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  1. Jason Baker
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    12 posts
    1/19/2016 9:01 AM
    So the other day I had something happen for the second time in 6 months. I had a member accuse me of lying, or a more accurate quote "full of shit"

    First time was to my face in the locker room. It was during our biggest tournament and our greens were phenomenal. A member, who is a good golfer and plays in the group with the best golfers and most prominent members of our club, called bull... when I told him we verticut every other week from late April thru the growing season. The conversation was not heated and was actually very complimentary until then. He insisted he knew I did not verticut that often because he plays 5 times a week and he knows what verticutting is. This was no big deal, I went to my office and sent him an email with all of the dates we had verticut and depths of blades, and I tagged the greens committee. That was the end of it. I was insulted but got over it pretty quick.

    The other day. I opened the back nine for the first time since Christmas weekend. We had a terrible flood, 5 greens were under water etc. etc. ....
    A couple of days before opening a member asked if I was going to roll the greens opening day, I said "Absolutely".
    We did. That evening he sent me an email asking "True of False, you said you would roll greens before opening? " I replied " True, and we did this morning. "
    He immediately replied "BULL...T! I have pictures and will send to the Club!"
    I Replied. " I will not be called a liar" And forwarded the entire exchange to my greens committee and President of the Club.
    The BOD and Greens Committee seem to be supporting me but this guy is friends with and plays in the same group as the first guy. In this group is also two current BOD members, one of which has been a long time Greens Committee Member. I have not heard anything good or bad from these members.

    I am simply pissed these guys are attacking my integrity.

    I have no idea why these people (A) believe I would lie to them, And (B) would attack my integrity like that.
    I could not care less if they complained about course conditions, that is my job to listen and explain. And then to try and improve if possible. To go straight to; You are telling me a Lie?

    I have a BOD meeting tonight and this guy was invited to come. I have no idea where this is going to go, since he has two friends on the Board. But I will not have my name dragged thru the mud.

    Any reasonable suggestions?



  2. Sean Hoolehan
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    1/19/2016 10:01 AM
    Jason,

    Just keep your cool and don't get defensive. You will really impress and help your supporters by staying professional. Unfortunately this is part of our job. Just stay on point and don't take it personal, it just does not help in these situations. It sounds to me like you have your ducks in a row.

    Good Luck,
    Sean



  3. Larry Allan
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    1/19/2016 1:01 PM
    I blame social media. People who know nothing, read something by someone who knows nothing, and are now experts. Last season I posted on our Course Update that we were verticutting greens that day, and there would be no inconvenience to the membership. Halfway through the process, the Pro, then my boss comes wheeling out at high speed to tell me to stop verticutting. A member had read the posting, frantically phoned the greens chair saying that he had guests playing and that we were going to wreck the greens. Being the Pro was my boss, and the greenschair his boss....figure that one out if you can, I stopped the process and finished cutting. Next day I get a blistering letter from the greens chair, who had received a blistering email from that same member stating that the greens were the best he had seen until he reached 11. From that point on they were brutal. Not much you can do these days except sit back and smile. Rub it back in their faces, in a diplomatic way and move on to the next awaiting confrontation.
    Golf Course Atlas has got to be one of the worst sites that supports the dumb golfer leading the dumber. I've watched many very knowledgeable supers get carved up trying to address a misunderstanding on that site.

    PS, I no longer post anything on the Update Page that uses any big words such as Verticutting, Venting etc. We just do it and no one seems to be the wiser



  4. Ronald Conard
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    1/19/2016 3:01 PM
    Jason,

    Praise and Blame. It makes the world go around, It's always been there and always will be. Every golf course in the world is the same. You can't get too high when the compliments are flying or too low when someone insults you. You know your integrity. We can't do too much about some diqnose spouting off. But you know that. You've been around a long time.

    The best approach is to play jiu jitsu politics. If the guy comes to your meeting and calls you a liar don't let your pride get in your way. Preserve your job, which is most important. Buying into his malice will only make it worse. Just calmly state your case, leave at that, smile, and inside... choke him out.

    Good luck. Let us know how it went.



  5. Clay Putnam
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    33 posts
    1/19/2016 6:01 PM
    Jason,

    Great points made by all. It is ALWAYS best to maintain composure, state your case, present supporting material, and let your professionalism lead. The detractors will be critical regardless of how you present yourself and you will only play into their hands by becoming defensive. The detractors are not your audience. You are presenting yourself to the rest of the reasonable board members who will listen to your presentation and they will take particular notice of your demeanor. Best of luck.



  6. Curtis Nickerson
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    1/20/2016 5:01 AM
    seems I am late to the party, but it appears you have received some very good advise already. They only thing I will add is this. Video tape (with time/date stamp, show watch, paper or phone date/time as proof) each of the things you do that they/he says you do not. This will only be used in the most critical of times, but at least you will have proof and facts on your side. But sadly, rarely do factsr matter to some folks!

    Keep us posted on how it went.



  7. Jason Baker
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    1/20/2016 8:01 AM
    So, the member's playing partners/friends on the BOD told me last night that they had nothing to do with his comments and when he approached them with the accusation they supposedly put him in his place. The President apparently also sent him a pretty direct letter inviting him to BOD meeting but warning him that unacceptable comments would not be tolerated. The member(s) did not show up, but I am told he has penned an apology letter; to me or to the BOD i am not sure. But no matter, this little issue is over.

    Apparently I have made a more positive impression on my membership over the last 10 years than I thought. It feels good.

    Thanks for the responses and advice. The best advice was to keep my composure. And that is what I did.

    Again, I am fine with negative comments and criticism from members, that is what we do, it is the accusations of falsehood that infuriated me. I do not feel that I have to document all of my routine maintenance, nor will I. I do communicate with the Pro daily, the Greens Committee weekly, and I Communicate with the membership on important issues thru my blog, which has over 30,000 hits over the last few years. I this communication with the membership works, even if sometimes we feel it does not.



  8. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    1/20/2016 12:01 PM
    I say take the detractors out on the back nine next time you have your kayak out and use them for an anchor.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  9. David Gresham
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    1/20/2016 2:01 PM
    Hey Buddy,
    I had a similar situation this year with the ALT70 recall. A certain GREENS COMMITEE member was grandstanding on the PG one morning. He proceeded to tell the other members the GM and I were not doing enough to offset the chemical damage. One of our prominent members came straight to me and said "get ANOTHER email out stating our plan ASAP." I ended up sending mass emails out weekly to our membership stating the steps and timeframe of all chemical, mechanical, and budgetary measures we will take. He ended up resigning from Green Committee and will not talk to me till this day. Long story short.... the majority of members knew we were doing everything we could do, and stood up to him. I even got emails from board members telling me to not worry about him that he was "just a old sour grape that is miserable in his life." Funny thing is when weather broke and we punched and seeded everything happened just like I said it would. Stay calm buddy, the proof is in the pudding. You do a great job and that's the reason he didn't show to your meeting. He knew he was wrong!

    Wally



  10. Sandy Clark
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    0 posts
    1/21/2016 9:01 AM
    Good reason to keep your cell phone or a camera with you at all times. Great constructive comments but if you have pictures of the verticutting and the time and date showing, all of your allies will shut people like this up. Just curious, what are the ages of the complainers? Are they older and on some type of medication? Could be a couple of guys are starting to lose it and are becoming bitter people. Happens with the early stage of dementia.



  11. Max Lamas
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    2/16/2016 8:02 PM
    You just need the majority of the board on your side. Respect and smile to the others. Don't let them get you down. Not worth your time nor there's.



  12. Steven Scott
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    2/17/2016 9:02 AM
    Things like this are the reason I love working in public golf. Sure I have annual pass holders that belly-ache when we aerify, topdress, verticut, CPO, etc. but they are generally happy with the course they have and rarely do we have anyone quit due to "course conditions". That being said, communication is key. If you can explain what you are doing in layman's terms and when you are planning to do it, and then document with photos on your blog/twitter/newsletter, you are going to have a lot more supporters and fewer detractors. I choose to believe that what happened to Larry with the verticutting is rare, but I may be eating rainbow stew.



  13. Larry Allan
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    2/17/2016 9:02 AM
    Steven K Scott said: Things like this are the reason I love working in public golf. Sure I have annual pass holders that belly-ache when we aerify, topdress, verticut, CPO, etc. but they are generally happy with the course they have and rarely do we have anyone quit due to "course conditions". That being said, communication is key. If you can explain what you are doing in layman's terms and when you are planning to do it, and then document with photos on your blog/twitter/newsletter, you are going to have a lot more supporters and fewer detractors. I choose to believe that what happened to Larry with the verticutting is rare, but I may be eating rainbow stew.

    It was rare until this year but as I have stated before 7 greens chairs in 5 years, you get quite a variety of people. Some do nothing , some try to manage your entire work day. My first chair in this shuffle dictated cutting heights on Fairways. We went from .375 to his desired height of .750 on poa bent. 3 Weeks went by before we could get even the slightest grass off the fairways. After complaints that we weren't cutting fairways, he decided on .500. Members still up in arms he lowered it to .411, in consultation with the GM, who openly stated he knew more about turf than myself. I suppose I should have attended Cordon Bleu training and forgotten the Penn State route.
    I have found that when greens chairs, even after you explain, document, show research, still insist on doing something, I do it. The general membership eventually put them in their place. We are back at .375, I didn't have to make threats, lose my mind or sweat. I just did as I was told and then responded to questioning member, that it was a greens committee decision



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