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  1. Bywater Nigel
    Bywater Nigel avatar
    12/13/2012 5:12 AM
    What in your opinions are the best turf colorants available for dormant bermuda? I would like to know about ease of mixing, natural color, any problems with spray rig or pumps to look out for.... I've used Green Lawnger many years ago on a previous course but wanted to know how the newer products figured.
    I've just been given a PGA tournament in February so want to green up tees and fairways a touch to give the course a little definition.

    Thanks in advance......

    Nigel Bywater
    Golf Course Superintendent
    Golf De Mogador
    Morocco



  2. Andy Scott
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    12/13/2012 5:12 AM
    I use a pigment called Chloroplast, from R.A.I.N. Biologics. I posed this same question last year for painting bermuda greens and got a lot of great comments. This product is inexpensive($35/qt), and for 3 AC of greens I spray a 15-20 oz/A rate. Usually lasts about 3 weeks. Good dark green color. I apply it with my MultiPro sprayer with zero issues.



  3. Scott Tolar
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    12/13/2012 1:12 PM
    Foursome, 16-20 oz/A every 3 weeks. Key is to begin applications before turf goes dormant.



  4. Wally Dowe
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    12/13/2012 3:12 PM
    We have been using Green Tees by Simplot which is Green Lawnger at 4 - 6 oz/1000. We also add SP Darken at 1 gal/acre. We are spraying non-overseeded Mini Verde greens every week with this mix. We use a diaphragm pump. Each weekly application is sprayed in a different direction than the last application.

    Wally Dowe
    Ventana Canyon Golf & Racquet Club
    Tucson, AZ



  5. Smith Kerry L
    Smith Kerry L avatar
    12/13/2012 3:12 PM
    My guestion is do you maintain shape of green and if so how or do you just live with the rectangle shape the spray rig boom leaves?



  6. Andy Jorgensen
    Andy Jorgensen avatar
    1 posts
    12/14/2012 6:12 AM
    First, there is a big difference between pigments and paints.

    Pigments are short term colorants meant to be applied on green turf. Paints are for extended color and more for dormant turf.

    This is our second year of not overseeding anything on one of our courses, and first year of not overseeding anything on another course. We have been utilizing a liquid overseed program consisting of bi-weekly applications of a pigment, liquid Nitrogen and micronutrients.

    Although we have been dealing mainly with Foursome and Par, over the past two years I have performed trials with over ten different products including some of the more traditional paint products. In order for a product to work, I feel like it has to do three things:

    1) Be cost effective
    2) Good longevity
    3) Provide a natural color

    We stuck with Foursome again this year on our tees and fairways and have been using Par on our greens. All because of what we saw based on the three goals mentioned above from last years trials.

    There are many products on the market that work just fine. In fact, everything I demoed last year worked great. But, price on some was more than others. Some were more natural looking than others. And some lasted longer, but price was so high that price per day of color was through the roof.

    I have five new products I am doing trial work with this year. A few promising ones that are true green pigments and don't leave a blue hue a few days later.

    As someone else mentioned, when using the pigments you need to start early while the turf is still green. Pigments won't turn dormant grass green nor will they turn dirt green. You actually need green tissues present for them to work. When using the paints, I have found dormant turf is better for the first application.

    If painting just greens, using a handheld gun works best and prevents streaking from clogged nozzles, tire tracks, etc. Don't spray the edges from the inside. Stand on the collar and spray back toward the middle first, then fill in the rest of the green. This prevents overspray from hitting the collars. But, I have seen guys use the middle boom to outline the clean-up pass first, then boom spray the middle. Faster and requires only one person versus two to three dragging hose.

    Since our collars are also getting treated, we use a boom sprayer and apply the pigments with our weekly foliar applications.

    I can tell you one thing to be careful with, centrifugal pumps do not like the paint products. Be prepared to blow out a few seals during application. Diaphragm pumps are much better for these products. For pigments, either one works.

    This year will spray over 700 acres worth of pigment products across two golf courses spending roughly 45% of what we normally would on overseed and saving roughly 35 million gallons of water.

    There are numerous articles on both pigments and paints and their use on bermudagrass turf. A quick google search will provide you with a plethora of information.



  7. Wahlin Scott B
    Wahlin Scott B avatar
    12/14/2012 7:12 AM
    I was told by a Spraying Systems Rep that the seals on the centrifugal pump were not actually going bad, paint was drying on the shaft. He said if you threw a couple handfuls of sprayable gypsum in the tank it would keep the paint from drying on the shaft. I have always used a diaphragm pump with paint, so I have not had to try it.



  8. Ashton Alan W
    Ashton Alan W avatar
    12/14/2012 8:12 AM
    Scott Wahlin, CGCS said: I was told by a Spraying Systems Rep that the seals on the centrifugal pump were not actually going bad, paint was drying on the shaft. He said if you threw a couple handfuls of sprayable gypsum in the tank it would keep the paint from drying on the shaft. I have always used a diaphragm pump with paint, so I have not had to try it.


    The paints gum up the spring on the seal... you can take them out and clean them, but you can't re-install multiple times as they'll break after being removed once or twice. It's best to steer clear of a centrifugal with paint...



  9. Anthony Nysse
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    1 posts
    12/14/2012 10:12 AM
    Scott Tolar said: Foursome, 16-20 oz/A every 3 weeks. Key is to begin applications before turf goes dormant.

    We sprayed Foursome for the last 3 years. We looked at and have REALLY liked the new Turfscreen Dormant. I think the color is richer and seems to stay around longer, besides the faces the turf really just looks healthy and uniform.
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  10. Jeffrey Gaylor
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    12/14/2012 5:12 PM
    I've been using Foursome and Par for the past couple seasons, I have since changed to Endurant by Geoponics. Couldn't be happier!!



  11. James Gray
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    1 posts
    12/15/2012 9:12 AM
    anyone used the Optimizer from armortech? I use it at 20 oz per acre and really like it. it retails eop at 130 per gallon and 150 per gallon in season.



  12. Michael Posey
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    12/19/2012 9:12 PM
    http://www.usspecialtycoatings.com Atlanta, GA. They are the actual manufacturers of the paint that most of the other companies probably buy from them and re-brand. They have about 4 different color greens and you can pick the one that matches your local turf the best. I also think that if you bought enough they would mix a special color for you, but not sure. Everything I have used from them from their course marking paint to shop floor coating has been awesome. They make paint for about any king of odd application you could imagine (They actually have airport runway paint, if you've been looking around for some :). I buy the turf paint in 5 gal buckets. 1-800-278-7473. The guy I always ask to talk to is Andy. I think Ext. 105, if not it's Ext. 115.



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