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  1. Baker Daniel
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    6/6/2011 2:06 PM
    I really just wanted to see my avatar on a post, but since I'm here I'll ask a question:

    What products and practices are you guys and gals using to combat Sodium buildup in your soils. I'm currently using a limited amount of 38% acid in my fertigation, EcxK, Calphlex, and Gypsum in varying quantities. My biggest concern with the Gypsum is a Sulfur buildup and getting black layer. Whatcha got?



  2. Andy Jorgensen
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    6/6/2011 2:06 PM
    What is your water source and where you is?



  3. Baker Daniel
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    6/6/2011 4:06 PM
    Dang it! Why isn't my signature showing up?

    Anyways, I'm in Rockport TX ( a little slice of Florida on the lower Texas coast). I am using some rather crummy effluent water (EC = 2.5, Sodium = 269ppm, HCO3=293, Cl = 533, SAR = 6.3) on the last water test. That is also the best water we have ever had in the irrigation lake. Sample before this one had an EC at 2.9 and Sodium over 400ppm.



  4. Kyle Fick
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    6/11/2011 6:06 PM
    I've been dealing with sodium for a while now and have tried all the bells and whistles it seems like. Gypsum is a mainstay in our application program across the golf course and we stay with that do to costs (but the trucking of the product is becoming as expensive as gypsum itself!). One thing that I feel has helped of overall health was the installation of an injections system to assist in penetrating the soil profile and constantly pushing things down and away. On our greens at least I do use a few other higher end products. Eximo, a product called salt exit from Magic Green, a 6-0-0 + 8% calcium liquid we've had made up, penetrating wetting agents, Terraplex, etc, etc. I think the best thing I've learned about sodium however though is to water properly (way long and deep), spoon feed more than not to prevent sodium from occupying to much space, and needle tine like crazy to help prevent that hard sodium crust from forming in the upper layers and allowing good air movement. Even with all the preventative help, sodium levels don't seem to disipate at all, and all the models I've read about don't always apply. I think personally gypsum and drainage are the keys to life at this point. By trying to flush our soils constantly, I believe the sulfur won't or at least hasn't become a problem. And when we do core aerify, we try to go as big and deep as possible without prolonging a rediculous healing time. There are a bunch of chemy's out there that help, just gotta pick one and develop the peice of mind that it's a long term process, and nothing is gonna give instantaneous results. That's my philosophy on Gypsum, constant applications to help life in general.

    Maybe I'm way off on my philosophies though!

    Kyle Fick
    GCS, Bully Pulpit GC



  5. Ryan Otto
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    6/12/2011 4:06 PM
    Battled sodium for 5 years in the desert southwest, with effluent water. I feel strongly about synthetic acids like eximo, and the one that we used turfburst. If you have the money I also strongly stand behind acid injection systems, for the last 3 years we injected sulfuric acid to treat our bicarbs and high ph. Just need to be careful and install it past your pumps, or be prepared to replace a lot of impellers. Also agree with Kyle you can't aerify enough, we were site specific in our aerification program, some fairways three to four times a year. For greens gypsum and replenish with calcium and potasium. 0-0-50 great to use after pulling cores and flushing with gypsum.



  6. Robert Wright
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    7/2/2011 6:07 PM
    We do gypsum at 15 lbs/1000sf, Pro-Mag at 2lbs, and 0-0-50 at 2 lbs every month. Spoon feed nitrogen every two weeks, and use synthetic acids (turfburst at 12 oz per 150 gals water for pH of 2.9) every two weeks. You can flush before or after these applications depending on your preference. We've used 1690 wetting agent prior to a flush to help move water through the soils. Soil tests show we are making a little headway every year, but its an ongoing battle. I agree with getting the salt through your soil and out your drains. And frequent aerations to keep the soil from getting crunchy with bicarbs.



  7. White Robert G
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    7/4/2011 7:07 AM
    We have been using gypsum once a year around aerification and thio-cal injected through irrigation four times a year. We have also had positive results with pH acid from CPS through the irrigation, cleans the pipes as well. Using a leach factor at 110% of ETo keeps things moving in the right direction. Thinking about all that salt flushed below the root zone wakes me up at night sometimes :roll:



  8. Wahlin Scott B
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    7/4/2011 8:07 AM
    I don't know what happened to the price of gypsum, but it used to be $30 per ton on the ground - the price included shipping and spreading! I managed a salt affected golf course for five years and gypsum was our mainstay.



  9. Bill Atkin
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    7/7/2011 6:07 AM
    Every meq./l of hco3, bicarbonate (61.02ppm) approximates 200 lbs. of lime forming potential per acre ft. of water. The only place for the lime to form is in the pore space, it ties up the calcium preventing it from exchanging with salts and clogs soils depriving them of air and water movement.

    Acidifying to a ph of 6.5 removes less than half of the hco3. At 6.5 ph metals are safe but lime continues to form but at a slower pace. According to published government data rainwater in the west averages in the range of 5.5 ph. In order to mimic nature more acidity is required. H2so3, sulfurous is the acid produced by burning sulfur, compared to h2so4, sulfuric acid, more acidity can be deliver to the soil safely. Sulfurous releases its acidic potential in sequence. Half of the acid remains in solution after the ph of the water has been lower to 6.5 in the form of hso3, bisulfate. The hso3 when oxidized will remove the remainder of the caco3, lime, and liberate the calcium to exchange with sodium and aggregate soils.



  10. Slaughter Michael W
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    7/24/2011 4:07 PM
    we have battled sodium problems alot...and it bit us in the butt last year. We have changed our program completely....we are using a spray buffer in our spray tank everytime we go across greens and also changed our spray program....we have switched to completely low N....we are using a granular product called Gyp-Pot-Mag once every month at 20lbs/1000 of product and in between those apps applying 0-0-50 at 2lbs/10000 of product. Also applying 0-0-50 after any rain event as well. We are at about 20lbs of K/1000 so far this year and i will end up using 30 to 35 lbs of K.....low N still...i will top out with 1.5lbs N/1000. I would be interested to see what your paste test read with sodium compared to K,Mg,and Ca. We started this whole process a year ago and we have been in hot heat for several weeks and my greens(sand based A4bent) look outstanding...not a whole lot of wilt like in years past. Plus we are using a product like Eximo and spiking/venting greens alot too!

    Mike Slaughter
    Kilmarlic Golf Club
    Powells Point, NC



  11. Koor Jeffrey M
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    7/25/2011 7:07 AM
    Flushing is the key. Not just extra water, you need to run enough water until it flows through your drain tile. Depending on your soil struture and organic matter it could be as much as 120 minutes per head or more. Run heads until water starts running off the surface than let it soak for 20 minutes. Repeat the process until water flows out of your drain tile. Typically unless you have push up greens it takes 60 to 90 minutes per head.

    You really haven't given enough information to determine what product to use along with your flush. You mentioned black layer; if you have excess sulfur in soil reserve, and excess SO4 in your soil solution the acid and Gypsum will cause more of a problem than the sodium.

    Many sources of irrigation water contain dissolved sulfates, which are acid based and can cause low pH soils. The magnitude of the effect depends on the concentration of the sulfates in the water, and the amount of the water applied. If you are using the acid to reduce the soil pH or to buffer bicarbonates, you need to realize that you may be replacing one evil with another. Small amounts of acid used occasionally can be a good tool, but is there any research that shows when enough is enough? If there is I'd like to read it.

    I'm always less concerned with high bicarbonates soils than I am high sulfate soils, simply because of soil structure. Although research shows excess sulfur and SO4 have very little affect on plant growth, the waterlogged soils caused by the excess does.

    Calcium is associated with high bicarbonate soils, and because of its base density and double positive charge it's held tightly to the soil colloid. Calcium also flocculates the soil because, one of its positive charges can attach to one soil particle while the other attaches to a second; producing air space between the two.

    Sulfur on the other hand, does not attach to the soil colloid, because it is negatively charged. High sulfates are typically associated with poorly structured and waterlogged soils. When elemental sulfur comes in contact with H2O it strips oxygen off of the water molecule. Sulfur also seeks out free oxygen in the soil because sulfates need 4 oxygen molecules to form the compound (SO4). If the soil is not sufficiently flocculated (oxygen rich) it will collapse, squeezing out the air pores replacing them with water pores. Unfortunately it doesn't end there; the two free hydrogen's released from the water lowers pH or attaches to the SO4 molecule to create H2SO4 (sulfuric acid). Isn't sulfuric acid what your paying a lot of money to buffer with? Why not just use elemental sulfur it's cheeper. When soils are waterlogged and acidic, beneficial aerobic bacteria are replaced by anaerobic bacteria (purple and green sulfur cyanobacteria). Purple and green sulfur bacterial have very few benefits for high plants, they do produce a little sugar. In fact the black crusty algae that forms in the thin turf areas on greens (mostly in the winter), is cyanobacteria. Are you sure that's what you want to grow?

    If sulfur is a problem for you, use organic acids (humic, fulvic, human), penitrating wetting agents, and calcium carbonate to flush the sodium out. Depending on how bad your problem is and your rain patterns will determin how frequently you need to flush. Give me a call 239-707-9974 and I'll give you an email where you can send me a copy of your soil and water sample, and I can give you a more presice answer. Sodium is really fairly easy to manage if you use the products that are specific to your conditions.



  12. Rosenthal Gregg
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    7/25/2011 8:07 AM
    Ever thought of spending the money on new turf instead of chemicals? Seashore paspalum would thrive on your water, soil and climate, reducing your overall cost of maintenance producing a beautiful green golf course? It would be environmentally sound management with no loss of playing conditions. In fact it may increase playing condition quality over time. I know you did not ask this in your post but it seems a logical way to go instead of the expense involved with mitigating the damage caused by your water situation. Pasapalum would also use less water another overall benefit for the investment. There are many new fantastic varieties of Paspalum out in the market today that would make you look great and save you money over the long term, I am no salesman just a big fan of Paspalum turf in sodic soils or poor water...Just my opinion and I am full of them

    Gregg Rosenthal



  13. Baker Daniel
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    7/25/2011 10:07 AM
    Thanks for all the responses. I think its funny that I made the original post just to see my avatar, but got some great feedback. I appreciate the scientific side of the conversation as well as the experience side I've gotten from many of you. This year we have had 4.5" of rain that all fell in two days, one in January and one in April. Since then, barely even a cloud in the sky. Needless to say, I've been using an exorbinant amount of water. As much as I cuss the quality of my water, my effluen contract dates back 25 years and allows me more water than I can physically pump in a day for a nominal expense.

    Here's what we have done, with great success.

    Greens-
    First, they are straight sugar sand and several have no drains in them at all. I can run 60 minutes of water before puddling.

    Week One - flush with penetrating wetting agent
    Week Two - Redox RxCa + hydrahume (humic acid)
    Week Three - flush with penetrating wetting agent, then add 5#/M gypsum
    Week Four - Redox RxCa + 15#/M Quad K
    Repeat
    This does not include my foliar program that includes a liquid Ca, K, Mg, Mn and very little N

    Tees/Fairways
    7.5# Gypsum Monthly
    Flush cycles (typically 3 hours per head) monthly
    1/2#N from a 24-6-12 SCU
    .1# Ammonium Sulfate Foliar as we have need/time

    After some of the responses, I may add a Kmag applicaton in there to keep my K up and offset some sodium. 35# of K per year seems a little high. Have you considered using a product like Duration 0-0-50 that is a time release at a high rate in the spring?

    Also, just for Gregg. I bought a bucket of Seaspray Paspalum seed in April. I tried seeding in late spring on three differnt areas as well as early July in three more areas. I used different site prep on each area to see what took best and then poured the water to it for a month. I must confess that I am unimpressed. Germination on the seed was less than stellar coming in at what looks like about 25%. The germination period was also extremly long ranging from the first seed up at 25 days to seeds germinating as far out as 44 days. Maybe I'm spoiled by ryegrass and its quick germination window but there is no way I can recommend a conversion on my fairways and tees based on what I have seen.



  14. Slaughter Michael W
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    7/25/2011 1:07 PM
    i put some slow release in there too....but we get alot of afternoon showers in the summer and alot of spring a fall rainfall....also we are prone to tropical storms. Remember with sand based greens when rainfall comes that K is dropped right out the bottom of the profile....so we keep applying it. I was a bit nervous about putting that much K down as well from the start, but my soil company that im using preaches this method and it has taken a little while for me to adopt this way...but my soil test, paste test, and they way my greens look are off the charts awesome.

    Mike Slaughter
    Kilmarlic Golf Club
    Powells Point, NC



  15. Rosenthal Gregg
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    7/25/2011 1:07 PM
    Daniel,

    I would have told you the same about sea spray, it is some what less than spectacular (I tried it and was very disappointed). To do it right you got to sprig just like any good warm season grass grow in, the sprigged varieties are much finer anyway...You should get some and do some test plots, I am willing to bet it will surprise you! Then you can throw away all the sodium relief chemicals and just wait for a couple of biannual flushing rains or do it yourself, especially with your sugar sand soils. I have seen some tropical courses that use salt water in dry periods to irrigate, then get flushed in the rainy season.....something to think about?



  16. Baker Daniel
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    7/25/2011 9:07 PM
    Greg,

    I have some "Native" varieties on the course already that absolutely thrive. One is a very coarse that the locals call "Adelaide" and the other is a much finer variety that no one has ever typed out. I'm curious as to what it is exactly but it is fine enough to be a green turf. It's only problem is that it is a real pain to mow even with freshly ground reels and new bedknives.

    Do you have any varieties that you would suggest? I currently have a tee stripped with SeaSpray seed on it for 4 weeks and I can count the germinated seeds without taking off my shoes. It gets water six hours a day (3 - 2 hour cycles) as well as the nightly watering. Ya, less than impressed with SeaSpray.

    Thanks for your input. I'd love to kick the $8000 in sulfuric acid and three gypsum apps a year (another $18,000) and use that money for something a little more worthwhile.

    Daniel



  17. Rosenthal Gregg
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    7/26/2011 6:07 AM
    Daniel,

    You can use Sea Dwarf wall to wall just adjust height for tees greens of fairways. I believe there are some other newer ones but I have not personally seen them. I grew Sea Isle 1 it was fine for tees and fairways but a little too coarse for greens. It seems for the money you are spending you could re grass your course over a couple seasons and have some left over for other projects. You do have to keep mowers sharp to cut paspalum, but spin grinding is cheaper than chemicals. Take the money saved and buy a second spin grinder for efficiency? Call me biased but when it comes to effluent water use or sodic soils why fight it when paspalum loves it and looks so good doing it?

    Once my surgery (on my brain) gets done and I can work again, I am available to move to Texas for assisting in a transition to paspalum?

    Gregg :D



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