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  1. Tim Campbell
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    2/13/2014 10:02 PM
    We irrigate with brackish water from the Floridian aquifer that is pumped from an artesian well into a lake that feeds our wet well and are considering converting our pumps to stainless steel because of corrosion issues. I am writing a report for the director of my department about our issues and I am trying to see if there is anyone else out there with similar issues and what have they done to solve them. So I am looking for feed back on the following 3 questions or experiences others have had with similar situations.

    1. What is the typical life expectancy of vertical irrigation pumps in Florida or climates where you irrigate year round, and your water source is fresh water. How long typically do they last before they have to be rebuilt/repaired or replaced.

    2. Anyone irrigate with brackish water and if so what material are your pumps made of, are the epoxy coated? Have you had to have them rebuilt? and what is the time period between rebuilds?

    3. Any one have stainless steel vertical pumps and if so, how long have you hand them and what is the expected life expectancy?



  2. Steven Huffstutler
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    2/14/2014 6:02 AM
    Call Tim Heirs at Old Collier in Naples. He has a brackish well, I'm pretty sure.

    Steve



  3. Andy Jorgensen
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    2/14/2014 7:02 AM
    Hey Fred,

    A few questions:

    What exactly is corroding on the pumps? Is it the pump itself(should already be stainless or brass) or is it the column pipe, the discharge pipe, etc.... In theory, nothing below the static level(the pump itself) should rot since there is no air.

    What is the degree of corrosion? Is it rotting off a few years after install, or just seeing surface rust?

    There are a lot of variables when comparing pumps. Poor install of the well casing for instance could cause the pump to bind putting pressure on the shafts, spiders, etc.... depth of pump to water source and also will vary the length of service of these components(i.e. a wet well pump lasts longer than one sitting 180' deep into the aquifer). Even pump manufacturer methods and materials can shorten the life of the pump.

    We have roughly two dozen deep wells here on property and another two dozen or so smaller wells on our cattle ranch. Of the six I have on the golf course, I had constant problems with one of them, then realized the well itself was crooked causing premature failure. A new well was installed and all has been good since. All of our components, except the pump turbines, are steel. Our wells are drilled anywhere from 180' to 280' with static levels around 40' in all of them. Drawdown is only about 6". Yes, we have corrosion on the inside of the pipe and well head and we have pretty clean water. Probably nothing compared to what you are dealing with.

    At my old course, we pulled a well that had not been pulled since install some 30 years prior. The reason we pulled the well was the shaft broke. The pump itself was actually in decent condition. We found quarter size holes in the column pipe that was causing us to lose about 150 GPM back down the well. This course was about three miles from the Gulf of Mexico. We never tested the water, but I always wondered if it had saltwater intrusion.



  4. Steven Huffstutler
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    2/14/2014 9:02 AM
    Andy, believe me, steel will corrode underwater in the absence of air. Galvanic corrosion will eat steel up in a heartbeat and in salty water, it's even worse.

    Regards,

    Steve



  5. Steve Nelson
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    2/14/2014 10:02 AM
    Our reclaimed is really high in chlorides and was rotting out our pump internals like nobody's business. On the recommendation of our water & sewer dept. we switched over to pumps with a naval grade steel. So far so good, but of course it was expensive and took a while to get. Don't remember off the top of my head the exact name of metal combo but will look up if you need it.



  6. Tim Campbell
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    2/14/2014 12:02 PM
    Andy some of the parts we have replaced on one or both are, line shafts, bearings, bowl shafts, check valve, head shaft assembly, 7stage pump end. Both pumps were given an expoxy coating when installed and repaired. Both pumps lost some of their capacity after around a year and slowly got worse. They were both pulled about a month a part at the end of the third year of use. When the last one was pulled it was down to about 175 gallons per minute. We are supposed to get 400 gpm from each. Salt is our biggest issue, we have the ocean on the east and the intercoastal on the west and it causes us more problems with the equipment than the grass. We just opened our new club house and restaurant the middle of January and we are already having some minor salt issues with the building. http://www.golfontheocean.com

    Gus
    If you could send me the name that would be great and how long have yours been installed?

    Thanks
    Tim



  7. Steve Nelson
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    2/14/2014 1:02 PM
    Tim, sewer mechanic is out today but I'm pretty sure it's CD4MCu, a stainless alloy specifically for marine and brackish environments. Pumps are 2 Peerless and 1 Durco, have had trouble with the automatic oiler on the Durco. Been in about a year and a half now and still testing great.



  8. Steven Huffstutler
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    2/14/2014 7:02 PM
    We used to use K Monel. spendy.

    Steve



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