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Dmi fungicide and soil temp

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  1. Cecil Daniel
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    11/2/2015 1:11 PM
    I've got a few spots on greens that appear to be take all patch and what looks like mini ring. I have been rotating azoxystrobin (generic heritage) and t-methyl. I want to change up fungicides, but I have seen dmi's burn bermudagrass. I've got a bottle of Tebuconazole (torque) on the corner of my desk. Any of y'all taking soil temperatures before you spray? We are still in the 70's, soil temp. Air temps should start cooling down to the low 70's for the high next week. I have read the old posts. I just don't want the cure to be worse than the disease.
    Growing tifdwarf in Savannah Ga.



  2. Stephen Johnson
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    11/2/2015 3:11 PM
    Briskway (Azoxystrobin + Difenoconazole )is reported to be the safe DMI as far as temperature phyto issues.
    I have never used it on Bermuda before but didn't see any ill effects on Bentgrass in late June with temps in the low 90's.



  3. Steven Huffstutler
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    11/2/2015 4:11 PM
    Be careful..... Call your Southern Ag rep and ask about SA20 or call your Ameriturf rep about Prontech.
    Just for myself, I never have and never will spray a DMI fungicide on my bermuda greens. I personally know guys who have lost jobs because of that. You might get away with it now that's its a little cooler, but it's a dangerous thing to do and no chemical company rep will be coming to your aid if you screw it up.


    Good luck

    Steve



  4. Jeffrey Sexton
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    11/2/2015 4:11 PM
    I spray teby on my zoysia fairways for large patch. I have seen phytotoxicity on the bermuda encroachment in my fairways. Be careful on green height stuff.



  5. Steven Scott
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    11/3/2015 8:11 AM
    I sprayed tebucanozle and t-methyl 2 weeks ago on both my tifdwarf and emerald greens in the transition zone with no ill effects. They had already begun to slow down (crazy weather this fall, highs in the 50s in mid Oct, highs near 80 this week) so I really can't tell you if the DMI had any growth regulation effect. I will be going back next week at the suggestion of my Champion rep and treating them all again with Heritage and t-methyl (because of the wacky weather). I never use tebu with temps over 80 and if you put it down during the growing season you definitely want to skip a Primo app or two.



  6. Cecil Daniel
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    11/3/2015 9:11 AM
    Thanks for all the comments. I would love to hear more. I am worried about cooking the turf. I think I am going to wait a little longer. I have applied Rubigan for poa prevention in late August before and got a little burn on some weak areas. I was hoping that torque would be a little easier on the turf. I have heard of guys in my area using it with good results. I would love to clean up the greens going into winter but I am also looking forward to next summer and fall and considering a late winter/ early spring app to prepare for next summer. We have had some fairy ring but nothing bad. Strobins and wetting agents seemed to keep it in check for the most part. I would like to not see it at all, but take all patch/ decline is my biggest concern.
    Thank you all and please keep it coming.



  7. John Boyce
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    11/3/2015 3:11 PM
    I agree that the DMI's and Bermuda are a dangerous combination. I was in HHI before coming to TN and we used Torque and Bayleton in the spring for fairy ring control. We would also use Torque in the middle of the summer if our fairy ring got bad. We would wet the turf prior to application and as soon as the sprayer left we would water off the leaf for 2-3 minutes, then follow that up with a 6-8 minute cycle. Didn't want any puddling. I did the same thing last year on my champion in TN and felt like I hurt it a little. That being said if your greens have some weak areas I would not spray Torque.

    Another option although it is expensive is Lexicon. It will take care of take all patch, decline and give you some SDS control. I have also used briskway in the middle of the summer with no harmful effects. Velista is also a good one for preventative control of mini ring. Not sure how well it would work on curing what is already there though.

    Good luck.

    JD



  8. Christopher Senior
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    11/3/2015 4:11 PM
    I spray Torque every spring as part of my FR control program and have never seen any ill effects (then again, I always water in after those apps). Without double checking I'm pretty sure the label advises caution in temps above 85, it still that warm for you guys?

    As mentioned, Briskway is a great option and is usually on my shelf in case I get into any trouble, have sprayed it in the very height of a central FL summer with no issues whatsoever.



  9. David Stout
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    11/3/2015 5:11 PM
    I would echo the comments on briskway and staying away from more traditional DMIs. I'll typically treat late summer to fall for decline as we had a bad outbreak two years ago that I'd rather not ever experience again. (Mini verde). I'll typically add in the appropriate amount of heritage to bring me up to a good rate on that product as well to cover the bases. But, just be aware of where you are at for the year on total amount of strobis. Also, we apply lexicon this time of the year just as we're entering slow growth or onset of dormancy. Again, there is a strobi component to this product as well, so as long as you're good with that, I would suggest this as an addition line of defense. We will repeat these apps late winter/early spring as well. Another product to look at for decline/sds/take all is daconil action, there is a 2ee label for it as well. UFL research showed this to help from flare ups.

    I feel this along with more aggressive but better timed cultural practices have helped reduce the amount and intensity of decline. I think once you have these ectotrophic root infecting fungi, they are difficult to impossible to completely get rid of. That said, I feel much more confident entering our high season on non overseeded greens. Whoever said bermudagrass greens were easier than bent never dealt with decline!



  10. Patrick Reinhardt
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    11/5/2015 6:11 AM
    As long as temps are below 85 degrees and you water in the product well, I've never had an issue with Tebucanazole, or any DMI for that matter. I did my second SDS app with Tebby/TM on Monday. First app near beginning of October. I've even done Fairy Ring apps in August. Again, lower temperatures, and watering in heavily are important. I also like to have a wetting agent out 2-3 days before application so I can water heavily and move the product into the profile.



  11. Cecil Daniel
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    11/5/2015 7:11 AM
    Thanks Patrick. It's nice to hear from someone in the area. I think I'm going to use Briskway right now and save the Tebuconazole for early spring. I hear that Briskway is easier on Bermuda and I don't want to risk injury to a few weak areas that are filling now that I'm off the primo.



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