gansen
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    3/15/2013 8:03 AM
    Steve Nelson, CGCS said: 'Hail Mary, full of grace.
    Our Lord is with thee.
    Blessed art thou among women,
    and blessed is the fruit of thy womb,
    Jesus.
    Holy Mary, Mother of God,
    pray for us sinners,
    now and at the hour of our death.
    Amen.'

    Red is right on this one I think. It's kind of hard to say we don't pray to Mary. I think I said the Hail Mary about 150 times at the Rosary before my Dad's funeral not too long ago. There's also no shortage of Madonna iconagraphy in church or at home. Whether or not it is acceptable per the Bible I think he's wrong since most of this prayer comes directly from one of the gospels.


    Growing up as a Catholic and being an alter boy till 18 I had alot of questions about the faith. Most of the answers I got were that is the way the church is. Our Lady of Lourdes in Iowa had a statue of the Virgin Mary that was passed around once a week to peoples houses and the rosary was said to. You will never convince me that they dont pray directly to the Virgin Mary. I still believe alot of the ideals the Catholic church stands for and Pope Francis is already being criticized for but do not like the idea of the pope as the holy father it implies God on earth.



  17. Keith Lamb
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    3/15/2013 9:03 AM
    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/phil-zuckerman/why-evangelicals-hate-jes_b_830237.html


    Christopher Hitchens, Richards Dawkins and Steven Huffstutler. Great Humanists.



  18. Steven Huffstutler
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  19. Thomas Brown
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    3/20/2013 2:03 PM
    I give Evangelicals a pat on the shoulder for the fact that they treat the bible as a literal book to be followed to the letter, while many other religions pick and choose.
    John 3:16 and John 4:16 states all you need to know about Christianity and all you need to do to go to heaven. Everything else in any church is purely ceremony and in some cases, within the Catholic Church, they contravene the word of God
    With all due respect,
    Red


    My wife and I just returned from San Diego so I'm a little late in responding to this post. I was a baptized and confirmed Roman Catholic for the first seventeen years of my life, mostly in the fifties and sixties so my experience of the church was during the time period that the mass went from being said in latin to english (Vatican II, I think). Anyway, back then it seemed to me that there wasn't much emphasis on the congregation reading the Bible for themselves. I could be wrong.

    Even though I'm in sympathy will Red's comments I know things have changed a lot since I attended that church. I just read the Pulitzer prize winning book "Angela's Ashes" by Frank McCourt and unfortunately that's the church I remember, being Irish Catholic myself.

    I prefer to look at what Evangelicals and Roman Catholics have in common in their faith and try not to get bogged down by their traditions too much.

    Tom



  20. Sean Hoolehan
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    3/21/2013 8:03 AM
    "Most people don't hate what the Catholic Church teaches… they hate what they think the Catholic Church teaches." This quote from Bishop Sheen was posted here this weekend. This is very true of not just non-Catholics but former Catholics many who were (through no fault of their own) poorly catechized. Many years ago I decided to learn what it is we Catholics really do believe and why we believe it. My family has been Catholic for over 1500 years I did not want to take that fact lightly in finding my own direction. I found that what we as Catholics believe is Biblical. I also found that the Church fathers 2000 years ago took great care to make sure that the Church was founded on these principles.

    Here are some great authors/books to read on this subject. Scott Hahn "Rome Sweet Home" (or just about any book by Scott Hahn) about a Evangelical Pastor's conversion to Catholic. Jimmy Aiken's "The Fathers Knew Best" a history of the early church from about 100-800 AD, or Patrick Madrid's " Pope Fiction" debunks the myths often shared by non-Catholics about the Pope, all of these may be found on Amazon. Also a great resource is http://www.usccb.org/ where you can find a lot of information on the Catholic Church in America.

    If you really want to learn about Catholicism feel free to contact me personally at shoolehan@gmail.com I will not be returning to read further posts on this thread.

    Sean



  21. Larry Allan
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    3/21/2013 10:03 AM
    Sean Hoolehan, CGCS said: "Most people don't hate what the Catholic Church teaches… they hate what they think the Catholic Church teaches." This quote from Bishop Sheen was posted here this weekend. This is very true of not just non-Catholics but former Catholics many who were (through no fault of their own) poorly catechized. Many years ago I decided to learn what it is we Catholics really do believe and why we believe it. My family has been Catholic for over 1500 years I did not want to take that fact lightly in finding my own direction. I found that what we as Catholics believe is Biblical. I also found that the Church fathers 2000 years ago took great care to make sure that the Church was founded on these principles.

    Here are some great authors/books to read on this subject. Scott Hahn "Rome Sweet Home" (or just about any book by Scott Hahn) about a Evangelical Pastor's conversion to Catholic. Jimmy Aiken's "The Fathers Knew Best" a history of the early church from about 100-800 AD, or Patrick Madrid's " Pope Fiction" debunks the myths often shared by non-Catholics about the Pope, all of these may be found on Amazon. Also a great resource is http://www.usccb.org/ where you can find a lot of information on the Catholic Church in America.

    Sean

    Sean, I pictured you being in your early 50s...Wow



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