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  1. Keith Lamb
    Keith Lamb avatar
    3 posts
    1/26/2012 8:01 AM
    {This message has been removed in conjunction with GCSAA's forum policies.} Tired of seeing this message.


    This is just getting ridiculous. Are we not all adults here(technically)? Is "WTH" acceptable? Can I use the word "Frick?" "Gosh darnit?" "Heck?" The censorship down to Kindergarten level conversation I think needs to be addressed. I would like to see the guidelines that they are using. The FCC is less strict than the forum police.

    What do you guys think? Is this a non-issue? Just seems so arbitrary.



  2. Andy Jorgensen
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    1 posts
    1/26/2012 1:01 PM
    It would be nice to see some sort of written criteria. I've seen some things removed I've felt were perfectly fine, while other things that are just down right offensive or gross left alone.



  3. Keith Lamb
    Keith Lamb avatar
    3 posts
    1/26/2012 3:01 PM
    Maybe I'm just to (insert expletive here) sensitive. Should I really give a (insert expletive here) ?



  4. Stephen Okula
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    3 posts
    1/26/2012 3:01 PM
    Fogging iceholes!



  5. Richard Lavine
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    3 posts
    1/26/2012 4:01 PM
    Here are the forum policies that were derived by past committee and BOD action, and are reviewed as necessary by committee.

    Use of Communications Forums
    To the extent these sites contain forums, chat rooms, or other message or communication facilities, the user agrees to use such forums only to send and receive messages and material that are proper and related to the particular forum.

    You agree to NOT post anything that

    1.is patently offensive and promotes racism, bigotry, hatred or physical harm of any kind against any group or individual;
    2.harasses or advocates harassment of another person;
    3.exploits people in a sexual or violent manner;
    4.contains nudity, violence, or offensive subject matter or contains a link to an adult Web site;
    5.promotes information that you know is false or misleading or promotes illegal activities or conduct that is abusive, threatening, obscene, defamatory or libelous;
    6.promotes an illegal or unauthorized copy of another person's copyrighted work, such as providing pirated computer programs or links to them, providing information to circumvent manufacture-installed copy-protect devices, or providing pirated music or links to pirated music files;
    7.involves the transmission of "junk mail," "chain letters," or unsolicited mass mailing, instant messaging, "spimming," or "spamming";
    8.contains restricted or password only access pages or hidden pages or images (those not linked to or from another accessible page);
    9.furthers or promotes any criminal activity or enterprise or provides instructional information about illegal activities including, but not limited to making or buying illegal weapons, violating someone's privacy, or providing or creating computer viruses;
    10.solicits passwords or personal identifying information for commercial or unlawful purposes from other Users;
    11.involves commercial activities and/or sales without our prior written consent such as contests, sweepstakes, barter, advertising, or pyramid schemes;
    12.includes a photograph of another person that you have posted without that person's consent.


    I would suggest more formally communicating with staff or board members to discuss these issues to see if certain language standards can be relaxed. BTW, staff is only doing what the BOD and GCSAA management have mandated.



  6. Keith Lamb
    Keith Lamb avatar
    3 posts
    1/26/2012 5:01 PM
    Richard Lavine, CGCS said: Here are the forum policies that were derived by past committee and BOD action, and are reviewed as necessary by committee.

    Use of Communications Forums
    To the extent these sites contain forums, chat rooms, or other message or communication facilities, the user agrees to use such forums only to send and receive messages and material that are proper and related to the particular forum.

    You agree to NOT post anything that

    1.is patently offensive and promotes racism, bigotry, hatred or physical harm of any kind against any group or individual;
    2.harasses or advocates harassment of another person;
    3.exploits people in a sexual or violent manner;
    4.contains nudity, violence, or offensive subject matter or contains a link to an adult Web site;
    5.promotes information that you know is false or misleading or promotes illegal activities or conduct that is abusive, threatening, obscene, defamatory or libelous;
    6.promotes an illegal or unauthorized copy of another person's copyrighted work, such as providing pirated computer programs or links to them, providing information to circumvent manufacture-installed copy-protect devices, or providing pirated music or links to pirated music files;
    7.involves the transmission of "junk mail," "chain letters," or unsolicited mass mailing, instant messaging, "spimming," or "spamming";
    8.contains restricted or password only access pages or hidden pages or images (those not linked to or from another accessible page);
    9.furthers or promotes any criminal activity or enterprise or provides instructional information about illegal activities including, but not limited to making or buying illegal weapons, violating someone's privacy, or providing or creating computer viruses;
    10.solicits passwords or personal identifying information for commercial or unlawful purposes from other Users;
    11.involves commercial activities and/or sales without our prior written consent such as contests, sweepstakes, barter, advertising, or pyramid schemes;
    12.includes a photograph of another person that you have posted without that person's consent.


    I would suggest more formally communicating with staff or board members to discuss these issues to see if certain language standards can be relaxed. BTW, staff is only doing what the BOD and GCSAA management have mandated.


    The highlighted part is the only section that could be loosely interpreted to be the basis for the censorship. "Patently offensive" ......hmm. Patently basically means .."openly, plainly, or clearly." If that is the only basis for the censorship then it is more arbitrary than I originally thought.

    Loosen up GCSAA. My feelings are if we are censoring posts that are just alluding or suggesting a particular expletive as long as they are not directed at someone then I say chill out. Are milder forms of obscene words acceptable? Is "screw it" okay? How about "gosh darn nit", "heck", "butt.?" Using symbols to censor ourselves should be acceptable. Who is doing the censoring? What are their guidelines? At least Adina gave you an explanation. [size=50">I miss Adina....[/size">



  7. Andy Jorgensen
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    1 posts
    1/26/2012 7:01 PM
    Keith Lamb said:

    At least Adina gave you an explanation. [size=50">I miss Adina....[/size">


    Thats like when my wife says she's mad at me, but won't tell me why so I can fix it.

    If I don't know how I screwed up, how can I keep from doing it again?



  8. Melvin Waldron
    Melvin Waldron avatar
    43 posts
    1/26/2012 8:01 PM
    Richard Lavine, CGCS said: Here are the forum policies that were derived by past committee and BOD action, and are reviewed as necessary by committee.

    Use of Communications Forums
    To the extent these sites contain forums, chat rooms, or other message or communication facilities, the user agrees to use such forums only to send and receive messages and material that are proper and related to the particular forum.

    You agree to NOT post anything that

    1.is patently offensive and promotes racism, bigotry, hatred or physical harm of any kind against any group or individual;
    2.harasses or advocates harassment of another person;
    3.exploits people in a sexual or violent manner;
    4.contains nudity, violence, or offensive subject matter or contains a link to an adult Web site;
    5.promotes information that you know is false or misleading or promotes illegal activities or conduct that is abusive, threatening, obscene, defamatory or libelous;
    6.promotes an illegal or unauthorized copy of another person's copyrighted work, such as providing pirated computer programs or links to them, providing information to circumvent manufacture-installed copy-protect devices, or providing pirated music or links to pirated music files;
    7.involves the transmission of "junk mail," "chain letters," or unsolicited mass mailing, instant messaging, "spimming," or "spamming";
    8.contains restricted or password only access pages or hidden pages or images (those not linked to or from another accessible page);
    9.furthers or promotes any criminal activity or enterprise or provides instructional information about illegal activities including, but not limited to making or buying illegal weapons, violating someone's privacy, or providing or creating computer viruses;
    10.solicits passwords or personal identifying information for commercial or unlawful purposes from other Users;
    11.involves commercial activities and/or sales without our prior written consent such as contests, sweepstakes, barter, advertising, or pyramid schemes;
    12.includes a photograph of another person that you have posted without that person's consent.


    I would suggest more formally communicating with staff or board members to discuss these issues to see if certain language standards can be relaxed. BTW, staff is only doing what the BOD and GCSAA management have mandated.


    Gee with number 5 does that mean we should probably drop the politics thread?

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  9. Stephen Okula
    Stephen Okula avatar
    3 posts
    1/27/2012 12:01 AM
    Richard Lavine, CGCS said: Here are the forum policies that were derived by past committee and BOD action, and are reviewed as necessary by committee.

    Use of Communications Forums
    To the extent these sites contain forums, chat rooms, or other message or communication facilities, the user agrees to use such forums only to send and receive messages and material that are proper and related to the particular forum.

    You agree to NOT post anything that

    1.is patently offensive and promotes racism, bigotry, hatred or physical harm of any kind against any group or individual;
    2.harasses or advocates harassment of another person;
    3.exploits people in a sexual or violent manner;
    4.contains nudity, violence, or offensive subject matter or contains a link to an adult Web site;
    5.promotes information that you know is false or misleading or promotes illegal activities or conduct that is abusive, threatening, obscene, defamatory or libelous;
    6.promotes an illegal or unauthorized copy of another person's copyrighted work, such as providing pirated computer programs or links to them, providing information to circumvent manufacture-installed copy-protect devices, or providing pirated music or links to pirated music files;
    7.involves the transmission of "junk mail," "chain letters," or unsolicited mass mailing, instant messaging, "spimming," or "spamming";
    8.contains restricted or password only access pages or hidden pages or images (those not linked to or from another accessible page);
    9.furthers or promotes any criminal activity or enterprise or provides instructional information about illegal activities including, but not limited to making or buying illegal weapons, violating someone's privacy, or providing or creating computer viruses;
    10.solicits passwords or personal identifying information for commercial or unlawful purposes from other Users;
    11.involves commercial activities and/or sales without our prior written consent such as contests, sweepstakes, barter, advertising, or pyramid schemes;
    12.includes a photograph of another person that you have posted without that person's consent.


    I would suggest more formally communicating with staff or board members to discuss these issues to see if certain language standards can be relaxed. BTW, staff is only doing what the BOD and GCSAA management have mandated.


    Another exclusion for political threads.



  10. McCallum David K
    McCallum David K avatar
    1/27/2012 9:01 AM
    It's patently clear to me now!



  11. Sean Hoolehan
    Sean Hoolehan avatar
    0 posts
    1/27/2012 10:01 AM
    I have found the the ability to block individuals posts as a way to easily cut the offensive locker room chatter that often pops up here. I still might read some of these posts by clicking on them individually if there is a topic that i am personally interested in but when a topic is dominated with people who I block i do not waste any time with it. Personally I am glad that GCSAA is removing some offensive content, I highly doubt it added anything to the value of my membership in GCSAA. I currently block 4 individuals (out of over 1000's of registred users) not a very big list, and not a big deal.

    Sean



  12. Larry Allan
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    0 posts
    1/27/2012 11:01 AM
    Sean Hoolehan, CGCS said: I have found the the ability to block individuals posts as a way to easily cut the offensive locker room chatter that often pops up here. I still might read some of these posts by clicking on them individually if there is a topic that i am personally interested in but when a topic is dominated with people who I block i do not waste any time with it. Personally I am glad that GCSAA is removing some offensive content, I highly doubt it added anything to the value of my membership in GCSAA. I currently block 4 individuals (out of over 1000's of registred users) not a very big list, and not a big deal.

    Sean


    I wanted to respond to you Sean, but unfortunately, you wouldn't get it



  13. Sean Hoolehan
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    1/27/2012 11:01 AM
    I wanted to respond to you Sean, but unfortunately, you wouldn't get it

    You have a pretty high opinion of yourself Larry,



  14. Bollig Jeff
    Bollig Jeff avatar
    1/27/2012 1:01 PM
    GCSAA Members,

    Sorry for the delay as I was travelling late last night. Thanks for the discussion on the policies. As staff, we're certainly not trying to be heavy-handed, and we hope this will help explain our approach to the process.

    First, reviewing the forums is shared among the communications team, although other team members will use the forums to keep up with what's going on in the profession. We rotate the responsibility, and typically whoever is assigned will check in a few times, subject to other projects, meetings and deadlines that are happening that day.

    When we check the forums, here's what we're on the lookout for:

    · Member questions and feedback. Depending on the topic, we'll try to get an answer and respond back on the forums, or route the message to a staff member who can respond to it.
    · Content issues – profanity, threatening messages, explicit material, etc. This is clearly the most controversial area, so I'll address this one in more detail separately.
    · Commercial/antitrust issues. We look for any aggressively commercial postings, and check to make sure product discussions don't head down the road of encouraging boycotting certain companies or price fixing.
    · Reported posts. We'll review messages that have been reported by other members.
    · Threads out of place. If a topic is out of place and hasn't already generated a lot of feedback, we'll move it to a more appropriate location.

    What's considered profanity? We approach it like this: If you can say it on TV (network, not cable), then it's probably acceptable. If not, it probably qualifies. On the use of symbols, initials, acronyms and creative spellings, here's what we use: If you can figure out the word, or if you would read it as that word, it qualifies.

    We've also had a few instances in which items that were meant to be humorous were unintentionally derogatory toward a group of people in terms of ethnicity, sexual orientation, gender, etc. That's something we have to be sensitive to, so they've been removed for that reason. In other areas, we rely on your feedback to know what crosses the line – some items may be gross, but are they offensively disgusting? If it's in a "gray" area and we don't hear from you, we'll usually err on the side of leaving it alone.

    Do we catch everything and are we perfectly consistent? Not at all. It is a subjective process, and it's not our intent to be continuously monitoring the forums.

    We know that many of you miss the old process where a staff member would contact you with a request to edit your message. Like many of you, we're trying to do more with less, and we just don't have the resources to do that anymore. That said, if you ever have any questions, just ask. And, if you see a message that is inappropriate, we encourage you to use the "report this post" button (the "!" on the message) and let us know.

    Because it is a forum for members, we really try to let the conversations go as much as possible, and we've added forums such as Politics and Sports Talk so you can get to know each other beyond work-related topics. At the same time, it is still a professional forum, so we need some policies to guide it. If there are particular changes you'd like to see, let us know and we can ask the Strategic Communications Committee to review them later this year.

    Again, we hope this helps clarify the process, but realize you may have more questions. If you do, let us know, and if you would like to refer to the full current policy, here's a direct link to it:

    http://www.gcsaa.org/GCSAA-forum-policy.aspx

    Jeff Bollig
    Sr. Director of Communications



  15. Larry Allan
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    1/27/2012 2:01 PM
    Sean Hoolehan, CGCS said: I wanted to respond to you Sean, but unfortunately, you wouldn't get it


    You have a pretty high opinion of yourself Larry,

    Actually I have a pretty low opinion of myself Sean. I just thought that because we've had a couple of minor set to's in the past and that I am not overly tolerant of organized religion, that I might have made your list. I'm trying hard to picture who the 4 are. I'm thinking i at least deserve honourable mention consideration.



  16. Sean Hoolehan
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    0 posts
    1/27/2012 4:01 PM
    I'm thinking i at least deserve honourable mention consideration.

    Larry,

    Mention yes, honourable well sometimes. We all have our moments.



  17. Peter Bowman
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    11 posts
    1/27/2012 5:01 PM
    Larry Allan said:
    Sean Hoolehan, CGCS said: I wanted to respond to you Sean, but unfortunately, you wouldn't get it


    You have a pretty high opinion of yourself Larry,


    ....... I'm trying hard to picture who the 4 are.

    I could send you a picture



  18. Steven Kurta
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    2 posts
    1/27/2012 7:01 PM
    Blocking or "cloaking" is common in most forums. It's a nice feature that makes communities easier to handle and in the long run keeps people around more than drives them away. It lets people take or leave content as they see fit -- "a la carte", so to speak. It's better than getting all HULK SMASH when people, or posts, push your button.



  19. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    1/27/2012 7:01 PM
    Thanks Jeff for the explanation.

    Sean, I didn't realize the forum and we had that ability to block? Not that I'm wanting to do that, but how is that done?

    Thanks, Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  20. Andy Jorgensen
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    1 posts
    1/28/2012 7:01 AM
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said: Thanks Jeff for the explanation.

    Sean, I didn't realize the forum and we had that ability to block? Not that I'm wanting to do that, but how is that done?

    Thanks, Mel


    He won't see it Mel. You're one of the 4.



  21. Keith Lamb
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    3 posts
    1/28/2012 8:01 AM
    Andy Jorgensen said:
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said: Thanks Jeff for the explanation.

    Sean, I didn't realize the forum and we had that ability to block? Not that I'm wanting to do that, but how is that done?

    Thanks, Mel


    He won't see it Mel. You're one of the 4.



    Plus he is too busy riding his high horse around the locker looking for more value to his membership.



  22. Sean Hoolehan
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    0 posts
    1/28/2012 10:01 AM
    Sean, I didn't realize the forum and we had that ability to block? Not that I'm wanting to do that, but how is that done?

    Thanks, Mel


    Mel,

    You find it in the user control panel under friend and foe. Block is kind of a strong word for this. It is more of a filter. You see the person has posted but it will take a extra click to open their posts. It is a tool. I use it for filtering a few prolific posters, offensive profile pictures, or mean spirited deliberately hurtful ("in my opinion" if you are trying to offend someone, don't be offended when you succeed) posters. The 4 currently filtered i have no interest in reading, it does not hurt anyone but me and them.

    I enjoy debate as much as anyone. There are several pretty good posters who use passion, guile, mirth, and other styles of debate to influence opinions. Guys I rarely miss reading, Red, Huff, Wallace, you, Dave M., Unknown, Sandy, Capt Kirk ,Pete, Andy, and many others who freely share their opinions but rarely offend. Its like we have become old friends from years of frequenting these forums. Sure there are opinionated often strong emotional outbursts from time to time but respect also comes through. In "The 19th
    Hole" forum (you realize you only have to click the main branch and you get all the latest post for all the sub-forum titles) one should expect more spirited and lively debate.



  23. Sean Hoolehan
    Sean Hoolehan avatar
    0 posts
    1/28/2012 10:01 AM
    Steven Kurta said: Blocking or "cloaking" is common in most forums. It's a nice feature that makes communities easier to handle and in the long run keeps people around more than drives them away. It lets people take or leave content as they see fit -- "a la carte", so to speak. It's better than getting all HULK SMASH when people, or posts, push your button.



    Gee after that I will have to unblock you. Thanks Steve for a succinct explanation.



  24. Ronald Conard
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    4 posts
    1/28/2012 10:01 AM
    Keith Lamb said:
    Andy Jorgensen said:
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said: Thanks Jeff for the explanation.

    Sean, I didn't realize the forum and we had that ability to block? Not that I'm wanting to do that, but how is that done?

    Thanks, Mel


    He won't see it Mel. You're one of the 4.



    Plus he is too busy riding his high horse around the locker looking for more value to his membership.


    It looks like Keith is one, definitely JW is two, probably Scotty the third, I would have bet a boatload Red was 4 but....



  25. Peter Bowman
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    11 posts
    1/28/2012 11:01 AM
    Sean Hoolehan, CGCS said:



    Mel,

    ...Guys I rarely miss reading, Red, Huff, Wallace, you, Dave M., Unknown, Sandy, Capt Kirk ,Pete, Andy, and many others who freely share their opinions but rarely offend.

    Yesterday I was wondering. Today I'm confused.



  26. Steven Kurta
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    2 posts
    1/28/2012 11:01 AM
    Sean Hoolehan, CGCS said:
    Steven Kurta said: Blocking or "cloaking" is common in most forums. It's a nice feature that makes communities easier to handle and in the long run keeps people around more than drives them away. It lets people take or leave content as they see fit -- "a la carte", so to speak. It's better than getting all HULK SMASH when people, or posts, push your button.



    Gee after that I will have to unblock you. Thanks Steve for a succinct explanation.


    I'm sorry, Sean. I can't let you do that.


    *blocks Sean*



  27. Keith Lamb
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    3 posts
    1/28/2012 1:01 PM
    And here I thought I was vying for the #5 position. Still struggling with self-esteem issues.



  28. Sean Hoolehan
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    0 posts
    1/28/2012 3:01 PM
    Yesterday I was wondering. Today I'm confused.

    Pete,

    I can live with that. Ha ha



  29. Clay Putnam
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    33 posts
    1/28/2012 5:01 PM
    Sorry to spoil the fun but I'm going back on topic for a sec.

    I think we all understand the need for rules. But the fact of the matter is the rules are arbitrary. THAT is frustrating. TV, IMO, is not a great indicator of acceptable content. Profane language has become a rule rather than an exception to TV. And I'm sure a picture of a Sgt. Whatshisname's butt (reference to NYPD Blue) would be removed from this forum. Additionally, the use of initials or symbols is far from offensive. Generally there is context that is insufficiently conveyed without the use of the initials or symbols. Yes this is an organizational forum but we are all adults. Trust me when I say that the arbitrary removal of these posts makes the the person removing the post and the GCSAA forum look far more the fool than the person making the post, IMO.

    OK girls, back to your pillow fight.



  30. Keith Lamb
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    3 posts
    1/28/2012 6:01 PM
    Clay Putnam, CGCS said: Sorry to spoil the fun but I'm going back on topic for a sec.

    I think we all understand the need for rules. But the fact of the matter is the rules are arbitrary. THAT is frustrating. TV, IMO, is not a great indicator of acceptable content. Profane language has become a rule rather than an exception to TV. And I'm sure a picture of a Sgt. Whatshisname's butt (reference to NYPD Blue) would be removed from this forum. Additionally, the use of initials or symbols is far from offensive. Generally there is context that is insufficiently conveyed without the use of the initials or symbols. Yes this is an organizational forum but we are all adults. Trust me when I say that the arbitrary removal of these posts makes the the person removing the post and the GCSAA forum look far more the fool than the person making the post, IMO.

    OK girls, back to your pillow fight.



    "Insert expletive here" well put Clay.

    BTW, I'm using a Sobakawa® Cloud Pillow.



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