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ice layer on greens

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  1. Johnson Aaron M
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    1/19/2015 10:01 AM
    Hey All:
    Northwest golf course here and we've had a moderate winter here with little to no snow cover. Up until christmas, we had almost zero snow, and now that we had some, we had some melting temps and rain, so now there is a decent ice layer on some low spots on greens with a few inches of crusted snow on top of the ice layer. I was wondering, would it be wise to go remove this ice layer mid to late January, when we still have our coldest month coming up next, and probably wont see consistent melting temps until late march?


    I chipped lightly and found that there was less than a quarter inch in the low side of a steep incline on the green, but some of the other, flatter greens have some ice on them as well. any suggestions would be appreciated

    I should probably add that the greens are mostly bent



  2. Adam Stottlemyer
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    1/19/2015 11:01 AM
    We're in the same boat here at The Suburban club. We've had some snow melt and rain that refreezes each night on some of our lower parts of our greens since it really has no where to go because the temperature hasn't gotten warm enough to thaw the ground for it to drain. We currently are not doing anything with these areas. Bentgrass can survive up to 90 days under ice (poa not as long), and it's not been close to 90 days so far for us.

    That being said, I would say if you did want to remove it, wait til the middle of the afternoon on a warmer day and try to remove some of it that has become slushy or not froze to the actual ground with a shovel. I wouldn't be too concerned yet, unless you wanted to speed up how quickly you can open the course for play.



  3. Johnson Aaron M
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    1/19/2015 11:01 AM
    We're not concerned with opening for the next few months, but I would welcome an early spring! I was thinking, since it's so nice and sunny out, to remove the inch of snow and throw out some topdressing/milorganite mixture to absorb some of the sun and help melt the snow. Im just trying to be proactive in winter instead of being reactive in may!
    thanks for the post reply



  4. Matt Dutkiewicz
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    1/19/2015 5:01 PM
    Hi Aaron,
    I went through the same situation last winter, while we (northern IL) didn't have anywhere near the ice accumulation that the guys in Michigan had, my little bit of ice worried me. I toyed with the idea of removal, as it seemed everyone was doing it. In the end I didn't touch the Greens. When March rolled around and we were entering the severe death-zone for days with ice on poa and nearing that point for bent, I went out and cut 3 plugs from 3 Greens and did a plug test with them. They all grew perfectly, and in the end we experienced zero turf damage on our Greens. The same can't be said for everyone in our area however. In my opinion, while I'm sure that a lot of the end result has to do with winter prep and snow mold application, the biggest determining factor is probably pure luck. Where your Greens are located, slopes, basins, sunlight, wind, tree cover, soil/air temperature fluctuations, etc, etc, etc. I don't think there is a perfect answer to the question of whether or not to remove ice. Just like in everything else in our industry, go with your gut, you'll win some and you'll lose some. The important thing is to learn from experiences and use that knowledge going forward. Sorry that this answer isn't very helpful!



  5. Johnson Aaron M
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    1/19/2015 11:01 PM
    Thank you so much for the response, It's awesome how twitter and this forum have links and you were able to help me out!!! I decided to hold off today, since there really hasn't been a month gone by since the ice layer formed. Im hoping for an early spring, cant wait to get back on the course



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