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Paspalum and bermuda grass control

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  1. Borja Azpilicueta
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    12/1/2017 3:12 AM
    We are planning a greens regrassing as we have bentgrass greens with some paspalum and bermuda infestation. The plan is to use glyphosate and fluazifop (2 applications) followed by Basamid ( Dazomet). I have read in different sites the benefit of tilling and tarping versus no tilling and only irrigating. Any experience in this type of operations? Is it with tilling? Is it worth tarping? Is to better no tilling and tarping? I would really appreciate some comments.

    All the best. Regards from Spain

    Borja Azpilicueta
    Alcanada Golf Club
    Mallorca, Spain



  2. Andy Jorgensen
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    12/1/2017 12:12 PM
    Tilling prior to the dazomet application allows for the chemical to penetrate deeper into the soil. Best success is with tilling, applying, irrigation, then tarping.



  3. James Smith
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    12/4/2017 6:12 AM
    at the least I would think aerification of some type would help with penetration. not sure how you would accomplish this without disrupting the original surface to some extent but you really need to give the chemical a chance to get down to the root system, especially with the Paspalum, thats stuff is really hard to get rid of. do you have a plan on taking it out from around the collars and slopes also? if not it won't take long to get right back in to them.



  4. Borja Azpilicueta
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    12/11/2017 4:12 AM
    Thanks James and Andy. Another question regarding dazomet application. I was thinking about aerifying (solid tines)the greens before removing the turf and after removing the sod apply the dazomet directly with no tilling in order to preserve the greens contours. Would this be as effective as tilling with a rotovator ??

    Thanks and regards

    Borja



  5. Corey Eastwood
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    12/11/2017 11:12 AM
    IMHO not tilling the soil could lead to disaster down the road. You don't want to cut corners on a project like this.

    Corey Eastwood CGCS, Stockton Golf & CC, Retired

  6. James Smith
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    12/12/2017 6:12 AM
    sorry but I cannot tell you much about dazomet from experience but Corey is correct about cutting corners.

    The club down the street from us finally decided to upgrade their greens and renovate. they did everything except treat them during the process. and now they are paying dearly with bad greens less than 2 years after the project. they even closed their course for a month in order to try to grow them back in. while they blamed several different issues such as Nematodes and disgruntled employee, the biggest issue was not treating the greens during the project. they had large dead spots well before the recent issues and had trouble growing areas in. I try to stay away from their course but always get feedback from my own members and some of theirs.

    Think of it this way, treating the soil basically kills everything. you start over new!

    Not treating the soil leaves the chance for issues down the road. these issue may end up costly. so much so that the long term treatment of them can cost 10 times more than the original application would of. these issues can mean the difference between you sleeping well at night or not.

    Ask yourself honestly, is the original contour of your greens that great that you would risk the issues! in a lot of cases changing the contour by small amounts can make your greens even better. think of this, if you want to deal with green speeds between 9-10, a little more contour makes them better. if you want speeds between 10-12 less makes them better, 12 or more nothing makes them better (just kidding). My greens have a lot of slope to them so I can cut them between .130 and .150" with no complaints.

    you really need to till them and treat them!



  7. Borja Azpilicueta
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    12/13/2017 12:12 PM
    Thanks to all. Of course the idea was to treat with dazomet, after several gliphosate, fusilade, tryclopir and Fenoxaprop. The question was if just by aerification the dazomet treatment would be as effective. I have now talked to several people and we will definitely go at it with a rotovator and mix the top 10-15cm (4"-6") to get the dazomet to do the work and also attack the organic material in that top layer.

    Thanks again
    Borja



  8. Corey Eastwood
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    12/14/2017 11:12 AM
    If you want to keep the exact contours set up a ten or twelve foot grid and shoot grades before stripping sod. Record it on graph paper. Reset grade stakes after tilling and shaping to return to original. You can rent a Transit or Laiser if you don't have one.

    Corey Eastwood CGCS, Stockton Golf & CC, Retired

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