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  1. Trevor Thorp
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    11/5/2012 1:11 PM
    Wondering how everyone decides the size of their approaches. How far out from the green do you take them? Do you go the same distance on all holes? We are starting to walkmow ours and we are discussing how big to make them. What looks good and how much time do we have to mow them ahead of play?



  2. Baker Daniel
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    11/5/2012 1:11 PM
    Good luck!

    I think each hole dictates the size of the approach and they should all be consistent with the original design. Golf holes vary so much that I don't think there is a formula for how big they should be.

    We have a very active and opinionated member who would take an issue like this and begin campaigning his point of view. Do your best to keep it within the executive staff and members who have a good sense of perspective.



  3. Justin VanLanduit
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    11/5/2012 5:11 PM
    Trevor,
    I myself usually use bunkers to dictate our approach or other features such as water hazard if applicable. If bunkers are set at the fronts of the greens I'll set my approach line usually where the bunker begins as you approach the green from the fairway. Besides this I take into consideration of the fairway width and ease of machine maneuverability. Like Daniel said there really is no scientific or right size, just what fits your course.



  4. Keith Fellenstein
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    11/6/2012 10:11 AM
    Justin VanLanduit said: Trevor,
    I myself usually use bunkers to dictate our approach or other features such as water hazard if applicable. If bunkers are set at the fronts of the greens I'll set my approach line usually where the bunker begins as you approach the green from the fairway. Besides this I take into consideration of the fairway width and ease of machine maneuverability. Like Daniel said there really is no scientific or right size, just what fits your course.


    Ditto



  5. Sandy Clark
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    11/6/2012 12:11 PM
    Trevor, is the architect that did the design still alive or in the area? If so, he would be a great source. If not, I agree with the other guys. The design of the hole should dictate the shape and size of the approach. The scale should be a top consideration. It should match the intent of the design.



  6. Kenneth Ingram
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    11/6/2012 12:11 PM
    Boy this is something I never gave much thought but now see how it could be a big deal. There is a course in our area undergoing a major renovation. New super wanted sand capped approaches. Literally dug out 4" of soil and replaced it with sand mix. The change order was well into the six figures. I've never seen that before. Also, most of the high end courses in our area walk mow approaches and mow the entire par-3 fairway as approaches. Kenneth Ingram, UMD.



  7. Timothy Connolly
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    12/20/2012 3:12 PM
    This is something that peaked my interest this summer when we started to see wear in the interface between the approaches and the fairway. No matter how big or small, I think it's important to be flexible with how far out you walk-mow the approach and adjust accordingly if turning wear becomes an issue. This might be problematic if approach HOC is significantly lower than fairway HOC, but even a slight shift toward or away from the green might be helpful.



  8. Timothy Connolly
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    12/20/2012 3:12 PM
    Kenneth Ingram, CGCS said: Boy this is something I never gave much thought but now see how it could be a big deal. There is a course in our area undergoing a major renovation. New super wanted sand capped approaches. Literally dug out 4" of soil and replaced it with sand mix. The change order was well into the six figures. I've never seen that before. Also, most of the high end courses in our area walk mow approaches and mow the entire par-3 fairway as approaches. Kenneth Ingram, UMD.



    Ken, have you heard how this is working out? I liked the concept from a playability standpoint but I could think of several reasons why I wouldn't want to go in this direction.



  9. Paul Hallock
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    12/21/2012 7:12 AM
    Trevor Thorp said: Wondering how everyone decides the size of their approaches. How far out from the green do you take them? Do you go the same distance on all holes? We are starting to walkmow ours and we are discussing how big to make them. What looks good and how much time do we have to mow them ahead of play?



    I have always made mine the same size, usually 75-100 feet depending on what course, just so the mow pattern was consistent. I usually also mow my par 3's completely, the same as my approaches. My previous courses I used a walk mower, current course we use a triplex...............



  10. Ashton Alan W
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    12/21/2012 8:12 AM
    Justin VanLanduit said: Trevor,
    I myself usually use bunkers to dictate our approach or other features such as water hazard if applicable. If bunkers are set at the fronts of the greens I'll set my approach line usually where the bunker begins as you approach the green from the fairway. Besides this I take into consideration of the fairway width and ease of machine maneuverability. Like Daniel said there really is no scientific or right size, just what fits your course.


    In my case, on a featureless executive, I remind our guys that we want a nice hourglass shape that has the narrowest point being the same width as the green. That way, our elderly members can always get their 7-wood from 90 yards an opportunity to find the putting surface! We triplex and mow them all the same distance out from the green...



  11. Justin VanLanduit
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    12/21/2012 12:12 PM
    Timothy Connolly said:
    Kenneth Ingram, CGCS said: Boy this is something I never gave much thought but now see how it could be a big deal. There is a course in our area undergoing a major renovation. New super wanted sand capped approaches. Literally dug out 4" of soil and replaced it with sand mix. The change order was well into the six figures. I've never seen that before. Also, most of the high end courses in our area walk mow approaches and mow the entire par-3 fairway as approaches. Kenneth Ingram, UMD.



    Ken, have you heard how this is working out? I liked the concept from a playability standpoint but I could think of several reasons why I wouldn't want to go in this direction.



    We didn't core ours out but in the last 4 years we've completely hammered with sand and aerification. Prior to our renovation we were doing spring and fall heavy as well as mid season applications of topdressing. Once we made the committment to regrass our approaches we hit them very heavy during the fumigation and regrass process then as the growin proceeded we kept adding more and more sand. Throughout this season we've see the approaches really develop but yet feel we have a ways to go to get them exactly how I want them to be. Starting this season we'll be including our approaches with our greens maintenance, spraying, topdressing, etc... We've also lowered our height of cut to .275 and next year be looking at .250, purchasing toro 1000's with groomers so we can do even more. Membership has seemed to really accept it. The ability to bounce the ball up onto the green from the fairway or if on the approach putt and the better players getting a good ability to control spin as they are cut so tight. I think more and more this is an area people need to focus extra attention too, after all this area sees a great amount of use, at least at my club, plus the aesthetic appeal it has as that opening invite into the gree.

    Best Regards,
    Justin



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