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light frequent vs. deep and infrequent

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  1. John Hansgen
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    11/7/2011 3:11 PM
    bent greens, rye blue fairways and roughs. River bed rocky, sandy soil. Just wondering how guys were watering. Daily ET, Accumulated ET, % ET. My crop index is currently .92. In the heat of summer, except for this summer, I have had to hit it every night or I see a lot of hot spots. Throwing 1-1.2 million gallons a night on 135 acres of turf. Thanks for the responses.



  2. Andy Jorgensen
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    11/7/2011 4:11 PM
    We run about 480,000 on sandy soil in central Florida every night on 132 acres. We water greens when needed. This is all based on our root depth. Areas with Nematodes and short roots might get hit a few times a day. Typically, it's once at night and once in the morning.



  3. John Hansgen
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    11/14/2011 1:11 PM
    hansgen said: bent greens, rye blue fairways and roughs. River bed rocky, sandy soil. Just wondering how guys were watering. Daily ET, Accumulated ET, % ET. My crop index is currently .92. In the heat of summer, except for this summer, I have had to hit it every night or I see a lot of hot spots. Throwing 1-1.2 million gallons a night on 135 acres of turf. Thanks for the responses.

    That was in the heat of summer. C'mon and give me your watering info! Only one person throws water or what?



  4. John Hansgen
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    11/14/2011 1:11 PM
    hansgen said: bent greens, rye blue fairways and roughs. River bed rocky, sandy soil. Just wondering how guys were watering. Daily ET, Accumulated ET, % ET. My crop index is currently .92. In the heat of summer, except for this summer, I have had to hit it every night or I see a lot of hot spots. Throwing 1-1.2 million gallons a night on 135 acres of turf. Thanks for the responses.

    That was in the heat of summer. C'mon and give me your watering info! Only one person throws water or what?



  5. Trevor Monreal
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    11/15/2011 6:11 AM
    I'm hesitant to give away my secret, but here it goes...I water according to what the plant needs. All that ET stuff and "crop index" is what you use to impress people or what you share with board members and members that have to ask questions.
    I use that stuff as a benchmark and then use individual station adjusts...everywhere.
    Light/Deep...that's up to you.
    I remember what a very smart man told me..."golf is played on top of the grass, not in the soil. If you feel you have to feed your soil and drive down your roots, go for it. Golfers only care about the surface".



  6. Mark Van Lienden
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    11/15/2011 7:11 AM
    I have worked under variuos conditions.Out west where it can go 6 months without rain what your asking has a lot more meaning than where I am now where we avreage 3 inches every month.We can get 5 or more inches in a day.I only watered fairways twice this year.I water when it needs it and try to move it out when it doesent.
    Mark



  7. John Hansgen
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    11/15/2011 9:11 AM
    thetrev said: I'm hesitant to give away my secret, but here it goes...I water according to what the plant needs. All that ET stuff and "crop index" is what you use to impress people or what you share with board members and members that have to ask questions.
    I use that stuff as a benchmark and then use individual station adjusts...everywhere.
    Light/Deep...that's up to you.
    I remember what a very smart man told me..."golf is played on top of the grass, not in the soil. If you feel you have to feed your soil and drive down your roots, go for it. Golfers only care about the surface".

    I used to live in Gilbert. Lone Tree was a nice option while we were closed at Alta Mesa. I was mostly interested in seeing strategies, obviously different regions are going to have different requirements, and daily adjustments are going to help to improve efficiency. I was interested to see if anyone had drastic differences in similar situations.
    Thanks again for the response and I need a replacement Lone Tree Bucket Hat, maybe I'll see you in sunny AZ one of these springs.



  8. Melvin Waldron
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    11/15/2011 10:11 AM
    I was a deep and infrequent disciple in the past and still try to think that way.

    While young and just working on golf courses as part of the crew in Florida we would water frequently and probably light, maybe a 1/4" (20 minutes per station)

    When in Northern NJ and Northern Indiana I was really deep and infrequent, although I do wonder how deep I was watering at some places (would usually do 20 minutes which seems to be in most irrigation designs 1/4" but have learned installs are not always perfect). The second place I worked we had manual irrigation, we would go for as long as we could dragging hoses and then we would water greens for at least 1/2 hour, had water running off everywhere, but would water around every 5 days, occasionally going every 3 during extreme conditions. When I worked for a county in NJ when I first started they were watering 10 minutes every morning, I switched it to 20 minute cycles and would go for 3 to 5 days or more if possible. Another county course we got into a drought situation and I started bumping up to 30 minute cycles but got into a cycle and soak mode, and did that on through Indiana.

    When I got here in the transition zone I tried the same thing but was less successful, now depending on the weather and such during the summer I'll run greens (bent) from 3 to 8 minutes pretty much every morning unless rain is predicted and then water 20 to 30 minute cycles maybe once a week depending on how the soil feels moisture wise, received a good rain, or if it coincides with an application of some sort. I would really like to get into moisture meter readings but we haven't broke down and purchased one yet.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  9. Christopher Lewis
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    11/15/2011 10:11 AM
    I try and stay with the deep and infrequent rule on my greens, as I only water them every 5 days during the heat of the summer. the only problem is we do not have backup heads on our greens so the bluegrass rough smokes out after no water for 2 days. but I would rather set up mister kits and handwater mounds around the greens then to water greens every night just to satisfy the water requirement for the rough.
    I do not use ET i go on what the greens look like and what my soil probe tells me, and what the forecast is for the next few days.
    Fairways tees and rough are a different story, with heavy clay soils I can not get much water to penetrate, so I do more of a light and frequent water in these areas.
    Being in Colorado where we can go 4 months with no rain, and humidity levels in the teens, water management is probably my #1 most important job.



  10. John Hansgen
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    11/25/2011 3:11 PM
    Thanks for the replies.



  11. Ryan Bruner
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    11/30/2011 10:11 AM
    I've mostly been on the light and frequent water schedule. For some reason I decided to go the deep and infrequent this year. I had very good results with it. Kept the roots on my bent greens down pretty much all summer, even with the hottest summer on record in Oklahoma. Being the skeptic I am, I did leave on green on the light and frequent watering. On average the roots were 2" deeper on the deep water schedule. I can't tell you it would work every year, but it did this year for me. Bottom line I think you have to adjust to your area and climate as each year changes. Best of luck.

    Ryan



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