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Trimmit mixed with folilar fertilizers

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  1. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    3/17/2017 12:03 PM
    Hi all,

    I am going to spray some Trimmit (not a generic paclobutrazol) on my greens early spring time.

    I did see on Twitter a discussion even earlier about this maybe hitting the poa, even before some of the bent had greened up. I started thinking about it then, but, this year putting out Round-up and pre-emergent didn't allow me to try it as early as I had thought, but still think I can get an app or two of it in, before I go to my Primo apps on 200 GDD model.

    My question is, what fertilizers have you all mixed with your Paclobutrazol applications? Specifically Trimmit, (I avoid generics on greens) I use Gary's Green as my primary foliar source.

    I haven't messed with Paclobutrazol since the old Scott's TGR/granular fertilizer days.

    Thanks!

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  2. David Brandenburg
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    3 posts
    3/17/2017 3:03 PM
    Mel,

    I have tank mixed it with Urea, U Flex, U Max, Main Event Iron, Ferrous Sulfate and Stress Master 0-0-31



  3. Christopher Thuer
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    101 posts
    3/17/2017 9:03 PM
    We have used Grigg's, Harrell's, Foliar Pak, and others, with no issues, on nearly pure bent.

    Chris Thuer, CGCS, Bear Slide Golf Club, Cicero, IN

  4. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    3/18/2017 9:03 PM
    Thanks for the replies!

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  5. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    3/26/2017 11:03 AM
    Another quick question, anyone mix Trimmit with Torque?

    I have to make a fairy ring preventive and both get watered in.

    Thanks!

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  6. Eric Johnson
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    1 posts
    3/27/2017 6:03 AM
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said: Another quick question, anyone mix Trimmit with Torque?

    I have to make a fairy ring preventive and both get watered in.

    Thanks!

    Mel


    I would proceed with caution. DMI and Paclo might be an issue.



  7. Ronald Conard
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    4 posts
    3/27/2017 8:03 AM
    Hey Mel,

    I've applied iron sulfate, urea, ammonium sulfate, phosphites, potassium sullfate, manganese sulfate, potassium thioisulfate, wetting agents, magnesium chelates, and on and on with paclo without any ill affects.

    I have a couple of questions for you as I'm trying to die before I'm reduced to Twitter.

    Was there any discussion on frost and paclo? I've expanded my window of when I apply paclo but we are still two months away from being out of the frost window here. I've applied in early May before and did not get any bronzing. I can live with the color but right others (here) may not be able to.

    You mentioned being adverse to generics on greens. Have you see or heard of issues with generics? Maybe I missed it.

    Finally, if you are going to use paclo to hit your Poa, why then do you switch to Primo later in the year?

    I'm not saying your off, I'm really just curious.

    Thanks



  8. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    3/27/2017 11:03 AM
    Ronald Conard, CGCS said: Hey Mel,

    I've applied iron sulfate, urea, ammonium sulfate, phosphites, potassium sullfate, manganese sulfate, potassium thioisulfate, wetting agents, magnesium chelates, and on and on with paclo without any ill affects.

    Thanks! Good to know

    I have a couple of questions for you as I'm trying to die before I'm reduced to Twitter.

    Twitter is great for the most part, but the one issue I have with it, (and it could be just me, as anyone who realizes, from the length of my post) discussing issues on Twitter in 140 characters doesn't allow for a lot of in depth questions and answers, especially when a lot of people start talking about things.

    Was there any discussion on frost and paclo? I've expanded my window of when I apply paclo but we are still two months away from being out of the frost window here. I've applied in early May before and did not get any bronzing. I can live with the color but right others (here) may not be able to.

    I don't remember any talk of frost, and it would still be an issue. For the most part, the discussion was about trying to hammer the poa when it was starting to be active, even if the bent was still in the dormant stage.

    You mentioned being adverse to generics on greens. Have you see or heard of issues with generics? Maybe I missed it.

    I have never had an issue, and I know that even some generics are packaged by the actual manufacturer, but every once is a while, (was it last spring or the spring before there were issues with generic Fosetyl-Aluminum or something else? It was in the Northeast.) Plus I'm only treating two acres of greens, I don't think I'm saving that much. Now out in fairways and roughs, tees even, yes I'll use some.

    Finally, if you are going to use paclo to hit your Poa, why then do you switch to Primo later in the year?

    Good question, I find and this is just my opinion, I really can't say for sure and haven't really conducted my own research, the Primo helps retain some soil moisture as the plant isn't growing as hard, so less ET through the plant. I think it helps the plants fight off stress in the mid summer, both the bent and poa, allowing them to stay healthier, and with the reduced growth, I think I can get better ball roll, especially at my height of cut of .156" I know the 200 GDD can be a pain in the butt mid summer for us, because that can be every 7 days, but it seems to work for me.

    I'm not saying your off, I'm really just curious.

    Thanks


    But I am off...my rocker. But just trying to learn new things, which is hard for me, because when I find something that I think is working, it is hard for me to try something else.

    I did not get a chance to spray it when I planned, and with aeration looming, I am at that point that I'm hesitant to use it now, ( a week before aeration) So when looking again at the label and studying my planned program, and playing with the GDD tool that has a Trimmit component, and my desire to hit the poa some, as it seems to have expanded the last few mild winters, (and it is also a request from up above), I'm going to try two spring applications, and then switch back to my Primo program. And will try a couple applications in the fall.

    Thanks!

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  9. Melvin Waldron
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    43 posts
    3/27/2017 11:03 AM
    Eric Johnson said:
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said: Another quick question, anyone mix Trimmit with Torque?

    I have to make a fairy ring preventive and both get watered in.

    Thanks!

    Mel


    I would proceed with caution. DMI and Paclo might be an issue.


    Thanks Eric.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  10. Christopher Thuer
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    101 posts
    3/27/2017 4:03 PM
    I have sprayed a paclo with all fungicides including DMI for over 15 seasons without issues. But, mostly bent with very little poa.

    Chris Thuer, CGCS, Bear Slide Golf Club, Cicero, IN

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