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Turf-Trainer Brush System

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  1. Bradley Frunchak
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    24 posts
    10/30/2019 1:10 PM
    Who has used the Turf-Trainer brush system?
    What are your thoughts, positive/negative?
    Was there a difference in the turf?
    It seems like an economical solution, was wondering how the system works on Penncross greens.



  2. Jeffrey Scott
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    11/1/2019 10:11 AM in reply to Bradley Frunchak
    I haven't used one of these Turf-Trainer attachments, but will say that any device - even one like this that has no "mechanical action" - will lift some of the long grass blades into the mowing range so they can be clipped off.  Since that is the goal of using such a device - sure, there is some benefit to it!
      I admire the innovation of industry professionals that can come up with economical ways to tweak a routine procedure to create a better end result.  That was always one of the most rewarding aspects of my supt career spanning nearly three decades.
      That said, in my years of demoing the TB grooming brush, I was able to groom more in one pass than a "static" brushing device could do in 4 or 5 passes and in some cases they couldn't match the performance of the TB no matter how many passes they made.

     One demo that I continue to use as a testimonial occurred 8 or 9 years ago in southern WI.  A great supt at a very nice country club allowed me to demo the brush on a 5,000 sq ft green that had been mowed early that September morning.  He told me on the way to the green that he used a fixed brush on the front of his walk mowers several times per week and his cutting height was at .120".  I asked that he mow this green after I brushed it, so his asst brought a triplex set at the same height of cut.  I made a quick, once-over "looping" pattern over the green as a grooming procedure that took less than 5 minutes.  The supt and I observed the mower cut the right half of the green and make one pass on the left half before heading off the green.  The supt asked "where is he going??"  to which I replied "to empty the baskets since they're nearly full of clippings!!"  The asst came back and mowed the remaining half of the green and the cleanup and had another half basket of clippings.  That's a first-hand comparison of a mechanical action brush versus a static device.  Needless to say, this demo led to an easy sale.

      It's been over six months since there was a thread going on here having to do with increasing speed on Penncross greens.  There was an excellent discussion going on over a couple months until I was admonished for using the Forum for a "sales pitch".  My intent was to share my experiences with using the TB grooming brush since it had not been mentioned in that thread up to the time I participated.  Since that post that admonished me, there have been over 400 views of the thread but 0 new posts.  

      I'm  interested in other viewpoints...

    Jeff

        



  3. James Smith
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    112 posts
    11/4/2019 7:11 AM
    I wonder how this would work if you have flat worm castings early in the morning?



  4. Dean Chase
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    3 posts
    1/8/2020 12:01 PM
    Give Rodney a call, he's a supt in Boston. He'll explain how he went through the process of coming up with the idea and how it's worked for him and the guys he asked to test it for him. For me it looks like the best option currently if you triplex mow greens. I don't have any first hand experience but it's very economical so I'm giving it a try this year.



  5. Paul Double
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    37 posts
    1/9/2020 8:01 AM
    I am in Ohio and we have Penncross greens. We use a Sweep N Fill III brush, very similar to the TB Brush that Jeffrey Scott mentioned. We have been using this for the past 6 years and wish we had sooner.  I can support the story Jeffrey Scott spoke about the golf course mowing green after 1 pass with TB brush and filling buckets. We tested it the same way and had very similar results. What is nice with the Sweep N Fill is you can adjust the down pressure to adjust how aggressive you want to be. I also use this on collars and makes a huge difference. I also use the Sweep N Fill for brushing in lite topdressing and also filling holes after aerification with topdressing. This style of brush is awesome.
    Good Luck
    Paul



  6. James Smith
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    112 posts
    1/10/2020 5:01 AM
    Do you think these works better then grooming mowers?



  7. Paul Double
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    1/10/2020 7:01 AM in reply to James Smith
    Yes I do think it is better then the grooming mowers. The grooming mowers help, but I think the sweep n fill brush does a better job.



  8. Dean Chase
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    3 posts
    1/10/2020 7:01 AM
    I used groomers for years but found them too aggressive for daily use on bent greens. I like the idea of mowing and brushing together. You can adjust mowing patterns easily to hit the turf in multiple directions. The Transformer Brush system is similar, there's a lot of online videos on those.  



  9. Jeffrey Scott
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    8 posts
    1/10/2020 8:01 PM
    Besides being a rather expensive attachment, groomers or verticut blades inflict a LOT of physical damage to the plant tissue.  My earliest experience with trying to speed up the greens with groomers was on 80% Poa greens over 30 years ago.  Doing this in the early spring or in the fall made for some excellent putting surfaces, but it didn't take more than a couple attempts in the summer months to prove to me that it's NOT worth the risk!
      Most of my experience has been with the TB 200 and since 2012, the TB 220.  Weekly use of the brush to lift the long grass blades into the mowing range could certainly eliminate the need for using groomers. Why?  If you're putting the ball on the cut end of the grass blade, ball roll resistance is at a minimum and that results in about as smooth a putting surface as you can produce.  (And yes, it was me in another thread that has never been a fan of using a roller...) Then control speed with the fertility program and the cutting height.
      Still want to verticut greens??  Adjust the brush slightly more aggressive to open the canopy prior to verticutting!  If you make it easier for the spinning blade to get down into the canopy, you'll do less physical damage to the tissue and the end result of your verticutting operation will amaze you.
      We're looking forward to the GIS in a couple weeks.  Let's talk turf!  Find me around booth 3224/3326 near the middle of the show floor.  Our engineering team will be there again this year.  Maybe you have an idea for the next great problem solver...
    Jeff Scott
    SGM Industries,LLC
    WILSCOT, LLC



  10. Adam Engle
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    1 posts
    9/22/2020 3:09 PM in reply to Paul Double
    bumping this post to see how these worked for you Paul



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