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Chapter membership requires GCSAA membership too stinks!

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  1. Kevin Fateley
    Kevin Fateley avatar
    5 posts
    12/10/2012 1:12 PM
    It is 9 degrees outside but I am sure if I stir this topic pile it will raise a stink!
    Once again at our Kansas chapter meeting we discussed how to grow our membership.
    Once again the discussion was dominated by fact superintendents of small courses are not joining because they also have to join GCSAA.
    Once again the Board hears that this is a substantial financial hurdle for small courses.
    Once again we will hear, from the forum replies and HQ, what a great value GSCAA membership is to a superintendent.
    Once again I am trying to think of a way to include these superintendents at our monthly chapter meetings.
    Once again I am thinking of ways to circumvent the policy with subcategories of "membership" (i.e.)
    Chapter Valet
    Chapter Historian
    Chapter Menu coordinator
    Chapter Consultant
    Chapter Score keeper
    Chapter Marshall
    Chapter Mechanic
    Chapter Spray tech
    Chapter ??????

    Once again I am using humor to get some input on a non-humorous situation here and I presume at most chapters.

    Kevin Fateley

    KGCSA Membership Committee Chair
    Wildcat Creek Golf & Fitness
    Manhattan Kansas



  2. Melvin Waldron
    Melvin Waldron avatar
    43 posts
    12/10/2012 1:12 PM
    Kevin, there are provisions as I remember them is, that they can join you chapter, they just can't be a Class A or SM (which I understand is going back to B) member.

    There are a few questions to ask, do they really not join your chapter because they can't be a Class A or SM in your chapter? Will they join as the a facility member? Does it really matter if they are listed as a Class A or B in your directory? I would think if you would list them as a facility member, then the contact is "Wil Myers, Golf Course Superintendent, (yes Sean, I'm not letting it go)" does it not recognize them as a superintendent? It does prevent them from I believe (but I wouldn't bet my house on it) being a voting member, and for sure they can not be an officer, but they could be involved on committees and I think even the board.

    They could come as members at membership pricing, meaning a discount price if you have that. (As I think of it, we don't offer a membership discount to any of our meetings, might have to make a note of that for our board meeting tomorrow). Or I'm guessing if there is no discount on events, do you invite them anyway, even if they aren't a member and have them participate? I would be curious how other chapters handle those last couple of questions. Especially the small chapters like our own.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  3. Robert Crockett
    Robert Crockett avatar
    4 posts
    12/10/2012 3:12 PM
    Kevin Fateley said: It is 9 degrees outside but I am sure if I stir this topic pile it will raise a stink!
    Once again at our Kansas chapter meeting we discussed how to grow our membership.
    Once again the discussion was dominated by fact superintendents of small courses are not joining because they also have to join GCSAA.
    Once again the Board hears that this is a substantial financial hurdle for small courses.
    Once again we will hear, from the forum replies and HQ, what a great value GSCAA membership is to a superintendent.
    Once again I am trying to think of a way to include these superintendents at our monthly chapter meetings.
    Once again I am thinking of ways to circumvent the policy with subcategories of "membership" (i.e.)
    Chapter Valet
    Chapter Historian
    Chapter Menu coordinator
    Chapter Consultant
    Chapter Score keeper
    Chapter Marshall
    Chapter Mechanic
    Chapter Spray tech
    Chapter ??????

    Once again I am using humor to get some input on a non-humorous situation here and I presume at most chapters.

    Kevin Fateley

    KGCSA Membership Committee Chair
    Wildcat Creek Golf & Fitness
    Manhattan Kansas

    My facility does pay my dues w/the GCSAA. If they didn't, I would pay it myself. Education, networking, benefits, ect..etc. You can't afford not to be a member.



  4. Sean Hoolehan
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    0 posts
    12/10/2012 4:12 PM
    Kevin,

    This is a great topic I am glad you brought it up. The affiliation agreement only prevents them from being a Superintendent member of a GCSAA chapter, and in fact GCSAA is willing to give these small courses a free GCSAA TAS facility membership if identified by the chapter. Chapters have had the ability to recruit these small courses for a long time. Also there is no requirement preventing chapters from inviting non-member (chapter or GCSAA) superintendents to chapter meetings of any kind. I know of several chapters who charge the same to members and non-members for attending meetings.

    GCSAA is looking at the chapter affiliation agreement in 2013 in a strategic way. I think most committees will be considering changes to the agreement this year. Clearly the leadership is positioning GCSAA to be more local, to have more presence at the chapter level. The field staff representatives program must be a priority as it grows even while the rest of the budget declines. This has been a tough past 5 years (and even longer for some) for everybody, but GCSAA still rolled out this program.

    I recognized that as a Past President my opinions appear to be bias, but i am expressing [u">my[/u"> opinions here not those of GCSAA. Healthy debate is good for the association.



  5. Wahlin Scott B
    Wahlin Scott B avatar
    12/10/2012 4:12 PM
    My employer specified a CGCS in their employment advertisement so I feel no guilt about asking them to pay my dues. I have stopped asking them to reimburse my incidental meeting expenses including food, travel and hotels. I am not proud of it, but I have been lax in my attendance at chapter meetings. This is particularly bad considering you can always attend for free and not eat lunch or play golf. As a Past President of the South Florida Chapter and Florida Turfgrass Assn I know that attendance and membership was a challenge 15-20 years ago. I can only imagine with access to computers and online learning, this challenge has to have increased exponentially.



  6. Bill Maynard
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    0 posts
    12/10/2012 4:12 PM
    Good Afternoon Kevin,

    After speaking with Scott Woodhead, the issue of ‘dual' member has been discussed on numerous occasions by various GCSAA committees since its inception back in 1997 and was also discussed briefly as recently as the 2012 Chapter Delegates Meeting in Kansas City back in October.

    While the consensus of past committee discussions, as well as with delegates at the Chapter Delegates meeting, is that dual membership has more positive aspects than negative, the challenge it presents to some chapters was actually addressed several years ago.

    Chapters have the ability to create a ‘facility' membership as a means of welcoming any member to your chapter who cannot justify the cost of belonging to both the national and the local.

    This ‘facility' membership is not a superintendent classification, but rather a membership that is in the name of the golf facility, but it affords the superintendent the ability to take advantage of all the benefits of membership that the chapter wishes to offer. The individuals, whose facility is in this classification of membership, may not hold office in the chapter, but the chapter has the ability to assign whatever other benefits they wish to this classification. Chapters are also free to charge whatever dues they deem fitting for this classification.

    The 2013 Member Relations Committee is slated to do a formal review of all membership classifications as part of their charge next year and I am sure that ‘dual' membership will once again be a point of discussion.

    If you would like to discuss this subject with me personally, please feel free to contact me at bmaynard@gcsaa.org or call me at 913-432-0333.



  7. Corey Eastwood
    Corey Eastwood avatar
    80 posts
    12/11/2012 11:12 AM
    If your chapter does not have an Associate Class create one. solves problem.

    Corey Eastwood CGCS, Stockton Golf & CC, Retired

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