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Icing/Freezing Bermuda Greens for Protection

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  1. Patrick Reinhardt
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    1/2/2014 6:01 PM
    Does anyone have experience with icing/freezing greens to protect them from cold temperatures, similar to what they do to citrus trees? They are forecasting lows of 21-22, with highs in mid-30s next week. Being close to the coast, this is a rare event and we do not have covers for our TifEagle greens. I have heard of it done, but have never seen anyone actually do it.



  2. Stephen Johnson
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    1/2/2014 7:01 PM
    I haven't done that practice either, but it would make since to have your greens at field capacity, as it would take more energy to freeze that volume of water. If you still think you need surface protection you could use wheat straw or even pine straw to cover your greens.



  3. Christopher Boldreghini
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    1/2/2014 10:01 PM
    I would not be concerned with those temps. I would leave my mini verde uncovered in SE Missouri with temps in the 20's and 30's. You should be ok as long as the temps get back to normal after a few days.

    Charlie B.
    SE Missouri



  4. Kevin Girt
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    1/3/2014 6:01 AM
    I had to do it a couple of times while in Tennessee. Wind wouldn't lie down enough to get the covers pulled. What you want to remember is you DO NOT WANT TO OVER WATER THE SOIL!!!!!! What I did was to wait till the air temp dropped to 25 then ran a 5 min cycle, these were part circle heads so make adjustments for what you're running. But any how, ran them for 5 minutes, then an hour later ran them again for 5 minutes. Air temp at that time was 22. I followed that with one more 5 minute run an hour after that. Air temp had dropped all the way down to 12. The next morning I would have 19 of the most beautiful skating rinks. That next spring at green up there was no evidence of any winter stress or dead spot. This was on Champion Bermuda.
    Good Luck



  5. Heath Puckett
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    1/3/2014 10:01 AM
    This may be helpful:
    http://www.usga.org/course_care/regiona ... uary-2009/

    We are covered here and still concerned about next week's forecast...Good luck!



  6. Sam Welch
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    1/4/2014 9:01 AM
    I took McCarty and Martin's class on UD greens mgmt at the show in Vegas and McCarty said icing is worse than no covers at all. I'm looking through the book now, he talked about in citrus that they have micro sprinklers constantly putting water on them and that it uses "latent heat of fusion". He also said that if you have a cold air mass moving in with lots of wind icing provides little protection. He showed some pretty nasty pictures of winter kill from intentional icing.

    Then last year I attended the USGA Winter Mgmt seminar in San Diego, and they showed an example of a course in MS successfully icing greens on multiple occasions. That super ran 4 cycles of 5 mins at 10:30, 12:30, 2:30, and 4:30 AM.

    So now that you're thoroughly confused... Sounds to me from what Kevin experienced coupled with the USGA recommendation you need multiple light cycles to do it right.

    All of us up here in Atlanta are covered and using straw under the covers in some spots, we're supposed to hit single digits Monday night/Tuesday AM!



  7. Patrick Reinhardt
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    1/4/2014 1:01 PM
    Thanks Sam. That didn't help! ;-) They have 15 for us, and a high of 33. That's after 60% rain on Monday. Everything I have read has stressed is the multiple light cycles, starting when temps get below 25 degrees. We don't have covers, since we hardly ever see temps like this.



  8. Andy Jorgensen
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    1/4/2014 6:01 PM
    Question for you guys putting straw Down under the covers, would you get similar results if you strawed on top of the covers with easier cleanup?



  9. Patrick Reinhardt
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    1/4/2014 7:01 PM
    Andy,
    My though would be the straw would keep the tarp elevated, which would provide a larger air pocket to insulate the turf.



  10. Darryl Glinski
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    1/5/2014 9:01 AM
    Patrick, I am woefully ignorant of the practice of covering bermudagrass greens with ice...it makes me nervous thinking about it. In the citrus industry they have success with 'ice covers', but they make near constant applications of water. I think it works for them, because they are almost always forming an ice layer. The formation of ice is an exothermic reaction; meaning, it gives off a small degree of heat. This is the opposite of water evaporating, which absorbs heat and cools the surrounding air (endothermic). In the citrus industry, I think the practice can modify surface temperature one to two degrees and has a relatively short benefit (a couple of days). In this regard, it seems unreasonable to incorporate the practice from the citrus industry into to golf industry--our 'fruit' is not hanging in the air and we can not make near constant applications of water. Thus, the question remains, "Does an existing layer of ice on a bermudagrass green protect or insulate the plant?"...again, I am woefully ignorant. Good luck...sometimes we need it, Darryl



  11. Kevin Girt
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    1/6/2014 7:01 AM
    I'm not trying to add to any confusion there may be on icing the greens, but the way Morris Brown explained it to me is that the thatch layer really needs to be free of any excess water for this to work. That's the reason for waiting till the air temp is 25 and the 3 to 4 short cycles. You only want the ice on the surface and not in the thatch layer. Morris claims that if the crowns are saturated when they freeze they can rupture and die thus causing severe winter injury. Straw under the covers is a great idea when weather and personnel can do it. I've had the soil freeze under the covers before, especially in shaded areas of the green. As far as icing them over, all I can say is it worked for me. I may have been extremely lucky but everyone saw Saturday against the Chiefs what a little Luck Can do.
    Best of luck to all dealing with this. Winters are supposed to be our easy time.



  12. Smith Kerry L
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    1/6/2014 8:01 AM
    It's the length of time below freezing that hurts you. Unless they are off on your forecast and it gets colder or sits in longer you should be fine as long as your profile is moist. Less air, more water to help keep soil temps up. Around here if you dont have covers just water them prior to the event and ride it out. It will be your shaded areas that get dinged if anything. You might consider buying some rolled plastic at home depot in the paint department to cover any super shaded areas if you are that worried. I think it comes in 100'x20' rolls. JMO.



  13. Holt Michael
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    1/7/2014 3:01 PM
    I've learned it's mother nature and if you try to fight her she becomes that much more of a beast. I just do my normal routines and never had a problem with winter kill, etc. Icing sounds really good but I've been told by some of the best soil scientist that it is a bad idea. End up with a sloppy mess when it melts. I've always heard that you can protect the fruit like that but not the actual tissue.



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