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  1. Robert Shetter
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    6/19/2011 11:06 PM
    Be careful. Saw pictures of damage on spruce and white pine 2-4 weeks after applying imprelis.Many threads online.



  2. David Brandenburg
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    6/20/2011 7:06 PM
    I have heard and seen pictures of damage but have not had any ourselves. Some of our apps are over 60 days old. Trees of various size and age. We don't douse the ground around the trees but we did spray it.

    I have seen our rough areas seem less wear tolerant this spring but that might be because it is the worst spring weather WI has every had.



  3. Peter Rappoccio_2
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    6/25/2011 6:06 AM
    Dupont has sent a letter to their distributor's with guidelines of use around certain trees. They are " looking into" the problems being reported.
    Peter



  4. Melvin Waldron
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    6/25/2011 8:06 PM
    Just heard this from our tree person with our park system.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  5. J. Scott Werner
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    6/27/2011 2:06 PM
    Used Imprelis in early may on all rough. Losing Norway Spruce everyday for the past few weeks. White Pines are dinged up but might recover? Thought when I researched the product before using that it was too good to be true! Apparently it was!!



  6. Andy Jorgensen
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    6/28/2011 4:06 PM
    From DuPont:



    June 17, 2011
    Dear Turf Management Professional,
    Some of your industry colleagues have reported observing various unfavorable symptoms on certain
    species of trees and we wanted to keep you informed.
    Our turf development team has been investigating these reports and we are trying to better understand
    the circumstances and whether the various symptoms are related to applications of DuPontâ„¢ Imprelisâ„¢
    herbicide. Our investigation is not complete and we are working to determine what variables may have
    contributed to the symptoms being observed. While this work continues we want to make you aware of
    the information we have received to date:
    ï‚· A majority of the reports involve Norway Spruce or White Pine.
    ï‚· In most cases, Imprelisâ„¢ was not applied alone, but in a mixture with other herbicides,
    either pre-emergent, post-emergent and/or with a liquid fertilizer.
    ï‚· Some reports indicate there may have been errors in use rates, mixing practices and/or
    applications to exposed roots, or the tree.
    ï‚· Most lawn care professionals and golf course superintendents have used Imprelisâ„¢ to
    successfully control weeds and have not reported unfavorable tree symptoms.
    As a precaution, until we can more fully understand the circumstances, and whether Imprelisâ„¢ may have
    contributed to the observed symptoms, do not apply Imprelisâ„¢ where Norway Spruce or White Pine are
    present on, or in close proximity to, the property to be treated.
    Additionally, when applying Imprelisâ„¢, be careful that no spray treatment, drift or runoff occurs that could
    make contact with trees, shrubs and other desirable plants, and stay well away from exposed roots and
    the root zone of trees and shrubs. Consult a certified arborist if you are uncertain about the root zone of
    specific tree species.
    In many geographies, environmental conditions over the past few years have stressed trees, particularly
    spruces. We have observed unfavorable symptoms in trees on properties that have not been treated with
    a herbicide. Good growing conditions and appropriate care to minimize stress will enable many trees
    experiencing signs of stress to recover and return to good health.
    If you have any questions please contact us by emailing proproducts.usa.dupont.com
    We appreciate your support as we continue our work.
    Sincerely,
    Michael McDermott
    Global Business Leader
    DuPont Professional Products



  7. Corp Chad B
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    7/11/2011 8:07 AM
    Just recieved this today.

    New lawn chemical chief suspect in mysterious deaths of trees
    1:36 AM, Jul. 10, 2011 |

    In neighborhoods nationwide, millions of dollars worth of Norway spruce and white pine trees are mysteriously turning brown and dying this summer, and the chief suspect is a new lawn chemical.

    State officials and lawn care professionals say they think Imprelis, an herbicide introduced last year for commercial use by DuPont, may be attacking pines and spruces as if they were weeds.

    DuPont has sent its own teams across the country to check out complaints and, for the moment, has recommended not spraying Imprelis near those types of trees. The company says the herbicide may not have been handled properly.

    Many landscapers in Michigan and elsewhere switched to Imprelis this year to control weeds such as dandelions because it was touted as safer for the environment than predecessors such as 2, 4-D.

    So many trees have died -- from the East Coast west to Iowa -- that the damage is projected to be in the millions of dollars, and now many states and the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency are investigating the possible link to Imprelis.

    Amy Frankmann, executive director for the Okemos-based Michigan Nursery & Landscape Association, said she has not seen such widespread tree damage since the emerald ash borer decimated the state's ash trees.

    "I'd say this is right up there as far as the significance and losses," Frankmann said.
    Tree damage likened to emerald ash borer infestation

    Mark Underwood says he thought he was doing the right thing, both for his family's lawn-care business and the environment, when he switched to Imprelis, a new herbicide.

    But a month after crews from his Adrian-based Underwood Nursery sprayed the DuPont weed killer on hundreds of lawns in southeast Michigan, the calls began.

    "The customers are calling: 'My trees are dying, what's up?' " Underwood said. "We've never experienced anything like this."

    In what some say could be one of the biggest disasters of its kind since the emerald ash borer killed millions of trees, white pine and Norway spruce trees are turning brown or dying all around the country. Tree damage has been reported throughout the Midwest, in East Coast states and as far south as Georgia.

    No one can say with certainty what's causing it, but many lawn-care professionals and state officials suspect Imprelis, which the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency approved last year. The chemical is supposed to kill such weeds as dandelions and clover, which absorb it through their roots and shoots.

    Tree damage, though, is so extensive that the EPA hosted a teleconference Wednesday with departments of agriculture from several states to gather information about a possible link between Imprelis and the trees.

    The Michigan Department of Agriculture and Rural Development is studying sites of damaged trees and gathering samples of wood and soil. Michigan State University Extension is monitoring the situation and also has visited sites following complaints from landscapers.

    DuPont, the chemical giant based in Wilmington, Del., began investigating the problem last month. In a June 17 letter addressed to customers, Michael McDermott, global business leader for DuPont Professional Products, said Imprelis, which is sold only to professional landscapers, may not have been mixed properly or was applied with other herbicides.

    Until more is known, he urged customers not to apply Imprelis near Norway spruce or white pine.

    Calls to the EPA's regional office in Chicago, which coordinated a conference call on the tree damage with officials in several states, were referred to the Washington, D.C., office. An agency spokesman said he would get back to the Free Press but did not.

    Although the problem is only months old, landscapers could be in trouble if their insurance companies don't pay and they are on the hook for replacing trees.

    "I'm getting calls almost daily from landscapers or the landscapers' insurers," said Bert Cregg, an associate professor in MSU's Departments of Horticulture and Forestry. They ask, 'Who's liable here?' and those kinds of questions. It's really a big mess."

    Kate Childress, spokeswoman for DuPont, declined to say how many complaints the company had received.

    "We're taking this seriously," she said. "We're very committed to understanding the circumstances and what caused the unfavorable symptoms" in the trees.

    Is Imprelis damaging trees? "I'm not in a position to say yes or no," Childress said.

    "We do recommend everyone keep records and document everything," she said.

    She said Imprelis underwent 400 tests conducted at various universities as to its effectiveness, toxicity and other factors.

    "Imprelis has a very favorable environmental profile," Childress said, "which is why we do remain excited about the product."

    David Gardner, an associate professor in the Department of Horticulture and Crop Science at Ohio State University, said he has been testing Imprelis on weeds. Since 2006, he has done 32 field studies including varying formulations of the herbicide.

    "Millions of dollars worth of research goes into getting these products registered," Gardner said.

    He said DuPont is very concerned about the complaints. "I know they're spending day and night trying to figure out what's going on."
    Investigators puzzled

    Brian Rowe, pesticide section manager for the Michigan agriculture department, said his office is investigating about four complaints of browning or dying trees.

    The state doesn't have the resources to check every property involved, though. Rowe said that in one case, a landscaper contacted his office saying that he had more than 600 customers and 160 of them had damage.

    State investigators check to see whether landscapers followed proper directions and ask for copies of records of applications of Imprelis. The state also is in early discussions with DuPont, Rowe said.

    "It's not very common we see something like this on this large a scale," he said.

    Officials are puzzled.

    Some landscapers appear to be following directions and spraying Imprelis away from the trees, but they still have browning, Rowe said.

    In some cases, some white pines and spruces turn brown while others of the same species don't, despite being in the same yard.

    In the Brookview Highlands subdivision in Pittsfield Township, at least 100 trees look diseased or dead. Many of those homeowners had contracted with Underwood.

    Teddy Peace, who lives on Windmill Way, said eight of the 50 trees on his property have damage. "It just kind of hurts because the trees are old and beautiful, and you hate to see them die," Peace said.

    He expects Underwood to make good on a promise to replace the trees or suffer consequences.

    "We're ready to take further action," Peace said. "We hope we won't have to do that."

    Down the street, Kristen Huber saw a change in her evergreens.

    "At first, everything had this huge flush of new growth, and two weeks later, it was all dying," Huber said.

    Curtis Magleby, who lives on Highridge Circle, said he has three dead and five damaged trees. He first thought it was a disease, pine wilt, but then learned of neighbors' problems after Underwood applications.

    "There's no reason a 20-foot spruce should be taken down over one application on dandelions," Magleby said.

    Diane Andrews, executive director of the Michigan Green Industry Association, said the problem showed up in Michigan later than in some other states because of the late spring and heavy rains.

    Andrews said it could have been a lot worse. She knows that many contractors passed on Imprelis because it was too costly.

    Steve Martinko, owner of White Lake Township-based Contenders Tree & Lawn Specialists, said he used Imprelis -- spending $1,100 a gallon -- but stopped after two trees were damaged.

    "I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I knew we were still using it," Martinko said.

    Carl Wilk
    Senior Portfolio Manager and Partner
    NorthPointe Capital



  8. Robert Shetter
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    7/12/2011 11:07 AM
    Last week I saw a commercial property that I know was treated with imprelis and the honey locust look as though it was the end of fall. All the canopies have turn bright yellow in July. Do not know if any other chemicals were mixed with it or not. Do not know if the trees will survive either.



  9. Stein William R
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    7/12/2011 7:07 PM
    Symptoms are hard to see unless you educate yourself. Our rep asked and asked if we saw anything, and I said no. He insisted on coming out to look. Sure enough, 84 trees damaged. Don't take it for granted, feeder roots from 20' outside dripline took the product in and caused damage. This stuff is brutal on trees.



  10. Curt Brisco
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    7/13/2011 12:07 PM
    If the symptoms are hard to see, you are very lucky. We have trees ranging from slightly dinged to trees that have turned Orange and are dead. The curling new growth is a can't miss sign. I will say that the amount of damage really varies from tree to tree.


    Curt Brisco Supt.
    Fox Prairie G.C.
    Noblesville,IN



  11. Kevin Henriksen
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    7/28/2011 12:07 PM
    I sprayed wall to wall with Imprelis, not a weed on the golf course, including clover and ground ivy, luckily am seeing damage on about 20 of our 200+ Norway spruces. Could have been an absolute disaster and still might be, depending on how many of the slightly damaged recover. It takes so long for it to run its course(45 day half life), we just don't know. Also have a couple willows losing leaves and discolored, along with a couple oaks. Apparently this product was too good to be true, hard to imagine anything at 4 oz. / acre can kill mature trees. I am located on the Wisconsin / U.P. border.



  12. Melvin Waldron
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    7/28/2011 4:07 PM
    I heard from some of the Lawn Care Operators at the U of MO field day that they are hurting, they have to have lawyers for their insurance company, the insurance company has lawyers depending on what DuPont does. I heard Scott's had invested a lot into it for a mix for their home owner weed and feed products. Glad that didn't hit the market. One lawn care operator said the next time a new product comes out they might try it on one route only.

    Mel

    Melvin H. Waldron III, CGCS, Horton Smith Golf Course, City of Springfield/Greene County MO

  13. Chase Walden
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    11/29/2011 11:11 AM
    I am currently awaiting a claim resolution agreement from Dupont for Imprelis damage. Has anyone received this and if so are you satisfied with the resolution?



  14. David Brandenburg
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    11/29/2011 7:11 PM
    I think everyone is in a holding pattern just like you. I understand it takes some time to compile but those of us with site visits in September should have heard something by now. Even a hey, we have your information and are working on it.



  15. Dustin Riley
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    11/30/2011 8:11 AM
    I too am awaiting the "Resolution Letter". I called Dupont and they said "soon". She wouldn't commit, but it sounded like it is reasonable to expect the resolution letter prior to the end of the year. I've been through 2 site visits. I received a letter on Monday from the Claims Resolution Processing Office and got excited..Nothing more than a letter that stated they are reviewing our claim.



  16. Green Robert B
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    11/30/2011 9:11 AM
    I have not heard anymore since the site visit. Keeping expectations very low on this one but have not joined any group of litigants.



  17. Kevin Henriksen
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    11/30/2011 10:11 AM
    I received mine in the mail yesterday. On the surface, it seems quite generous (though I am not going through what a lot of you guys are), still digging them for a little more information on some vague details. We have 2 dead trees and 26 slightly to moderately damaged, with a total compensation package around $30,000, not including their removal of the dead ones. Most of the compensation is for replacement of the dead ones(16K for 2 mature norway spruces), and a tree care program for the remaining 26 trees, which if not instituted, they will not be obliged to remove and/or replace in the future. Additional compensation 15% of total claim value. Of course you have to sign away the prospect of any litigation in the future. Their all garbage trees that I don't want anyways, so maybe I'll get the greens mower I need. Doubtful.

    Kevin Henriksen
    Upper Michigan



  18. Dustin Riley
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    11/30/2011 3:11 PM
    Kevin,
    What were the ratings for your slightly to moderately injured trees? Is the compensation broken out as a per ft price or do they lump sum it. Did all injured trees (Rated 1-5) have a $$ amount value within the package? how long does your facility have to accept the offering?

    Rumors indicated Dupont offering $$ on a per foot basis.I have 109 trees showing injury. 63 of which are rated 3s and 4s, no 5s. Considering only the 3s/4s, I have 3200 vertical height of impacted trees.



  19. Kevin Henriksen
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    12/1/2011 8:12 AM
    All my injured trees were rated 1 or 2, the 2 trees rated 3 (which don't have a single needle left) are the ones slated for removal. I question the rating system, because there are a couple that look a lot worse than 1 or 2. The damaged trees are broken down individually based on the extent of the care program they recommend, but averages about $365 per tree(all trees are 45-55 ft.). I believe they are waiting to see how they recover before getting into the much more costly removal and replacement, and telling you to deep root feed and contact insect spray. I couldn't believe $8000 per tree removed, I have well over 200 norway spruces out here and I thought I'd dodged a bullet, but would love to see about 100 of them gone, especially at that price. It was a classic 60's move planting them too close together.



  20. Kevin Henriksen
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    12/1/2011 8:12 AM
    30 days to respond. Ours is currently being reviewed by the owner and a lawyer.



  21. Dustin Riley
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    12/1/2011 12:12 PM
    Thanks Kevin for sharing. Hopefully our resolution letter and compensation package will be arriving soon.

    Question: Any left over product could have been returned to Dupont for a full product refund. I used all of my product. Did your compensation package include any re-imbursement for the amount paid for Imprelis?

    Dustin



  22. Dustin Riley
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    12/1/2011 2:12 PM
    Has anyone else recieved their resolution letter? Are the compensation values consistent with Kevin's?

    Dustin



  23. Matthew Neff
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    12/3/2011 10:12 PM
    khenriksen said: All my injured trees were rated 1 or 2, the 2 trees rated 3 (which don't have a single needle left) are the ones slated for removal. I question the rating system, because there are a couple that look a lot worse than 1 or 2.


    Did you (or anyone else that has had more than one site visit) think that rating system was a little strange? I'm not really referring to the actual ratings given to each damaged tree. I'm referring to the apparent change in the system between the first visit and the second visit. On the first visit they used 1-4 rating system with 4 being the worst but on the second visit they used a 1-5 system. Is that the same system they used for you? It sounds like your worst trees were only given a 3.

    We have a couple of spruces that are completely smoked - dead...never coming back - that were only rated a 4 even on the second visit because according to the arborist there was still green wood in the branches. Furthermore, we had to tag any tree rated a 3 or worse because we were told there was supposed to be a third visit that has never happened. Even the people they sent out didn't seem very clear on what they were supposed to be doing. The people they sent for the second visit (which were different from the original team) actually called HQ 2 or 3 times - which made an already excruciating waste of an afternoon even worse - for clarification on several points. Completely agree with you though on the questioning of the accuracy of some of the ratings.



  24. Curt Brisco
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    12/4/2011 4:12 PM
    My course was visited twice. They rerated the trees and tagged the ones that were dead or had gotten worse since the first visit. I don't know if they changed the rating system on the second visit or not,

    Curt Brisco Supt.
    Fox Prairie Golf Club
    Noblesville,IN



  25. James Hesselbrock
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    12/5/2011 6:12 AM
    My second rating was pretty much the same as the first. They rated 2 or 3 trees as worse than the first rating and tagged a few that are dead or close to it.



  26. Kevin Henriksen
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    12/5/2011 8:12 AM
    I only had 1 site visit, with a 1-5 rating system. There were a couple that were rated 2 that I thought are a lot worse, but I don't blame them for waiting to see if they will recover satisfactory. Maybe they will reneedle? The 2 they rated 3 I don't see how they were anything but a 5, but they do have them slated for removal.



  27. Chase Walden
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    12/5/2011 2:12 PM
    Thank you to everyone for the updates. We have already removed 15 mature Norways and have another 24 marked by Dupont that I assume are scheduled for removal. We are still awaiting our resolution letter.



  28. Zachary Wike
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    12/13/2011 12:12 PM
    We also had 2 visits. The first visit they rated all damaged trees on a 1-4 scale. During the second visit they reviewed all of the trees and marked the trees with damage of 3 or 4. We were told that trees with a rating of 5 were dead from something other than Imprelis. I think this must be why no one is receiving a rating of 5.

    Also, is Dupont providing tree removal on top of the compensation? If so, can you choose to remove them yourself and receive extra compensation?



  29. Cummings John C
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    12/13/2011 5:12 PM
    I inherited some at my new course. Is any product being recalled? Do distributors pick up unused product? I have around 3 gallons.



  30. Robert Steger
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    12/18/2011 3:12 PM
    We had an outside company come in and quote removal and replacement, for a total of $223,000. 76 trees affected, DuPont has been out to the site twice, haven't heard a word since. I am going to call them tomorrow, now that I hear that one golf course in Michigan has received an offer. I was really hoping to be able to remove these trees in house over the winter, but it seems DuPont is dragging their feet.



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