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  1. Timothy Johansen
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    2/1/2012 8:02 AM
    I am getting ready to go out for bid on a new 18 hole irrigation system. I would like some input in regards to go with Toro or Rainbird, Decoder, software, etc. Really a difficult decision and one that I can only hope will be the correct one ! Upper midwest region.



  2. Gary Carls
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    2/1/2012 12:02 PM
    If all the various systems bid meet your performance needs it is very important to consider what type of service you can expect from the local vendor of that particular product. It will make life a lot easier down the road.

    Gary K. Carls, CGCS, President - Oakland Turfgrass Education Initiative

  3. Daniel Walter
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    2/1/2012 1:02 PM
    We just had a Toro GDC installed this past year. I had an OSMAC system prior to that for 16 years, therefore I never had satellites to go to. Therefore going to a decoder system with no satellites wasn't an issue for me. The decoder system (based on my research with other supers and irrigation consultant) is easy to troubleshoot and has many features traditional systems don't have. I have the Toro Lynx software and is simple to use but effective, though only used for half a season. If you want more specific info please email or call me please.

    The main thing with a decoder system is to have install be precise and plenty of electrical switches to aide in troubleshooting etc. One nick in the wire can be an issues as its based on low voltage.

    Good luck,
    Dan Walter
    Blue Ash Golf Course
    513.686.1290



  4. Elliott Steve D
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    2/1/2012 2:02 PM
    I have been with Rain Bird for 15 plus years and I believe That Darrel Finastead would be your rep. I could not imagine dealing with some one else to be honest. I have Stratus LT for the last eight years and really have not had one problem. your service with any thing in this world is most important. and if Darrrel is your rep I would put him their , at a moment notice. If I need parts, they will be their in less than 12 hours, form pump service to irrigation parts. Just a note that money is always the big deal , and you cant put money over service. I know things about toro as well and I think for this area you will be happy with R.B.



  5. Wahlin Scott B
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    2/1/2012 3:02 PM
    I found it difficult to write specs for a control system because the features and benefits of each of the system are unique so if you specify what you want there will only be one distributor to bid. I would recommend letting each of the distributors demonstrate their various systems to you then ask each to provide bids making it clear that price is only one consideration. You may get a bid for a system you really like for a price you can easily justify over a lower bid.



  6. Daniel Walter
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    2/2/2012 8:02 AM
    I am with a municipality and we do public bid, we bid both systems (decoder and satellite) from both manufacturers, common practice and you get to choose in the end.
    If anyone needs specs let me know, thanks.

    Dan Walter
    City of Blue Ash Golf Course



  7. Jason Knuutila
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    2/3/2012 8:02 PM
    Looking to update our greens loops with perimeter irrigation (yeah I know it's 2011, but things happens slow up here in Buffalo). We have Rainbird satelites and we are going to use a hybrid system. Stratus will communicate with the controllers, then the expansion will be the IC system.



  8. Cooper James S
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    2/4/2012 5:02 AM
    Looking to update our greens loops with perimeter irrigation (yeah I know it's 2011, but things happens slow up here in Buffalo).


    Wow , Your not kidding.



  9. Melvin Waldron
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    2/4/2012 8:02 AM
    Jason Knuutila said: Looking to update our greens loops with perimeter irrigation (yeah I know it's 2011, but things happens slow up here in Buffalo). We have Rainbird satellites and we are going to use a hybrid system. Stratus will communicate with the controllers, then the expansion will be the IC system.


    It happens here in Missouri as well, we still have all but one controller are 1230's. They communicate with my computer by a 2 wire path. I have experience with decoders as well, so that is my knowledge base.

    Question for you Jason (and others), (just looked it up on the Rain Bird site) how will your IC communicate with your computer? I envision and am not sure if that is correct, that I could add a head like an IC and does it connect to my 2-wire communication wire and go back to the computer? Could I add decoders and do that as well?

    Thanks, Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  10. Jason Knuutila
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    2/15/2012 8:02 PM
    Melvin Waldron, CGCS said:
    Jason Knuutila said: Looking to update our greens loops with perimeter irrigation (yeah I know it's 2011, but things happens slow up here in Buffalo). We have Rainbird satellites and we are going to use a hybrid system. Stratus will communicate with the controllers, then the expansion will be the IC system.


    It happens here in Missouri as well, we still have all but one controller are 1230's. They communicate with my computer by a 2 wire path. I have experience with decoders as well, so that is my knowledge base.

    Question for you Jason (and others), (just looked it up on the Rain Bird site) how will your IC communicate with your computer? I envision and am not sure if that is correct, that I could add a head like an IC and does it connect to my 2-wire communication wire and go back to the computer? Could I add decoders and do that as well?

    Thanks, Mel

    I don't think it will, but never hurts to make a call.



  11. John Faber
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    2/15/2012 8:02 PM
    Hey Tim,
    I was fortunate enough to be part of a build/grow-in/opening of a new golf course in Calgary, Alberta, Canada as an Assistant. We did the irrigation install ourselves and we put in HDPE pipe right from the pump station to the swing joint. With that we installed a Rainbird decoder system with a Stratus II central.
    I am now at an older course as the Superintendent and have a Toro Osmac system. I can honestly say I miss the decoder system (whether Rainbird or Toro). Installation is the key as you want no loops in the wire paths, only dead ends and with this electrical troubleshooting is very easy. One wire will travel with all pipe so its easy to trace wires in the future, additions are simple as there is no need to return to a satellite (just splice and go), and the diagnostics in the field are very helpful.
    I was a big fan of the Rainbird Central and am in the process of looking at a new central/ satellites myself. I recently attended the CGSA Conference up here and had both Rainbird and Toro give me a thorough demo.Toro has made huge advances with the Lynx system, so I would say go with a decoder system and best potential service. If you go Rainbird, get the GSP at least for the first couple years.



  12. Andy Jorgensen
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    2/16/2012 6:02 AM
    Have your distributor quote both conventional PVC and HDPE pipe for install. The price of the HDPE has come down quite a bit and will be less headaches down the road.



  13. Dennis Cook
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    2/16/2012 6:02 AM
    We just installed a brand new Rain Bird decoder system in 2009 and I absolutely love it. And yes Mel, you can just add a head where you want and connect it to the two wire. Then you just have to add the address into your central and your done. I also have a rain bird pump station and the whole system has been extremely reliable and does a fantastic job. The Rain Bird Software is very user friendly and will really do some amazing things, plus by having the rain bird pumpstation and Rain Bird Smart pump, I have true immediate two way communication between the central and the pumps. If something is not right, Rain Bird has the ability to sense it and shut down the system. I can even see everything the system is doing on my iphone.

    I truly love not having satellites on the course and the Rain Bird Freedom radio system works great. I previously had a Toro System and I believe the performance of the Rain Bird heads is better. Why? First off, they are built like a tank and the days of broken tops and top flanges are gone (still exists with Toro), they never plug up due to a self flush every time they come on, they are top serviceable except for the solenoid, and you do not have to isolate the system to change the solenoid. We have a river water supply and when it rains it gets very dirty and the Toro heads used to malfunction and need constant attention to work correctly (stick on, stop rotating,etc), we have not had those issues at all in the three years we have run the new Rain Bird system. They have a dynamite head.

    I have had all three major brands of pumpstations and I would not hesitate to recommend the Rain Bird pumps as well. As complex as the system is, it is still rather easy to understand and service. The finish is all powder coat, so it still looks like it did when it got here. No chaulking, no rust, just a nice performing, great looking station.



  14. Melvin Waldron
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    2/16/2012 8:02 AM
    Thanks Dennis,

    I will look into that.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

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