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Making Green Divot Sand

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  1. Thomas Tipton
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    1/27/2012 1:01 PM
    I was wondering if anyone makes green divot sand in house? I figured that and initial investment of a quality industrial cement mixer and dye would easily pay for itself in less then one year. My membership loves our green divot sand but I have a hard time swallowing the cost of buying it green, as it comes out of my budget and is twice the cost of the regular sand. Does anyone else do this?



  2. Brett Morris
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    1/27/2012 2:01 PM
    I've used the cement mixer in the past but found it too slow. Now we mix in a spare sand bay by pouring the dye onto a sand pile and continually mix it with a skid steer loader (Bobcat) by picking it up and dumping with the bucket.



  3. Fleegel Timothy
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    1/27/2012 2:01 PM
    Have you figured out how much you use and how many labor hours it would take to get the amount you need?



  4. Andy Jorgensen
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    1/27/2012 3:01 PM
    The green dyed sand here is almost double. I begin using a 80/20 sand/compost mix that helps hold moisture in the divot while the turf recovers. It is darker in color, color lasts longer, and way, way cheaper. Just a thought.



  5. Thomas Tipton
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    1/30/2012 5:01 AM
    We typically use about 44 tons a season. I could cut out about half that amount by using regular sand on my driving range tees and just use the green sand for the golf course divot boxes and sand bottles. Obviously the bigger the mixer, the more sand can be mixed and the less time it would take. But this would mean a bigger investment for a larger mixer. I have thought about just using a loader to mix as this is what we did last fall with our left over topdressing sand and helped stretch our green sand to get us through the season. Without counting the labor involved or the investment of dye and a mixer, the difference was about 3k when you compare regular sand to green sand.



  6. Thomas Tipton
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    1/30/2012 7:01 AM
    Brett, How cost effective have you found this to be for you to mix and dye your sand yourself?



  7. Brett Morris
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    2/1/2012 1:02 PM
    Thomas,

    I'm in Australia and it's our only option as there are no suppliers who produce it commercially.

    Brett.



  8. Ronald Conard
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    2/1/2012 3:02 PM
    How cost effective is it period?



  9. DeMay Ryan
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    2/1/2012 8:02 PM
    Ronald Conard, CGCS said: How cost effective is it period?


    We have made our own green sand for two years and have had generally good results. While the answer is it's not cost effective in the literal sense, it's one of those little things that goes a long way with our owner, GM, and membership. The nice part of the deal was it allowed us to buy a 9 cubic foot concrete mixer that under normal circumstances we would have never been able to purchase. We now use to mixer for a lot of other projects around the golf course so I will say that there is certainly some value in making that purchase.

    As you mentioned, we only use it on the golf course (tees and fairways) and just use regular divot mix on the range tees. This method works well for us and the powers-that-be. On average we use about 3 tons per month April through September. As far as mixing and storing, we cut a 300 gallon fertilizer tote in half horizontally with a reciprocating saw and bolted a pallet to the top side of the tote. This way we could move both tubs around our shop pretty easily with loader forks. One guy can mix and fill the two tubs in two hours. It ends up that we mix sand two to three times per month depending on play, events, etc. Green paint is around $50/gallon and we'll go through a little under two gallons per month.

    So for about $1,000 a year, including labor and materials, we get a piece of equipment that we would not normally have and can make the important people happy.

    I hope this helps.



  10. Thomas Tipton
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    2/3/2012 7:02 AM
    Gentlemen, Thanks for the info. In my research, I do not think this is a cost effective move for us. Ryan, I do agree that adding a mixer would be a plus to the variety of different uses on the course, but with the extra time and effort to do this in-house, I feel my labor and resources could be used more effectively elsewhere on the golf course. This time of year, I try to look at all my budgeted line items and come up with innovative ideas to save money, time, and labor. I guess this is justification on why dyed sand is so expensive.



  11. Robert Steger
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    2/8/2012 8:02 AM
    I don't think that you need a cement mixer to make green sand. We use Lesco Green Turf Paint and our loader to mix it up, been doing it this way for 10 years. It take 1 man about an hour to mix a 12 ton load, and about 2.5 gallons of turf paint to get the color we like. I would suggest buying 1 case of paint (Greenzit works ok too, but the color doesn't seem to last as long) and giving it a try. I also don't think that having peat in the mix improves germination, so we just use straight topdressing sand. I have found that the turf covers laterally quicker than the seed germinates, so our goal is to smooth the surface. When we top off all of the par 3's and fill practice tee divots we use some seed, but I am not convinced that too much of that seed survives. I also love the fact that we don't have germinated seed in our divot boxes since we eliminated seed from the mix that the membership uses.



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