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Out with the bath water

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  1. Larry Allan
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    7/23/2011 1:07 PM
    Unfortunately, once again fundamentalism has reared its ugly head. Many on the forum stated that fundamentalist Christians did not act in such a way and that only Muslims did. Norway found out differently yesterday. An attack from within with blonde haired, blue eyed Christian fundamental beliefs. The first pictures I saw yesterday were eerily similar to Oklahoma. Another so called white boy Christian
    When Christian fundamentalists do it we tend to believe it to be a mental issue. When Islam does it, well that is just the kind of people they are.
    The problem is and will forever be people believing in things they can't see feel touch or taste. It's time to throw the Lord (insert deity here) out with the bath water



  2. Peter Bowman
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    7/23/2011 2:07 PM
    I'll leave the religious arguments here to others.

    I'm more curious whether or not the island where all the shootings took place was a gun free zone.



  3. Larry Allan
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    7/23/2011 6:07 PM
    Petey, I'll bet it was. Most countries in the civilized world are like that



  4. Keith Lamb
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    7/23/2011 7:07 PM
    Been to Norway several times and never saw a policeman carrying a gun. One of my favorite places to visit.

    I would guess that at least 90 people died today in Merka by way of the gun.



  5. Rosenthal Gregg
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    7/24/2011 5:07 AM
    Red,

    It is not a question of country, religion/faith or race. Right wing fundamentalists always want to solve their issues by the sword/gun and left wing fundamentalists wish to do so peacefully. This is just history repeating itself time and again. I am Jewish, yesterday after Sabbath service I was talking with my Rabbi who is also my friend (he is my age and very liberal believes in equal rights for women for instance), he made the point to me that in Israel there is a faction of very orthodox Jews who do not work (only pray). These guys believe God will provide for them and we should be aggressively be attacking our Muslim neighbors to take back what is "ours". I totally disagree with this crazy right wing attitude. When I saw that guy from Norway's picture on CNN all I could think in my mind was here is a Nazi Aryan doing his thing, while the newscaster was trying to tie him to Muslim's? All I can say is it takes all kinds to be that evil and they will pay in H-ll! Amen

    On a more pleasant note the Dali Lama was in Washington DC all last week celebrating world peace and got no press whatsoever? My brothers wife worked for the committee organizing the show (she is an american Buddhist) and the Dali recognized her several times presenting her personally with silk scarves from his own wraps. He was in town meeting with groups from all over the world representing his peaceful causes and Buddhist clans.

    peace



  6. Ronald Conard
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    7/24/2011 9:07 AM
    Grosenthal said: Right wing fundamentalists always want to solve their issues by the sword/gun and left wing fundamentalists wish to do so peacefully.


    Umm, ever hear of Stalin, Mao Zedong, or Pol Pot?



  7. Rosenthal Gregg
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    7/24/2011 10:07 AM
    Ron,

    Yes I have, and those guys were right wing dictators all the way, just like Stalin and Lenin and so forth. By left Wing I refer to Peace loving anti war types like the Dali Lama or Martin Luther King, who do things with people power not guns. The Hindu revolt in India (Ghandi), South Africa (Mandela) as examples. Do not allow labels like socialist or communist to hide dictators who push violent revolution. Again as I used the example in Israel right wing Jews push aggressive violent politics and left wing Jews are more peaceful it has nothing to do with communism or democracy as both sides believe in democracy. This is much more complex than to just paste political labels and paint colors, one must study and understand what both sides are asking for. This guy in Norway was way in wacky right wing Christian anti Muslim, anti cultural la-la land. He wanted to separate cultures completely, something we in America should not tolerate at all as we were founded as a cultural melting pot... I am not trying to protect or say who is right or wrong but one thing is sure extremism one way or the other is bad. I am sure most would agree[url][/http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43871088/ns/world_news-the_new_york_times/t/norway-attacks-shine-light-right-wing-extremism-europe/url]



  8. Sandy Clark
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    7/25/2011 9:07 AM
    This guy sounds more like a rambling sicko nutcase. How does being crazy make you a right wing christian? He espoused little to nothing about his religion from what I have heard and read. What makes him a right wing extremist rather than simply a crazy person?



  9. McCallum David K
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    7/25/2011 9:07 AM
    He posted a rambling 1500 page manifesto online prior to his attack from what I have heard on the radio. Think I will pass on reviewing it. Just another sign of our times unfortunately. Not sure why children should be a target for anyone.



  10. Larry Allan
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    7/25/2011 10:07 AM
    Sandy, I read that he was a self described "right wing Christian" This is not a slight against you. Catholics are not Christian as I've stated before.Your going to hell just like me, or so my Baptist minister told me

    You asked "How does being crazy make you a right wing christian?"

    How does being crazy make you a right wing Muslim extremist?

    Behring Breivik's Facebook profile says he is "conservative", "Christian", and "single", interested in hunting and video games such as World of Warcraft and Modern Warfare 2.



  11. Sandy Clark
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    7/25/2011 11:07 AM
    Crazy is crazy. It doesn't have to have a right or left wing attached to it. He yearns for a pre-Islamic Europe more than making a big thing of his own faith. The guy is nuts and feels he has a cause. Insane is the more logical explanation for this guy.



  12. Samuel Snyder
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    7/25/2011 1:07 PM
    I suspect more will come out about this cretin before its over. I did hear he changed is facebook page a week ago to add in this above quoted material. Could it be he wants people to think what the accuser alleges? Seems that the idiot who shot the congresswoman in AZ along with many others was immediately labeled right wing by the media only to discover he was just nuts and didn't have a religious position.....waiting for the retractions and apologies......The knee jerk left wing press loves to label everyone as that is what and how they sell. Tolerance, the bastion of the left, if you agree with them.....



  13. Ronald Conard
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    7/25/2011 1:07 PM
    pale said: Sandy, I read that he was a self described "right wing Christian" This is not a slight against you. Catholics are not Christian as I've stated before.Your going to hell just like me, or so my Baptist minister told me

    You asked "How does being crazy make you a right wing christian?"

    How does being crazy make you a right wing Muslim extremist?

    Behring Breivik's Facebook profile says he is "conservative", "Christian", and "single", interested in hunting and video games such as World of Warcraft and Modern Warfare 2.



    I knew Red was a Baptist.



  14. McCallum David K
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    7/26/2011 9:07 AM
    So me and Bowman are going to hell Red............just for being Catholic?



  15. Clay Putnam
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    7/26/2011 9:07 AM
    Catholic, Baptist, Athiest, it doesnt matter. The lot of you are heathens. Prepair to burn.



  16. Larry Allan
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    7/26/2011 9:07 AM
    Yes Sir Dave, Petey and Sandy too.
    In my youth we had a wave of Italian ( Catholic ) immigrants move into the area and our pastor had two kids go out with a couple of older witnesses to attempt to save them from eternal damnation. Our job as children was to look worried and tear up as the Italian folk were told they were heading to Hades. It was intended to give some emotional support to the facts they were being told

    I'm just saying, from a Baptist perspective



  17. Wahlin Scott B
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    7/26/2011 10:07 AM
    It is too bad, but this heaven hell thing has been way whacked out by people who make their living from tithes and donations. It is really pretty simple and I feel completely secure in the idea that accepting Jesus can occur on Judgement Day. It just has to happen eventually, not necessarily in front of a living human.

    John 3:16
    For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.



  18. Thomas Brown
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    7/26/2011 10:07 AM
    Larry, Larry, Larry ... being a self proclaimed right wing fundamentalist who identifies himself as a "Knights Templar" doesn't make him a Christian any more than me standing in a garage makes me a car. In time, this individual will be found to be insane but the mud slung against Christians by the New York Times and others will stick in people's minds.



  19. Keith Lamb
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    7/26/2011 1:07 PM
    So, let me get this right......Christianity is the belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree. Makes perfect sense.



  20. Rosenthal Gregg
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    7/26/2011 1:07 PM
    Keith,

    Not exactly Jesus had a mother and father Mary and Joseph, go back and do some more research please....but yes he was Jewish



  21. Ronald Conard
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    7/26/2011 1:07 PM
    Grosenthal said: Keith,

    Not exactly Jesus had a mother and father Mary and Joseph, go back and do some more research please....but yes he was Jewish


    Joseph was his father? I thought God was his father?



  22. Keith Lamb
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    7/26/2011 3:07 PM
    I stand uncorrected.



  23. Wahlin Scott B
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    7/26/2011 3:07 PM
    conard said:

    Joseph was his father? I thought God was his father?


    The chosen people are still waiting for God's son.



  24. Jason Baker
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    7/26/2011 3:07 PM
    Kieth,
    I have never heard it explained quite that way before. It might be the most accurate account anyone has ever given. Could be a little painful for some to hear, but still a good summary.



  25. Rosenthal Gregg
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    7/26/2011 4:07 PM
    Scott,

    we (jews) are waiting for the messiah although it may not necessarily have to be gods son.....Jesus came from the immaculate conception (did that make him gods son?) Lots of questions for us mere mortals. One must keep in mind all the books we refer to were written long after the fact by scribes who probably were not there...I go to torah study every week where we discuss the weekly reading and these are some of the many questions that always come up as our Rabbi is progressive and open to discussion being younger and more modern..

    Gregg



  26. Sean Hoolehan
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    7/26/2011 9:07 PM
    huh



  27. Larry Allan
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    7/27/2011 5:07 AM
    thbrown said: Larry, Larry, Larry ... being a self proclaimed right wing fundamentalist who identifies himself as a "Knights Templar" doesn't make him a Christian any more than me standing in a garage makes me a car. In time, this individual will be found to be insane but the mud slung against Christians by the New York Times and others will stick in people's minds.


    I knew you would get drawn in Tom. I know how hard you tried not to.

    See, boys, here is the inherent problem. We will attempt, in the Western World, to give this guy a pass by saying he is insane. Bin Laden and others, on the other hand, are just evil Muslim Fundamentalist Terrorists.

    They're all F'ing insane. I don't believe man , in his natural state, is capable of killing innocent people. Their wiring is shorted, fuses blown regardless of religious indoctrination.

    Maybe we are all borderline insane and the tipping point comes if we believe we are communicating with some unseen being

    I try to take direction from my own thought process. It is a jumbled affair at best. I can't even imagine having to deal with other "voices" on top of that



  28. Steve Nelson
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    7/27/2011 10:07 AM
    McCallum said: So me and Bowman are going to hell Red............just for being Catholic?


    Don't worry Dave, to quote the greatest rock n' roll band of all time...."my friends are gonna be there too....we're on the highway to hell." So from one catholic to another, I'll see you there.

    [youtube">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_5kv8QeBBc[/youtube">

    This dude was crazy, but there is no denying that his warped religious/political ideology drove him to do what he did. Crazy, religion, hate, and guns make for a bad cocktail.



  29. Sean Hoolehan
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    7/27/2011 12:07 PM
    Crazy, religion, hate, and guns make for a bad cocktail.

    Stalin, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot these guys were atheists and may have not really hated the people they killed ( at least not all of them). One thing they had in common was they were narcissists. Some people are just bad because they chose to be. Sometimes ideology pushes people to extremes.

    Religion is personal, private and a normal behavior for man. If we could all agree on religion there would be no reason to have it. That's never going to happen. Religion is a reason many people don't do bad stuff too.



  30. McCallum David K
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    7/27/2011 2:07 PM
    Hmmmmm another narcissist comes to mind.............



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