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Killing Common Bermuda

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  1. Ricky Heine
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    7/18/2012 2:07 PM
    We are in the planning process to renovate some of our TifSport tees with plans to use a Zoysia sod.
    The methyl bromide option just isn't going to work due to the fact that we are just doing very small areas one by one and the cost of the bromide.

    Looking for suggestions to get the best kill of the old bermuda , with some common, prior to the resodding.

    As always we would like to find the fastest method that will kill all the bermuda rhizomes.

    Ricky Heine
    Texas



  2. Andy Jorgensen
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    7/18/2012 5:07 PM
    Even with the best methods available, the best kill you are going to receive is 96% without fumigation. Check out the link for more info:

    http://www.pikecreekturf.com/renovation.html

    That being said, we are in the process of performing a "no-till" regrass on our driving range tee to see what new varieties we can switch to in the future. Our process consisted of:

    Day 1:Spray the surface with Glyphosate @ 2oz/gal along with Fusilade II at 32oz/ac and an ammonium sulfate spreader sticker.

    Day 6: Apply ammonium sulfate at 1#N/m.

    Day 15: Spray the surface with Glyphosate @ 2oz/gal along with Fusilade II at 32oz/ac and an ammonium sulfate spreader sticker.

    Day 21: Apply ammonium sulfate at 1#N/m.

    Day 29: spray the surface with Glyphosate @ 2oz/gal along with Fusilade II at 32oz/ac and an ammonium sulfate spreader sticker.

    Day 37: Sprig with new turf. (In our case, we also aerified and verticut aggressively prior to sprigging).

    The AmSulf was to encourage regrowth in between sprays. We also maintained our normal irrigation scheduling the entire time to encourage optimum regrowth of the Bermuda. We hand sprayed with a gun since it was a small area and we wanted good coverage and a high enough pressure to penetrate the canopy and still found areas that didn't quite die from the first app. The second app I would say got almost all of it as we didn't see any green the day before the third app. The third app was for good measure.

    It's the not the fastest method. If fast and complete control is what you want, I'd excavate 48" and fill with sterile soil. That's the only way you can ensure 100% removal of the existing turf.



  3. James Schmid
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    7/18/2012 10:07 PM
    Ricky Heine, CGCS said: We are in the planning process to renovate some of our TifSport tees with plans to use a Zoysia sod.
    The methyl bromide option just isn't going to work due to the fact that we are just doing very small areas one by one and the cost of the bromide.

    Looking for suggestions to get the best kill of the old bermuda , with some common, prior to the resodding.

    As always we would like to find the fastest method that will kill all the bermuda rhizomes.

    Ricky Heine
    Texas


    The tifsport will die on its own. Its a terrible grass. Since you are putting in zoysia you can kill any bermudagrass that comes back after sodding with fusilade and/or turflon over top of the zoysia at low rates with repeated apps



  4. Andy Jorgensen
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    7/19/2012 5:07 PM


    The tifsport will die on its own. Its a terrible grass.


    I love my TifSport. Looks outrageous right now, and the only issues we've had in the past is when we overseed. I'd take TifSport over anything else, IMHO.



  5. Sam Welch
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    7/20/2012 10:07 AM
    Sprayed out a bermuda course in Atlanta with 5 qt/A Glyphosate and if I remember right 5 oz/A Fusilade in 2003 two apps 4 weeks apart in September/October before a complete renovation which changed all short cut areas to Zeon zoysia and the rest bermuda. Everything was then tilled with a Rota-dairon about 6-8" deep, and the entire course was reshaped so a good bit of dirt was moved around. So not exactly your scenario but it worked well, I believe they haven't had much breakthrough since.

    Is Basamid an option?

    What zoysia are you planning on? I've been happy with both Zeon and Zorro, I think Zeon grows faster/more aggressively.



  6. Ricky Heine
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    8/7/2012 3:08 PM
    Thanks for the replies and sorry it has been so long. Yes, we did the job and used Basamid, my first time with it, and covered it with plastic for 4 days.

    Great to hear about the Fusilade/Turflon option if we have breakthroughs. The Zeon zoysia sod was so solid that we wondered if any bermuda could break thru that surface or not anyway??

    This first tee is a test and if it goes well we could do more next summer.

    Also plan to watch the edges to see if the Tifsport/common will creep into the Zoysia or not.

    Thanks again.

    Ricky Heine
    Texas



  7. Baker Daniel
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    8/8/2012 3:08 PM
    Sam Welch said: Sprayed out a bermuda course in Atlanta with 5 qt/A Glyphosate and if I remember right 5 oz/A Fusilade in 2003 two apps 4 weeks apart in September/October before a complete renovation which changed all short cut areas to Zeon zoysia and the rest bermuda. Everything was then tilled with a Rota-dairon about 6-8" deep, and the entire course was reshaped so a good bit of dirt was moved around. So not exactly your scenario but it worked well, I believe they haven't had much breakthrough since.

    Is Basamid an option?

    What zoysia are you planning on? I've been happy with both Zeon and Zorro, I think Zeon grows faster/more aggressively.



    Zeon and Zorro are so close geneticaly that there was almost a patent suit over it. I've worked with both and see very very little difference.

    Good luck with the reno RIcky. Keep you mower sharp or your new tee will let you know real fast.



  8. Andy Jorgensen
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    8/8/2012 3:08 PM
    Daniel Baker said:




    Good luck with the reno RIcky. Keep you mower sharp or your new tee will let you know real fast.



  9. Sam Welch
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    8/8/2012 3:08 PM
    Ricky Heine, CGCS said: Thanks for the replies and sorry it has been so long. Yes, we did the job and used Basamid, my first time with it, and covered it with plastic for 4 days.

    Great to hear about the Fusilade/Turflon option if we have breakthroughs. The Zeon zoysia sod was so solid that we wondered if any bermuda could break thru that surface or not anyway??

    This first tee is a test and if it goes well we could do more next summer.

    Also plan to watch the edges to see if the Tifsport/common will creep into the Zoysia or not.

    Thanks again.

    Ricky Heine
    Texas


    When I've been back to visit the Zeon course I helped build it's the opposite on encroachment for the most part...there's zoysia all in the bermuda, 2' out in spots.



  10. James Smith
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    8/11/2012 6:08 AM
    Not to hyjack this thread but I have Zoysia in sections of one of my bermuda fairways that I would like to kill out. What can I use to do this with.



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