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Single row to double row irrigation

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  1. Todd Caudill
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    10/28/2020 9:10 AM
    If anyone has upgraded from single row fairway irrigation to double row, please let me how it has benefited your course and if the golfers noticed the upgrade.  Also, if anyone has experience with a Hunter Pilot central control and satellites let me know your satisfaction. 

    Thanks!



  2. James Smith
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    11/9/2020 10:11 AM
    When you say a single row to a double row are your intentions to keep the single and add a second row or to start over and install two rows?

    With most single rows the heads are run down the middle where the double rows split the area into three sections. you get more coverage on both sides compared to just on one side id you just add a row. 

    I will explain a system I designed at my last course which had some single and some double rows but was considered wall to wall.

    The course was laid out in a rectangle grid so we had many holes right on the side of other holes. so when I placed a set of double heads on on fairway they reached into the other side of the next fairway. this allowed a single row set of heads with the next fairway over having another set of doubles. I even too some double row fairways and went down to a single row halfway to the green since these areas got narrower and had trees on it. 

    Maybe you can post your clubs address and I can look at it through google earth and let you know what I think.



  3. Todd Caudill
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    11/9/2020 4:11 PM in reply to James Smith
    We plan to cap the middle single row.  It will still be live minus the heads with rows on each side of where the singles were.  I hoping to upgrade our controllers and add a central hunter pilot control. 302 Broadway Franklin Ky 42134
    thanks



  4. James Smith
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    11/10/2020 5:11 AM
    After looking over your course I would say a double row would help you tremendously. it looks like some of those areas could take three heads wide.

    Some thoughts to think on though. I do not see a lot of water on your course. what is your irrigation water source and can you handle the amount of water needed to use a system with possibly twice as many heads and remember that these heads put out much more water then greens heads. at my last course I would put out 750,000 gallons of water per night cycle when I ran everything. I however had a never ending water supply as we pulled from the areas fresh water sources in the swamps. 

    Do you have dual heads around your greens? if not is this something you may desire in the process?

    have you thought over how you plan to cap off the current main lines? I say this because if not done properly it can cause you unlimited leaks and nightmares down the road. if you have slip fittings they will try to find a way to move and leak and threaded fittings if not done 100% correct will also give headaches. Piecemealing a system together almost always leads to issue down the road. I would almost consider just laying a new system down and disabling any areas I could altogether. 

    Have you talked to the irrigation companies yet? if not give them a call. they will send out a rep who can help you design what you need and its generally for free. 

    I see you are talking about Hunter and I know they are cheaper but I would look over each ones operation systems first. a few thousand dollars is nothing when it comes to better control over your system. I currently have a older Hunter Surveyor system and really miss the ease and complete control I had with my old Rainbird central system and it was their bottom of the line system. I would say that the Toro Links system is by far the best on the market that I had seen last year but its also expensive. 
    Understand that any sprinkler will work with any operating system. they all run 24volt heads. its only a matter of matching up nozzle gpm outputs in your central system. 
    The thing I miss the most from my Rainbird is the instant GPM feedback I got from it while running my system. I now have a wireless system and it blows. you do not really get on time feedback or good two way communication but that may be my older system. 

    If you have any questions feel free to ask. 



  5. Todd Caudill
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    11/10/2020 1:11 PM in reply to James Smith
    Thanks for looking the course over!   We have a near by creek we transfer from to the lake at the course.  We have been in long conversation with the irrigation company.  They were formally rainbird and now Hunter.  I couldn’t get the next closest rainbird company to visit.  Said they were too busy.  It’s coming to a vote this month and I’m mainly looking for folks who have done something similar to say it’s well worth the money.  The Hunter Command Center seems to have caught up considerably with competitors.  You can read up on it on the hunter site, but it manages and optimizes flow based on input from the pump station and superintendent.  



  6. James Smith
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    11/24/2020 4:11 AM
    Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to it. Looking at your course I do think it would be worth the money. it will expand your coverage greatly. Good Luck



  7. Todd Caudill
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    11/25/2020 8:11 PM in reply to James Smith
    Thanks James.  This is turning out to be quite a divisive proposal. 



  8. Terry Davio
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    11/30/2020 7:11 AM
    Todd, we're considering the same thing at my course. I'm wrapping up my first season at this club, and we're at the point where we spend so much time repairing the system, it's just not worth it. I'm with James in saying if you're going to install a new double row system, I would do everything I could to completely abandon the old center line, otherwise, there will come a time when you'll be blowing a lot of time repairing a line that really isn't needed. My youngest pipes have been in the ground since the 1980's, and this season alone we did in the area of 50 repairs. That's not even mentioning the leaks I know I had at the end of the season that we didn't get to, solely because this was an odd year, and the gentlemen that have handled irrigation repair in the past were either not here anymore or unable to perform those duties.

    I could justify double row in many places on my course, where I will also likely have several fairways that could narrow down to single row as the fairway approaches the green. Having learned a lot through conversations with several irrigation consultants, I'm pushing for an HDPE system that will last longer than the heads themselves, especially since the costs involved in installing HDPE are much closer to the costs of schedule 40 than they used to be. The hard part will be selling this project to the membership, much like you referenced in your last post. It's not going to be inexpensive, and we'll have to figure out a way to get the money together to do it, but even if we end up deciding to go back in with a new center row system (to save money), we'll be abandoning all the old piping that is in place. 

    Good luck. I spoke with another superintendent in my state who is getting a new system installed in pieces over the next three years, and he told me his club replaced the irrigation around all the greens ten years ago. There was a big need to do that, and while they had the consultant there, they had him draw up plans for the entire system. It took him ten years to get the membership sold on the need for the entire system being replaced, and a big part of what enabled him to sell it to the membership was showing them the annual costs to repair. Over 36 holes, he was spending $60K in parts every year, not to mention the labor costs involved with these repairs. For your sake and mine, I certainly hope it doesn't take that long and those costs to get the membership on board!



  9. Todd Caudill
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    11/30/2020 9:11 AM in reply to Terry Davio
    Knock on wood, but our piping has been pretty sound.  We now have bluemuda on fairways and tees and I feel our fairways would benefit from the increased coverage and we could enhance our roughs.  Our main repair issues are with weeping and stuck on heads.  With the double row we would need to replace our obsolete Par 24 controllers which are more and more in need of repair.  My hope is with an added central control and single head wiring we will be more efficient and reduce hand watering and save time running from box to box.  We are a crew of about 5.5 right now and need to be efficient as possible.   We are also hoping to add heads to some tees without water and irrigate a small practice area and nursery. 

    I appreciate the input!



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