Megyn Kelly... Santa and Jesus Cancel The title field is required!

1. Ashton Alan W

   
   12/13/2013 8:12 AM

   Found this after poking around when I gave Sandy some grief for his post the other day...
   
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XYlJqf4dLI
   
   Love to hear her sources for this "verifiable fact"...
   
   Edit: to note that I hadn't got to the other thread this morning to see that it was covered!

   
   
   
   
2. Peter Bowman

   

   11 posts
   
   12/13/2013 9:12 AM

   How about the Abominable Snowman?

   
   
   
   
3. Steve Nelson

   

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   12/13/2013 10:12 AM

   I am fairly certain that Jack Frost is a white dude. Blonde with some of those fancy frosted tips. Can't verify though.

   
   
   
   
4. Sandy Clark

   

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   12/13/2013 12:12 PM

   I saw Santa cheating on Mrs. Santa with a neighbor young hottie when I was growing up. I was traumatized but Santa was indeed white!

   
   
   
   
5. Gary Carls

   

   19 posts
   
   12/13/2013 12:12 PM

   Where's Gumby??? Oh yeah, he's a green dude. And Pete, please don't mention "snowman" in anything related to golf. It's best to lie and either take a 7 or 9.

   
   Gary K. Carls, CGCS, President - Oakland Turfgrass Education Initiative
   
   
6. Trevor Monreal

   

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   12/13/2013 1:12 PM

   I think what Megan Kelly was trying to say is, "It's a verifiable fact, if you already have a white Jesus you can keep your white Jesus...PERIOD". She didn't mislead anybody.
   By the way, what in the world was that conversation about anyway. If having a white Santa is disturbing to a black child what about black children that are adopted into a white family???
   What about the children of interracial marriages???
   President Obama's mother was white and he was brought up by his white grandparents.
   I may disagree with the man but he seems to have turned out OK.

   
   
   
   
7. Sandy Clark

   

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   12/13/2013 2:12 PM

   It shows how stupid this politically correct world has become.It was just a light piece on Megyn's show and if anyone is offended they are complete idiots. The even bigger idiots are the ones trying to make a racist thing out of it. Santa comes from St. Nicholas who was indeed a white man. That cannot be disputed. Jesus was born in the middle east in Bethlehem. Last I looked, they are also white folk! Who gets offended by these things? The truth is the left wants to tarnish Megyn Kelly's image by making her into something she isn't and try to hurt her!

   
   
   
   
8. Steven Huffstutler

   

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   12/13/2013 4:12 PM

   Sandy Clark, CGCS said: It shows how stupid this politically correct world has become.It was just a light piece on Megyn's show and if anyone is offended they are complete idiots. The even bigger idiots are the ones trying to make a racist thing out of it. Santa comes from St. Nicholas who was indeed a white man. That cannot be disputed. Jesus was born in the middle east in Bethlehem. Last I looked, they are also white folk! Who gets offended by these things? The truth is the left wants to tarnish Megyn Kelly's image by making her into something she isn't and try to hurt her!

   
   
   She was the one who was offended, not the other way around.
   
   Just for the record, Santa's not white. He's imaginary. He doesn't exist, therefor, he can't be white.
   Jesus wasn't white either. Assuming he even existed, which is debatable, he was a first century Palestinian Jew. He wasn't white.

   
   
   
   
9. Sandy Clark

   

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   12/13/2013 4:12 PM

   Steve, how many races are there? Middle Eastern people are still considered white. St. Nicholas did exist and he was the basis for Santa Claus! Therefore, the real source of Santa, namely St. Nick was white which makes the fictional Santa white. I rest my case!

   
   
   
   
10. Clay Putnam

    

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    12/13/2013 6:12 PM

    Bad news, Fellas.
    
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11. Peter Bowman

    

    11 posts
    
    12/14/2013 9:12 AM

    Gary Carls, CGCS said: Where's Gumby??? Oh yeah, he's a green dude.
    
    And Pokey's brown.
    
    And Pete, please don't mention "snowman" in anything related to golf. It's best to lie and either take a 7 or 9.

    
    
    Gary, I know you're familiar with Orinda CC. My two sons, my father-in-law, and I were playing there several years ago. My youngest was about nine years old then. He must have had about fifteen 8s during the round. We nicknamed him The Orinda Snowman.

    
    
    
    
12. Melvin Waldron

    

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    12/14/2013 5:12 PM

    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: Steve, how many races are there? Middle Eastern people are still considered white. St. Nicholas did exist and he was the basis for Santa Claus! Therefore, the real source of Santa, namely St. Nick was white which makes the fictional Santa white. I rest my case!

    
    
    I have heard that St. Nicholas was from Greece, really part of Turkey now, yea he could have been white, but maybe not.
    
    Stewart covered it on The Daily Show.
    
    Mel

    
    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
    
    
13. James Schmid

    

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    12/15/2013 8:12 AM

    Santa is from the North Pole. Therefore he is most likely Eskimo or Inuit or something like that

    
    
    
    
14. Melvin Waldron

    

    43 posts
    
    12/15/2013 1:12 PM

    James Schmid said: Santa is from the North Pole. Therefore he is most likely Eskimo or Inuit or something like that

    
    That's true too, Megyn is not going to be happy about this. Of course the real issue is it doesn't really matter. Don't know why they concentrate on important stuff.
    
    Mel

    
    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
    
    
15. Keith Pegg

    

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    12/15/2013 7:12 PM

    The Legend of St. Nicholas
    The legend of Santa Claus can be goes back hundreds of years to a monk named St. Nicholas. It is thought that Nicholas was born sometime around 280 A.D. in Patara, (modern-day Turkey). Admired kindness, St. Nicholas became the subject of many legends. He gave away all of his wealth and traveled the countryside helping the poor and sick. One of the best known of the St. Nicholas stories is that he saved three poor sisters from being sold into slavery or prostitution by their father by providing them with a dowry so that they could be married. Over the course of many years, Nicholas's popularity spread and he became known as the protector of children and sailors. His feast day is celebrated on the anniversary of his death, December 6. This was traditionally considered a lucky day to make large purchases or to get married. By the Renaissance, St. Nicholas was the most popular saint in Europe. Even after the Protestant Reformation, when the veneration of saints began to be discouraged, St. Nicholas maintained a positive reputation, especially in Holland.
    As for color more than likely he was very dark as were the people of that area. And that is not European.
    Keith

    
    
    
    
16. James Geiger

    

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    12/16/2013 6:12 AM

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people
    
    they look white to me

    
    
    
    
17. Ashton Alan W

    
    12/16/2013 8:12 AM

    Steven Huffstutler, CGCS said:

    Sandy Clark, CGCS said: It shows how stupid this politically correct world has become.It was just a light piece on Megyn's show and if anyone is offended they are complete idiots. The even bigger idiots are the ones trying to make a racist thing out of it. Santa comes from St. Nicholas who was indeed a white man. That cannot be disputed. Jesus was born in the middle east in Bethlehem. Last I looked, they are also white folk! Who gets offended by these things? The truth is the left wants to tarnish Megyn Kelly's image by making her into something she isn't and try to hurt her!

    
    
    She was the one who was offended, not the other way around.
    
    Just for the record, Santa's not white. He's imaginary. He doesn't exist, therefor, he can't be white.
    Jesus wasn't white either. Assuming he even existed, which is debatable, he was a first century Palestinian Jew. He wasn't white.

    
    
    I agree... she states that the writer (Harris) claims it's "racist to have a white Santa"... Sorry Megyn, I read the article and she does not say that!! Later, Megyn says she stated that "we should also have a black Santa"... again, not true Megyn!! If you actually read the piece, she only makes the point that perhaps it's time for a makeover. The suggestion of a penguin replacing St. Nick is interesting...
    
    The Abominable Snowman is not a "verifiable fact"... your in Cali Pete, should have gone with Sasquatch!
    
    Jack Frost... 30 years in AZ tells me I should reserve judgement.
    
    Megyn's assertion that Jesus was "a historical figure" and "that's a verifiable fact"... by definition, he is a historical figure and I did verify that on the interwebs...

    
    
    
    
18. Clay Putnam

    

    33 posts
    
    12/18/2013 6:12 AM

    An interesting take. Credit Mike McConnell:
    
    
    Mike McConnell
    December 16
    A writer for Slate.com, Aisha Harris wrote a column called "Santa Claus Should Not Be a White Man Anymore".
    
    Megyn Kelly on fox said "Santa Claus is White."
    
    Only one of these two is being singled out for racial insensitivity and if you don't already know, you can probably guess which one.
    
    It's a stupid argument but I've never shied away from one of those so let's go. Santa Claus is traditionally white just as he, traditionally (in the U.S.) wears a red and white suit and has eight reindeer. We could just as easily switch him to a jolly old elf in denim overalls and give him ten reindeer but what would be the point?
    
    Santa Claus provided for me some of the most exciting and magical memories I had as a child. My sister and I would stay up late and stare at the sky the through the bedroom windows and I was sure I'd actually seen him fly by - too high to tell for sure but I thought so.
    
    I fast forward to my daughter and how antsy she was putting out the milk and cookies the night before. When she'd gone to bed and my work was done I moved the fireplace screen away from the hearth and when she went downstairs in the morning she KNEW who left those presents and showed me the shifted screen as proof. She knew I'd be as amazed as she was.
    
    The lesson of Santa Claus is one of selfless giving. For years someone else gets all the credit. You're not going to get a "thank you" or a high five. You just have fun with it. And one day it will be up to them to pass the magic on.
    
    But for all this to work, you have to have a consistent narrative, one that all the kids have bought into and perhaps most importantly, what the guy looks like and you have that image in your head right now.
    
    We've all seen a guy dressed as Santa who can't quite pull off the look and thought "That's a bad Santa." Or you have the guy doing the Chevy commercials for the past few Holiday seasons who is perfect even though he's dressed as a car salesman. "Great Santa."
    
    You can make your Santa any color you want him to be but you'll likely screw up some of the magic for your kid, or at least cause him to question the whole idea much earlier than he otherwise would have.
    
    Harris doesn't like the notion of "white as default" in the U.S., but
    Santa is not just a U.S. tradition. Not that it should matter but he's based loosely on St. Nicholas, a Greek Bishop, later adopted at Sinterklaas by the Dutch, Father Christmas in England and others elsewhere. It's a European concept.
    
    You're not going to see Black or Asian or Indian Santa Clauses in commercials anytime soon because parents of all colors would throw a collective fit. Not because they're bigots. It's because the advertiser is screwing up the story which undermines the believability in the magic.
    
    If you have a problem with your kids believing in a white Santa, look into sensitivity training. Maybe they have a family plan.
    
    By the way, I googled "Images of Santa in Kenya" and he's white there too.

    
    
    
    
19. Peter Bowman

    

    11 posts
    
    12/18/2013 7:12 AM

    Clay Putnam, CGCS said: An interesting take. Credit Mike McConnell:
    
    
    Mike McConnell
    December 16
    A writer for Slate.com, Aisha Harris wrote a column called "Santa Claus Should Not Be a White Man Anymore".
    
    Megyn Kelly on fox said "Santa Claus is White."
    
    Only one of these two is being singled out for racial insensitivity and if you don't already know, you can probably guess which one.
    
    

    
    
    What I took as most interesting.

    
    
    
    
20. Brandon Cobb

    

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    12/18/2013 8:12 AM

    Well done!

    Clay Putnam, CGCS said: An interesting take. Credit Mike McConnell:
    
    
    Mike McConnell
    December 16
    A writer for Slate.com, Aisha Harris wrote a column called "Santa Claus Should Not Be a White Man Anymore".
    
    Megyn Kelly on fox said "Santa Claus is White."
    
    Only one of these two is being singled out for racial insensitivity and if you don't already know, you can probably guess which one.
    
    It's a stupid argument but I've never shied away from one of those so let's go. Santa Claus is traditionally white just as he, traditionally (in the U.S.) wears a red and white suit and has eight reindeer. We could just as easily switch him to a jolly old elf in denim overalls and give him ten reindeer but what would be the point?
    
    Santa Claus provided for me some of the most exciting and magical memories I had as a child. My sister and I would stay up late and stare at the sky the through the bedroom windows and I was sure I'd actually seen him fly by - too high to tell for sure but I thought so.
    
    I fast forward to my daughter and how antsy she was putting out the milk and cookies the night before. When she'd gone to bed and my work was done I moved the fireplace screen away from the hearth and when she went downstairs in the morning she KNEW who left those presents and showed me the shifted screen as proof. She knew I'd be as amazed as she was.
    
    The lesson of Santa Claus is one of selfless giving. For years someone else gets all the credit. You're not going to get a "thank you" or a high five. You just have fun with it. And one day it will be up to them to pass the magic on.
    
    But for all this to work, you have to have a consistent narrative, one that all the kids have bought into and perhaps most importantly, what the guy looks like and you have that image in your head right now.
    
    We've all seen a guy dressed as Santa who can't quite pull off the look and thought "That's a bad Santa." Or you have the guy doing the Chevy commercials for the past few Holiday seasons who is perfect even though he's dressed as a car salesman. "Great Santa."
    
    You can make your Santa any color you want him to be but you'll likely screw up some of the magic for your kid, or at least cause him to question the whole idea much earlier than he otherwise would have.
    
    Harris doesn't like the notion of "white as default" in the U.S., but
    Santa is not just a U.S. tradition. Not that it should matter but he's based loosely on St. Nicholas, a Greek Bishop, later adopted at Sinterklaas by the Dutch, Father Christmas in England and others elsewhere. It's a European concept.
    
    You're not going to see Black or Asian or Indian Santa Clauses in commercials anytime soon because parents of all colors would throw a collective fit. Not because they're bigots. It's because the advertiser is screwing up the story which undermines the believability in the magic.
    
    If you have a problem with your kids believing in a white Santa, look into sensitivity training. Maybe they have a family plan.
    
    By the way, I googled "Images of Santa in Kenya" and he's white there too.

    
    
    
    
21. Melvin Waldron

    

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    12/18/2013 8:12 AM

    That's a good story and take on it Clay. I can agree with it.
    
    Megyn's problem along with many on Fox is they want to show that there is this "War on Christmas" and she used this story to try to show there is. I'm sure it's just done to increase ratings. I don't think if they didn't bring it up, the "War on Christmas" it wouldn't exist (jmo). If they would have been concentrating on the real issues of the budget deal and what it means to people and businesses, (I think they are the ones that are happy, because now they know there will be some stability for the next two years), this would have never been an issue. That article that she referenced would have barely or never been noticed.
    
    In my opinion I do not believe there is a war on Christmas, I know schools have changed Christmas parties to Holiday parties, I believe so everyone is included, and to be more sensitive. I guess in a school with a higher Jewish or Islamic or atheist population it is more welcomed? But also they don't hold them on Christmas so why does it necessarily have to be called Christmas parties? I think too much of a big deal is made about this. It is the Holiday season.
    
    Businesses have clamored onto Holiday more so than Christmas alone, because maybe it means more business. Green is always the winner, just like when people complain about having to press 1 for English, if a business didn't have Spanish speaking customers they wouldn't bother with asking, they are just providing a service for their customers, but I digress.
    
    I don't think there is a war on Christmas, I still get to celebrate it with my family, and I also celebrate the "Holiday Season" throughout this time from Thanksgiving through New Years, (even later this year with the BCS Championship game).
    
    And I still believe in Santa, this year I think he will look like our dog.
    
    Mel

    
    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO
    
    
22. James Schmid

    

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    12/18/2013 8:12 AM

    Are we still at war? Like actual war with guns and people getting killed and stuff? The real tragedy here is not that someone wants to turn jolly old st. nick into a transgender gay Buddhist Chinese midget or whatever, its that people are actually talking about this BS as if it matters. Who gives a F@&k. We should all be ashamed that we have even posted here.

    
    
    
    
23. Sandy Clark

    

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    12/18/2013 9:12 AM

    James, I think the topic is more of a discussion on race and what is considered racism rather than Santa himself. I think the majority of people in this country have had it with political correctness and the racism charges. It is just showing how it even ties into Christmas, the entire reason for the holidays this time of year. Maybe people are tired of the Grinch stealing Christmas and everything affiliated with it. Think about it, some of the most beautiful songs cannot be performed at schools or performed in some venues because heaven forbid, they refer to Christ or God. Why have so few had the right to reduce the seasonal joy for the vast majority of Americans. As I have said before, there is no right in America to never be offended. We are fighting a case in San Diego brought by an atheist, who long ago died and the ACLU found a very few Jewish war vets that seem to be offended by a cross originally built in 1913. In 1950, it was replaced and became a war memorial. Veterans of all faiths and even atheists have placards at the base of the cross. It can barely be seen unless you go up to Mt. Soledad. The cross might have to come down for a very few intolerant people. The cross isn't trying to convert anyone to anything. Hopefully this will go back to the Supreme Court, where it has won before. Yes, people are making a big thing over basically nothing but I think it is the deeper feeling of intolerance that really drives this topic.

    
    
    
    
24. Wahlin Scott B

    
    12/18/2013 11:12 AM

    James Schmid said: Are we still at war? Like actual war with guns and people getting killed and stuff? The real tragedy here is not that someone wants to turn jolly old st. nick into a transgender gay Buddhist Chinese midget or whatever, its that people are actually talking about this BS as if it matters. Who gives a F@&k. We should all be ashamed that we have even posted here.

    
    
    Fox Newsies give a fuck. That is all.

    
    
    
    
25. Trevor Monreal

    

    5 posts
    
    12/18/2013 2:12 PM

    James Schmid said: Are we still at war? Like actual war with guns and people getting killed and stuff? The real tragedy here is not that someone wants to turn jolly old st. nick into a transgender gay Buddhist Chinese midget or whatever, its that people are actually talking about this BS as if it matters. Who gives a F@&k. We should all be ashamed that we have even posted here.

    
    I think this is exactly why we are at war and brave individuals sacrifice so much.
    So we are free to talk about this BS as if it matters.
    I bet people in China, Cuba, etc. wish they could post a little bit of BS here and there.

    
    
    
    
26. Ashton Alan W

    
    12/20/2013 1:12 PM

    Trevor Monreal said:

    James Schmid said: Are we still at war? Like actual war with guns and people getting killed and stuff? The real tragedy here is not that someone wants to turn jolly old st. nick into a transgender gay Buddhist Chinese midget or whatever, its that people are actually talking about this BS as if it matters. Who gives a F@&k. We should all be ashamed that we have even posted here.

    
    I think this is exactly why we are at war and brave individuals sacrifice so much.
    So we are free to talk about this BS as if it matters.
    I bet people in China, Cuba, etc. wish they could post a little bit of BS here and there.

    
    
    Trevor... this, I can agree with you on my friend!
    
    Here's a thread killer... I hope... wrapped it up for me for the most part anyway...
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alikj9WcMrU