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Graden on Bentgrass greens

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  1. Timothy Pratt
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    6/12/2012 6:06 AM
    Was wondering how deep you have gone with a Graden on bentgrass greens?
    I have T-1 in the mountain region of Korea. 2300 feet. Snow cover from December to April.
    I have about 5/8" (15mm) of thatch. I am worried about trying to go to deep and the recovery time.
    Because of KPGA and KLPGA events in September, I only have 1 chance at cultivation every year.

    Thanks in advance for your comments.

    Tim Pratt
    Alpensia Resort
    Korea



  2. Henry Heinz
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    6/12/2012 7:06 AM
    Hello Tim,

    When I was working with Fulling he had one of the first units out and we used it a couple times and went pretty aggressive. During my time in PA, we used it on our bent greens, but had the sand fill units and were not able to go as deep as Dan would have liked. I think we were getting about 3" to 3.5" and I think that was about max. I would think you could easily go a couple inches and remove a ton of crap, and have it filled back in with turf cover in a couple weeks with a good fertility program. I know Jeff Holmes ran the graden units, maybe give him a call as I'm sure he can give you some great advice on those units, and I'm sure he has more experience than I do with them.

    Hope all is well with you over there and maybe we'll see you over this way soon.

    Regards,



  3. Kyle Fick
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    4 posts
    6/12/2012 9:06 AM
    I've got some thoughts on this process. We have a similar elevation and snow cover to what you described. I used a 3 pt graden at 3" spacing a few years back and went in about 1" deep or so. We did not have the sand filling units, and it turned into a disaster. After removing the material, the grooves somewhat closed up. After topdressing, even further, and there were very visible scares for quite some time. I had to lightly topdress often and drag to span the indentations and voids to keep a true surface. I also did this later in the year (early october), and that may have led to the poor recovery and poor overwintering of our greens. I originally wanted to dry the material down and blow it away or drag it in with new sand, but while trying to accomplish this process during golf, there was going to be no chance. I had to use a debris harvester to broom it away. Another variable to consider.

    lately, I've adopted a different philosophy after having some samples to done with ISTRC and talking with their representatives. In our conversation, I surmised that if you can't fill the cuts with sand before traffic/equipment, one is better off aggressively aerifying with shallower tines, and a small diameter in order to remove a sufficient amount of material, but allowing for the voids to remain open. I am in the belief it is best to remove the entire plug that is pulled, but in this instance, perhaps the best thing to do would be to spread the sand, then pull the plugs (two directions if possible), then drag in all the material in the hope that the OM you want to remove will stay out of the smaller holes, and can be blown off later.

    We use a procore 648 with the ten tine holding block and I used a 3" depth side eject 3/8" hollow tine. Turns out to be about 1"-1.25" spacing with this setup. With the quad blocks on this unit, a single guy can go through alot of square footage at a pretty fast pace. With the multiple small holes, we pulled a great deal of material up, and the recovery time was about 7 days. Another step to the process was we aggressively verticut 2 directions with normal triplex verticutters prior to the aerifying process, furthering a spot for the sand to work into.

    I no doubt believe the graden is a great machine, but site,equipment, and rootzone material may alter your approach and create a apples to oranges comparison. My guess would be that you could aerify twice and recover just as fast as if you would go with the graden. From my experience, the speed of the process is increased as well. But, again, what worked for me may not be the best case scenario for you.



  4. Timothy Pratt
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    3 posts
    6/12/2012 5:06 PM
    Henry Heinz said: Hello Tim,

    When I was working with Fulling he had one of the first units out and we used it a couple times and went pretty aggressive. During my time in PA, we used it on our bent greens, but had the sand fill units and were not able to go as deep as Dan would have liked. I think we were getting about 3" to 3.5" and I think that was about max. I would think you could easily go a couple inches and remove a ton of crap, and have it filled back in with turf cover in a couple weeks with a good fertility program. I know Jeff Holmes ran the graden units, maybe give him a call as I'm sure he can give you some great advice on those units, and I'm sure he has more experience than I do with them.

    Hope all is well with you over there and maybe we'll see you over this way soon.

    Regards,


    Skip,

    Things are going good. Would love to get back to Florida some time.

    I did a couple of practice greens early this year and had the same problem as Kyle and that is why I was asking.
    I went down about 5/8" and it has taken 5 weeks to heal. The soil temps have been really low and that could be the problem. I have used the 3 pt. and gone down 1" at the other course I worked at here in Korea and had no problem with recovery. It is impossible to get dried sand here so that might be another reason.

    Thanks for the reply and hope things are going good for you.



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